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  someforumguy

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12/22/11 10:25:58 AM#61

The price for the box is an entry fee. You don't buy a game with a MMO box, you just buy access. So those 30 days are not really free, they are just part of the entry free. Its a month sub+entry fee package.

  lukeborgman

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12/22/11 10:29:53 AM#62

I've played LOTS of MMOs, bought many boxes and played the game at release.  Never seen it botched this bad.  How cocky are they with this beloved IP?  Signs of things to come. Even though a dwindling few MMOs think they can get $15/month from players, SWTOR wants it even BEFORE my first 30 STARTS!  THEN they don't provide server capacity to let me do THAT so I can't play AT ALL.  I waited for 20 minutes to get to login ontheir website then got put BACK in the queue when I pressed LOGIN!

I won't even START on the queueing to play the game.

Massively popular means massively profitable.  Why isn't there server capacity when we've ALREADY PAID for it!?  I have a BAD feeling about this.

The tune "Take the money and run" is playing in my head.

  Icewhite

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12/22/11 10:33:42 AM#63
Originally posted by lukeborgman

The tune "Take the money and run" is playing in my head.

What in the world does EA have in common with Billy Joe and Bobby Sue?  Or Texas?

Or were you a Run DMC fan?

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  lthompson94

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12/22/11 10:34:45 AM#64

Are people really this clueless?

 

Yes... you have to buy the game, enter you key and choose you sub.  You don't get charged until after the 30 day free time - like every other P2P MMO on the face the the planet.  If you don't like it in the 30 days, cancel and you still get the remaining time... again... like every other P2P game on the planet.

  SpottyGekko

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12/22/11 10:36:21 AM#65
Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by lukeborgman

The tune "Take the money and run" is playing in my head.

What in the world does EA have in common with Billy Joe and Bobby Sue?  Or Texas?

Or were you a Run DMC fan?

"Take the money and run to fetch a bigger bag" ?

  theedge767

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12/22/11 10:37:06 AM#66

 

 

I will say this only once so you can wrap it around your head. It's printed on the box, It was laid out in the terms and EVERY Pay to Play mmo has had the same Scheme at time of pruchase with out fail.

Games I have played that required me to sub with CC or GC before getting my 30 free days include but are not limited to.

EQ, EQ2, WOW, SWG, AION, WAR, AOC, SWTOR, Tabula Rasa and more that I cant think of atm im sure.

So what Pay to Play MMO did you play that didnt require a sub  at launch ?

 

  Icewhite

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12/22/11 10:37:27 AM#67

Guarantee of payment for all service-before-payment businesses.

Hotels won't let you check in without a credit card on file (or big wad of cash up front) either.  Not exactly non-standard for MMOs either.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  warmaster670

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12/22/11 10:42:54 AM#68
Originally posted by Windamere
Originally posted by mykpfsu
Originally posted by Loekii
Originally posted by elocke
I don't understand these posts today.  It's like everyone thinks we humans don't make mistakes.  OR repeat them.  /sigh

It is human to make mistakes, but that doesn't mean that there are not consequences for them.

 

While this is a 'human' mistake, it is one that should not have happened in a professional setting.    The feeling -- which I agree with -- is that a business should have better advised their subscribers about this.

 

Is it the end of the world?  No.  Is it an example of poor customer service?  Yes - imo.

 

So by better advertise you mean putting it on the friggin splash screen that comes up when logging into the game?  You mean like PUT IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE?  Oh wait, they did that.  Learn to pay attention and not blame your idiocy on someone else.

If you look at that splash screen as you say, NO where on there does it say that if you don't set up a sub you can NOT play the 30 days you've already paid for.

Must suck to live in your world where everything you cant do needs to be pointed out.

 

When you left your house last, were you told not to kill anyone? no? how about being told not to eat your own foot?

 

This is almost as bad as the steam holiday gift pile rules written in plain english clear as day people couldnt understand.

Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.

  spankybus

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12/22/11 10:43:53 AM#69
Originally posted by Rusty715

Looking at the TOR facebook page it looks like a lot of folks dont understand that a sub is needed to play the free month. And people say WOW brought in the ignorant masses.

This is a sign that this game may be HUGE, in that its not only hitting WoW subs and other MMOs, but bringing in a whole new set of players to the genre.

 

Whether or not this is a good thing will be has been heavily debated since WoW's success. /Shrug

 

Either way, there is NO shame in being new to something and not understanding how it works. However, there is a great deal of shame for the ridicule of those new players. Can we make an app store that sells self-esteem, i expect this would elimitate a lot of this behavior.

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  someforumguy

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12/22/11 10:44:26 AM#70
Originally posted by Icewhite

Guarantee of payment for all service-before-payment businesses.

Hotels won't let you check in without a credit card on file (or big wad of cash up front) either.  Not exactly non-standard for MMOs either.

Another example of a bad real life anology. You pay for a deposit as insurance in a hotel. This is because a hotel takes a risk with taking on an unknown customer.

With a MMO you already paid in advance for the 30 days that they give you 'for free'. There is no real need for payment information untill you decide to stay subscribed after that. There is also nothing you can break as customer for which a deposit or insurance (CC info) is needed.

  someforumguy

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12/22/11 10:59:01 AM#71
Originally posted by jairus

when you buy a new mmorpg you need to set-up a subscription, with a CC. then you can hit cancel.

unless what your saying is that they are making you pay for the next month befor they give you the frist free one. then yah. thats some shady stuff. but they all make you set-up a sub befor you can play.

