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  Quizzical

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12/22/11 10:43:39 AM#21
Originally posted by xS0u1zx

Of course, but PSU issues are not isolated to an issue with one game.   As he stated he plays other MMOs and games on his computer without any issue at all.   This is isolated, and PSU issues are never isolated to software problems.   Of course that PSU should be replaced at his earliest convinience but it probably will not fix his issue.

It's not hard to understand how a power supply could only have the voltage regulation or ripple get out of hand when you pull a lot of wattage from it.  Even the really awful power supplies usually manage to run everything in spec at 1/4 load.  It's only when you pull a lot of wattage from them that things go horribly awry.

Maybe SWTOR simply pulls more wattage from his power supply than any other game he's played.

  xS0u1zx

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12/22/11 11:02:20 AM#22
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by xS0u1zx

Of course, but PSU issues are not isolated to an issue with one game.   As he stated he plays other MMOs and games on his computer without any issue at all.   This is isolated, and PSU issues are never isolated to software problems.   Of course that PSU should be replaced at his earliest convinience but it probably will not fix his issue.

It's not hard to understand how a power supply could only have the voltage regulation or ripple get out of hand when you pull a lot of wattage from it.  Even the really awful power supplies usually manage to run everything in spec at 1/4 load.  It's only when you pull a lot of wattage from them that things go horribly awry.

Maybe SWTOR simply pulls more wattage from his power supply than any other game he's played.

I highly doubt that, as most graphics cards hardly utilize more then 200W with a state of the art card and I am quite certain that playing his other MMO's on max settings won't be much different then playing SWTOR.   Star wars graphics requirements aren't that high to begin with, I honestly believe this is merely a driver issue.   As another poster has stated, he should try running intensive benchmarks such as futuremark and see if he experiences the same problem.

  Quizzical

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12/22/11 11:18:55 AM#23
Originally posted by xS0u1zx
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by xS0u1zx

Of course, but PSU issues are not isolated to an issue with one game.   As he stated he plays other MMOs and games on his computer without any issue at all.   This is isolated, and PSU issues are never isolated to software problems.   Of course that PSU should be replaced at his earliest convinience but it probably will not fix his issue.

It's not hard to understand how a power supply could only have the voltage regulation or ripple get out of hand when you pull a lot of wattage from it.  Even the really awful power supplies usually manage to run everything in spec at 1/4 load.  It's only when you pull a lot of wattage from them that things go horribly awry.

Maybe SWTOR simply pulls more wattage from his power supply than any other game he's played.

I highly doubt that, as most graphics cards hardly utilize more then 200W with a state of the art card and I am quite certain that playing his other MMO's on max settings won't be much different then playing SWTOR.   Star wars graphics requirements aren't that high to begin with, I honestly believe this is merely a driver issue.   As another poster has stated, he should try running intensive benchmarks such as futuremark and see if he experiences the same problem.

If everything puts exactly the same load on all hardware, then why do stress test programs exist?  Since, as you say, they can't possibly use any more power than a typical game.  Why have Intel and AMD put power-monitoring features into their hardware, to keep track of how much power programs are actually using and adjust clock speeds accordingly, if it never varies from one program to another?  And could you please explain the concept of a power virus?

  Portiz

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12/22/11 11:27:20 AM#24

The issue sounds like your grafiks card is overheating. What you want to do, is go to google.com and type in "evga precision". This porgram allows you to adjust the fan speed on your gcard . Also it shows the exact temperature of your Gcard. If the temperature is above 75-80 you have found your problem. I set my fan to around 70-80% depending how hot it is.

Make sure though it is still set on auto.

  xS0u1zx

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12/22/11 11:31:42 AM#25
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by xS0u1zx
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by xS0u1zx
*snip*

If everything puts exactly the same load on all hardware, then why do stress test programs exist?  Since, as you say, they can't possibly use any more power than a typical game.  Why have Intel and AMD put power-monitoring features into their hardware, to keep track of how much power programs are actually using and adjust clock speeds accordingly, if it never varies from one program to another?  And could you please explain the concept of a power virus?

Intel and AMD don't make GPU's for one...   For two, you obviously didn't read my original post about the many factors to a computer overheating.   The issue was overheating...

Yes a processor will throttle the amount of speed it uses based on the load it has, but it's voltage and the card's max wattage usage is quite static unless it has an architecture that enables voltage and wattage throttling to save power.  Ex. Sandy Bridge.

When you are running a video game, regardless of how intense the GPU itself will always be running at it's max clock speed which will pull the full amount of wattage from the PSU.  Now that's not saying that the processor itself will be running at 100% but it's clock speeds will be as a GPU will only clock down itself if it is not being used.  Remember a system will allocate as much resources as possible to any software that is running.   Now it's not uncommon for new games to cause overheating issues on a card, as wow had at one point been unplayable by people with a defective driver Nvidia released long ago.  Playing wow would almost fry your graphic card, because of that driver alone.

I really do not wish to constantly have a stupid debate, but what I do want is the OP to try finding the specific problem by running benchmarks and figuring out what is causing the issues or bring it into a certified professional to do it for them.

  DeathTouch

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12/22/11 11:44:01 AM#26
Originally posted by xS0u1zx
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by xS0u1zx
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by xS0u1zx
*snip*

If everything puts exactly the same load on all hardware, then why do stress test programs exist?  Since, as you say, they can't possibly use any more power than a typical game.  Why have Intel and AMD put power-monitoring features into their hardware, to keep track of how much power programs are actually using and adjust clock speeds accordingly, if it never varies from one program to another?  And could you please explain the concept of a power virus?

Intel and AMD don't make GPU's for one...   For two, you obviously didn't read my original post about the many factors to a computer overheating.   The issue was overheating...

Yes a processor will throttle the amount of speed it uses based on the load it has, but it's voltage and the card's max wattage usage is quite static unless it has an architecture that enables voltage and wattage throttling to save power.  Ex. Sandy Bridge.

When you are running a video game, regardless of how intense the GPU itself will always be running at it's max clock speed which will pull the full amount of wattage from the PSU.  Now that's not saying that the processor itself will be running at 100% but it's clock speeds will be as a GPU will only clock down itself if it is not being used.  Remember a system will allocate as much resources as possible to any software that is running.   Now it's not uncommon for new games to cause overheating issues on a card, as wow had at one point been unplayable by people with a defective driver Nvidia released long ago.  Playing wow would almost fry your graphic card, because of that driver alone.

I really do not wish to constantly have a stupid debate, but what I do want is the OP to try finding the specific problem by running benchmarks and figuring out what is causing the issues or bring it into a certified professional to do it for them.

UM, BOTH Intel and AMD make video cards. Intel is mostly integrated but they do make video cards. AMD is the maker of Radeon cards... the second most used card on the planet...

  xS0u1zx

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12/22/11 11:45:50 AM#27
Originally posted by DeathTouch
Originally posted by xS0u1zx
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by xS0u1zx
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by xS0u1zx
*snip*

If everything puts exactly the same load on all hardware, then why do stress test programs exist?  Since, as you say, they can't possibly use any more power than a typical game.  Why have Intel and AMD put power-monitoring features into their hardware, to keep track of how much power programs are actually using and adjust clock speeds accordingly, if it never varies from one program to another?  And could you please explain the concept of a power virus?

Intel and AMD don't make GPU's for one...   For two, you obviously didn't read my original post about the many factors to a computer overheating.   The issue was overheating...

Yes a processor will throttle the amount of speed it uses based on the load it has, but it's voltage and the card's max wattage usage is quite static unless it has an architecture that enables voltage and wattage throttling to save power.  Ex. Sandy Bridge.

When you are running a video game, regardless of how intense the GPU itself will always be running at it's max clock speed which will pull the full amount of wattage from the PSU.  Now that's not saying that the processor itself will be running at 100% but it's clock speeds will be as a GPU will only clock down itself if it is not being used.  Remember a system will allocate as much resources as possible to any software that is running.   Now it's not uncommon for new games to cause overheating issues on a card, as wow had at one point been unplayable by people with a defective driver Nvidia released long ago.  Playing wow would almost fry your graphic card, because of that driver alone.

I really do not wish to constantly have a stupid debate, but what I do want is the OP to try finding the specific problem by running benchmarks and figuring out what is causing the issues or bring it into a certified professional to do it for them.

UM, BOTH Intel and AMD make video cards. Intel is mostly integrated but they do make video cards. AMD is the make of Radeon cards... the second most used card on the planet...

Correction.   Intel embeds it's graphics architecture within the processor itself and does not in fact make cards.  Secondly ATI makes Radeon graphics cards, AMD owns ATI but ATI is a completely seperate company.  Please go educate yourself, thanks.

  DeathTouch

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12/22/11 11:46:36 AM#28

Just some random Facts about GPU power usage and why you need a GOOD PSU to play games.

http://www.geeks3d.com/20100226/the-real-power-consumption-of-73-graphics-cards/

  DeathTouch

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12/22/11 11:49:28 AM#29
Originally posted by xS0u1zx
Originally posted by DeathTouch
Originally posted by xS0u1zx
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by xS0u1zx
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by xS0u1zx
*snip*

If everything puts exactly the same load on all hardware, then why do stress test programs exist?  Since, as you say, they can't possibly use any more power than a typical game.  Why have Intel and AMD put power-monitoring features into their hardware, to keep track of how much power programs are actually using and adjust clock speeds accordingly, if it never varies from one program to another?  And could you please explain the concept of a power virus?