Not with credit card. Then you probably can cancel right away and your sub ends after the 30 days, before your get charged on your CC. But if your only option is a game time card, you have to add that key before you are able to use your 30 days from purchasing the box. Which is odd. The box key should already work as GTC imo.

 

 

  Gdemami

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12/22/11 11:20:47 AM#72


Originally posted by someforumguy

The box key should already work as GTC imo.

That would not be logical.

Retail keys and GTC are 2 different products thus it is not surprising they work differently.

Retail key determines the purchase, subscription plan determines active subscriber.

The point with GTC as only option is valid though.

  Robsolf

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12/22/11 11:35:18 AM#73

Ah... do we have another "how dare BW do something exactly the same way every other MMO(including my favorite) does!!!" thread?

I wouldn't say the OP fails miserably.  I'd say it fails spectacularly.

  SpottyGekko

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12/22/11 11:54:16 AM#74
Originally posted by Robsolf

Ah... do we have another "how dare BW do something exactly the same way every other MMO(including my favorite) does!!!" thread?

I wouldn't say the OP fails miserably.  I'd say it fails spectacularly.

Just because everyone else does it wrong, still doesn't make it right ;)

 

It's just sloppy business practice at best, or has a hidden agenda (at worst).

 

You have already paid a certain fee, which includes the right to 30 days of free play (the same as 30 days of subscription).

But to take up that right, you have to choose a subscription plan.

To activate the subscription plan, you have to either:

  • agree to have your cc auto-billed at a future date
  • enter a valid GTC code 

Notice the subtle difference ?

To use GTC as your billing option, you have to buy one first (catch-22). So no access to your already paid-for 30 days until you pay for at least another 30...

  jensen_34

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12/22/11 11:54:52 AM#75

While I agree that I shouldn't have to provide CC info until after my first 30 days are up, Origin/Bioware clearly printed it on the box and the agreement I digitally check boxed that I would need an active sub to play.

This is pretty much a standard no matter how delusional you are, most games require you to sub with a credit card before they let you login period much less give you a couple days.  I can think of Aion, EQ, EQ2 off the top of my head where I had to setup a sub even though the first 30 days come included with my purchase.

Also, posters here stressing over identity or credit theft, welcome to the internet I suggest you get credit protection.

  jensen_34

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12/22/11 12:02:11 PM#76
Originally posted by SpottyGekko
Originally posted by Robsolf

Ah... do we have another "how dare BW do something exactly the same way every other MMO(including my favorite) does!!!" thread?

I wouldn't say the OP fails miserably.  I'd say it fails spectacularly.

Just because everyone else does it wrong, still doesn't make it right ;)

 

It's just sloppy business practice at best, or has a hidden agenda (at worst).

 

You have already paid a certain fee, which includes the right to 30 days of free play (the same as 30 days of subscription).

But to take up that right, you have to choose a subscription plan.

To activate the subscription plan, you have to either:

  • agree to have your cc auto-billed at a future date
  • enter a valid GTC code 

Notice the subtle difference ?

To use GTC as your billing option, you have to buy one first (catch-22). So no access to your already paid-for 30 days until you pay for at least another 30...

 It's not sloppy, but you could argue it has a hidden agenda.  Just like any business that provides something free initially and then has a subscription that automatically kicks in, they know one thing very clearly.. people are lazy.

They know that a certain percentage will simply forget to cancel that auto subscription at the end of the freebie.  They know that only a fraction of those that get charged will ask for a refund.

Is it right?  I guess not if you're a lazy tard, but people like myself get tons of free stuff so I'm fine with it.  Free gift certificates, free services, free sammich, just don't forget to cancel the day before you get charged.

  ctacconi21

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12/22/11 12:07:54 PM#77

we need a storm of mods on this board.

Pls owner of the site start deleting this utter crap from the board, im tired of reading 500 topic x day, full of bullshit, lies, trolls,retarded complaints etc

can someone pls clean up this mess?

 

for jesus christ sake, why ppl need to spread so hard their misconception of the game on a forum board?

we understand a lot of haters don't like the game, just pls, stop whining and start doing something constructive.

  NC4OM

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12/22/11 12:08:21 PM#78

I did not have to subscribe? I put in my CD key, read the information and it states, you must subscribe after your 30 days. I've had no problem.

 

 

edit!!! that was yesterday this is today...i now can't play

Been bangn' since pong

  Gdemami

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12/22/11 12:10:06 PM#79


Originally posted by SpottyGekko

To use GTC as your billing option, you have to buy one first (catch-22). So no access to your already paid-for 30 days until you pay for at least another 30...

Your choice.

The company is not obliged to support every payment method possible nor the support has to be equal.


No sloppy business practice nor hidden agenda, nor they do it 'wrong'.


The procedure does make sense and is understandable.

  warmaster670

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12/22/11 12:11:29 PM#80
Originally posted by ctacconi21

we need a storm of mods on this board.

Pls owner of the site start deleting this utter crap from the board, im tired of reading 500 topic x day, full of bullshit, lies, trolls,retarded complaints etc

can someone pls clean up this mess?

 

for jesus christ sake, why ppl need to spread so hard their misconception of the game on a forum board?

we understand a lot of haters don't like the game, just pls, stop whining and start doing something constructive.

well despite the fact that ToR is apparently crap and there so many things better than it, they dont seem to have anything better to play, instead just talk about a game they apparently hate all day.

Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.

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