Intel and AMD don't make GPU's for one...   For two, you obviously didn't read my original post about the many factors to a computer overheating.   The issue was overheating...

Yes a processor will throttle the amount of speed it uses based on the load it has, but it's voltage and the card's max wattage usage is quite static unless it has an architecture that enables voltage and wattage throttling to save power.  Ex. Sandy Bridge.

When you are running a video game, regardless of how intense the GPU itself will always be running at it's max clock speed which will pull the full amount of wattage from the PSU.  Now that's not saying that the processor itself will be running at 100% but it's clock speeds will be as a GPU will only clock down itself if it is not being used.  Remember a system will allocate as much resources as possible to any software that is running.   Now it's not uncommon for new games to cause overheating issues on a card, as wow had at one point been unplayable by people with a defective driver Nvidia released long ago.  Playing wow would almost fry your graphic card, because of that driver alone.

I really do not wish to constantly have a stupid debate, but what I do want is the OP to try finding the specific problem by running benchmarks and figuring out what is causing the issues or bring it into a certified professional to do it for them.

UM, BOTH Intel and AMD make video cards. Intel is mostly integrated but they do make video cards. AMD is the make of Radeon cards... the second most used card on the planet...

Correction.   Intel embeds it's graphics architecture within the processor itself and does not in fact make cards.  Secondly ATI makes Radeon graphics cards, AMD owns ATI but ATI is a completely seperate company.  Please go educate yourself, thanks.

Suggest you correct yourself on AMD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Micro_Devices

 

i know Intel made a card.. took me a minute to find it. 

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&cp=13&gs_id=1d&xhr=t&q=intel+video+card&tok=SObFgKZsci-fjrWej5zp7Q&safe=off&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&biw=1280&bih=677&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=2894208323061772823&sa=X&ei=HG7zTrKvNYLf0QGD_sXRAg&sqi=2&ved=0CHwQ8wIwBQ

they were working with nvideo to make other video cards but that fell through some time ago.

  xS0u1zx

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12/22/11 11:51:49 AM#30
Originally posted by DeathTouch

Just some random Facts about GPU power usage and why you need a GOOD PSU to play games.

http://www.geeks3d.com/20100226/the-real-power-consumption-of-73-graphics-cards/

Of course it's recommended to use a good PSU, it's not NEEDED but anyway on a seperate note.   That link is pretty accurate from what I seen, however new cards use far less power then those cards do so it's not as critical to have an after market PSU these days.

  xS0u1zx

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12/22/11 11:53:40 AM#31
*snip*

Suggest you correct yourself on AMD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Micro_Devices

Yes and you just re-confirmed what I said

 

After acquiring the graphics processor maker ATI Technologies in 2007, AMD restructured some of its combined product lines. Since 2010, all of the company's graphics processing products have been marketed under the AMD brand name.

 

ATI still makes the cards, but because AMD bought out ATI they brand the cards with the AMD logo.  It is STILL ATI that manufactures the Radeon cards.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Better_by_Design_Sticker_-1.png

  Kuraphimaru

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12/22/11 11:54:53 AM#32


Originally posted by xS0u1zx
Correction.   Intel embeds it's graphics architecture within the processor itself and does not in fact make cards.  Secondly ATI makes Radeon graphics cards, AMD owns ATI but ATI is a completely seperate company.  Please go educate yourself, thanks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATI_Technologies


On 30 August 2010, it was announced that AMD was retiring the ATI brand for its graphics chipsets in favor of the AMD name.

  DeathTouch

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12/22/11 11:55:11 AM#33
Originally posted by xS0u1zx
Originally posted by DeathTouch

Just some random Facts about GPU power usage and why you need a GOOD PSU to play games.

http://www.geeks3d.com/20100226/the-real-power-consumption-of-73-graphics-cards/

Of course it's recommended to use a good PSU, it's not NEEDED but anyway on a seperate note.   That link is pretty accurate from what I seen, however new cards use far less power then those cards do so it's not as critical to have an after market PSU these days.

 

Measured power consumption Radeon HD 6990 (default mode)

  1. System in IDLE = 195W
  2. System Wattage with GPU in FULL Stress = 489W
  3. Difference (GPU load) = 294W
  4. Add average IDLE wattage ~ 37W
  5. Subjective obtained GPU power consumption = ~ 331 Watts
  drbaltazar

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12/22/11 11:56:44 AM#34

go buy a can of air open computer and unplug it first then try to clean all the grim you see in there till it look new (might need 2 can)should fix your issue becarefull not to move wire that can short themselv es on steel before reassembling cause you might face bigger issue!but if your carefull this will probably fix your problem ,this should be done before winter and before summer

  DeathTouch

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12/22/11 11:59:43 AM#35

To help you out OP, someone mentioned to check your driver. Would really recommend that first as it is the most simple solution. There have been other games that have launched and cause video cards to overheat and to actually melt. Drivers and patches were released to fix the problem. If you do still have issues then you can look into a new power supply.

 

Looking at the recommended power supply for your video card, 450W is the absolute minimum.

  Dragim

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12/22/11 12:01:33 PM#36

When you say the monitor turns off after about 10-15 minutes of play, does it turn off completely?  Or does it just go black for 2-3 seconds then come back on?

Just curious because I have a EVGA geforce 570 myself and have been running into this issue a lot lately.  After the screen goes black for 2-3 seconds everything come sback on and it says..."Kernel error 220(some number) everything has been recovered".

I have heard that the new "patch" for the drivers has been causing this, but also been happening across the board with various graphics cards.

I have yet to get my own personal issue resolved, as EVGA is having me try all sorts of different things that have yet to work.  But the strangest thing of all is if I turn my PC off for 5 minutes, then back on, I don't get the kernel error for like 3-4 days, then it begins again and the graphics artifice to heck.

But 5 minutes off again and the issue is fixed.  I wish EVGA would just let me RMA the graphics card I have, but nope...I got to try these various other things...even though the problem persisted when I put it into my old computer.

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Don't you just love technology sometimes?  I have had issues with my custom built PC from day 1 of receiving the parts.  5 months later, I still am having issues...(this being the graphics card).  Sigh, but oh well..at least it works well...for the most part..save the kernel error every so often.

I am entitled to my opinions, misspellings, and grammatical errors.

  xS0u1zx

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12/22/11 12:05:31 PM#37
Originally posted by Dragim

When you say the monitor turns off after about 10-15 minutes of play, does it turn off completely?  Or does it just go black for 2-3 seconds then come back on?

Just curious because I have a EVGA geforce 570 myself and have been running into this issue a lot lately.  After the screen goes black for 2-3 seconds everything come sback on and it says..."Kernel error 220(some number) everything has been recovered".

I have heard that the new "patch" for the drivers has been causing this, but also been happening across the board with various graphics cards.

I have yet to get my own personal issue resolved, as EVGA is having me try all sorts of different things that have yet to work.  But the strangest thing of all is if I turn my PC off for 5 minutes, then back on, I don't get the kernel error for like 3-4 days, then it begins again and the graphics artifice to heck.

But 5 minutes off again and the issue is fixed.  I wish EVGA would just let me RMA the graphics card I have, but nope...I got to try these various other things...even though the problem persisted when I put it into my old computer.

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Don't you just love technology sometimes?  I have had issues with my custom built PC from day 1 of receiving the parts.  5 months later, I still am having issues...(this being the graphics card).  Sigh, but oh well..at least it works well...for the most part..save the kernel error every so often.

Try contacting Nvidia since they are the ones that produce the drivers that runs  your EVGA card.  They might have a fix for your issues.

  Kuraphimaru

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12/22/11 12:06:00 PM#38

On topic. 450W is not enough power for the system, tell your friend to get at least 600+W PSU

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-geforce-gtx-460-us.html Hell, nVidia says that 450W is minimal needed amount of system power but you still need to power your proc, ram, hdd's, fans, and peripherals.

  drbaltazar

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12/22/11 12:08:26 PM#39

also the screen thing might be the screen saver kicking in!try puting it to say 5 minute if it still cose after 15 minute this isnt your problem but if it shut down after 5 minute then you just found your issue.also go to intel website make sure your driver for intel stuff is uptodate they have autodetect!as for power the guys here are right when gpu state 450 w it is for the gpu alone!

  xS0u1zx

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12/22/11 12:11:26 PM#40
Originally posted by Kuraphimaru

On topic. 450W is not enough power for the system, tell your friend to get at least 600+W PSU

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-geforce-gtx-460-us.html Hell, nVidia says that 450W is minimal needed amount of system power but you still need to power your proc, ram, hdd's, fans, and peripherals.

Maximum graphics card power is 160W, 65W for your processor, leaving almost 200W available for other components.   Now keeping in mind that most crap PSU's that manufacturers like to included with the computer had about 60% efficiency at best, you're borderlining it pretty close to over working that PSU.   Running a benchmarking program would clarify the issue if the computer crashed while running it.

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