Originally posted by Shayde

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Shayde

Originally posted by superniceguy

Shutting down SWG was not a good move for SOE, but they were forced to by LA/EA, and if SOE did not shut down SWG then LA would have sued SOE and would have been bad for the company (as stated by Smedley which TUX  ha quoted on these forums many many times)

 

This is SHEER LUNACY.

Smed said it was HIS decision to shut down SWG. That it was in the best interests of $OE to do so. The contract was up.

Do you know ANYTHING about how intelectual properties work? If you want to use someone's IP, you have to pay them. $OE had a contract to develop SWG, so they paid Lucasarts actual money to do so. Do you get that?

And when the contract ends, which it does in 9 days, you have to EXTEND that contract to legally use the IP. He said, and I quote, "Could we have renegotiated? Maybe, but I don't think that would be the right thing for the company."

"We knew, with the checkered past [of Galaxies], that this would not be a popular decision, but it was just one that we had to make."

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/111549-SOE-Bids-Fond-Farewell-to-Star-Wars-Galaxies

We, as in $OE.

 

Look, you lost your game, I get that. I lost mine when the horrible NGE hit. But open your eyes. $OE made the decision because SWG was no longer profitable. PERIOD.

The contract ends sometime in 2012. Whatever date that is no one knows, but it was not on Dec 31st 2011. Where does it say it ends in 9 days and states an exact date? They only say it ends in 2012, and I do not believe it is Jan 1st. More like June. EA bought out the remaining 6 months contract so SOE would be forced to shut down SWG, and then be able to launch SWTOR. SWTOR would have been able to launch in Sep, if there was not this contract.

Smedley never said it was his decision, they said it was a mutual decision between SOE and LA

Your theories make no sense whatsoever, and make SOE look like the best and super awesome company to ever exist, if I speak sheer lunacy

My eyes are open, yours are full of SOE hate, and are making stuff up to suit your own needs, to the point that even makes SOE look good. My theories all make sense, and all the pieces fall together perfectly

 

Do you even read links? Go ahead, click that link and see Smed's own words. You know, the ones I QUOTED you in the post.

Smed said HIMSELF that it was $OE's decision to not even try to renegotiate a contract extension. Again his quote... "Could we have renegotiated? Maybe, but I don't think that would be the right thing for the company."

He knows SWG is no longer profitable. He knows what it would cost to re-license the IP, knows what the game takes in, and knows it would be in the red. His job is not to take a loss to appease you, it is to make money.

What is even funnier is you take "ends in 2012" and interject your own specualtion as fact. That they could hobble along for another 6 months, and because they aren't, you blame some LA conspiracy. If they're losing money, why continue one minute?

You think Bioware was at all concerned about SWG? There were more people IN BETA than in SWG at its peak 7 years ago. There are more people on my TOR server than played SWG the last 2 years. They were not concerned.

And as far as your "mutual decision" quote goes. That is what they always say in press releases. Look at Smed's interview and he takes ownership of the decision.

I understand you're in the denial stage of the stages of loss. Open your eyes and get to acceptance.

 

I am already in acceptance, and not in denial at all. You're eyes are blind to the hatred of the NGE and SOE.

When Smedley said "Could we have renegotiated?" that was between LA and SOE, not just SOE or Smedley himself, unless he likes using royal speech, which I do not believe

SOE giving 6 months notice on a dead game is not their style, it is not any companies style, but it is especially not SOEs style. No other MMO that has gotten shut down gave more than 3 months notice. The only reason it got 6 months is because it was all part of the business decsion across SWG and SWTOR between SOE, LA, EA and Bioware, and that the game was far from dead. The date of Dec 20th release for SWTOR was already set in stone in June. Also from what I heard and is total rumour is that EA wanted SWG to be shut down in Sep and SWTOR released in Sep, but Smedley managed to get 3 months more and got the date for Dec 15th. Believing what unofficial people say on the forums is not usually wise, but this makes sense as the usual timeframe for a closure is 3 months, not 6 months.

What you say is what you want it to be and not what things really are.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Shayde

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Shayde

Originally posted by superniceguy

Shutting down SWG was not a good move for SOE, but they were forced to by LA/EA, and if SOE did not shut down SWG then LA would have sued SOE and would have been bad for the company (as stated by Smedley which TUX  ha quoted on these forums many many times)

 

This is SHEER LUNACY.

Smed said it was HIS decision to shut down SWG. That it was in the best interests of $OE to do so. The contract was up.

Do you know ANYTHING about how intelectual properties work? If you want to use someone's IP, you have to pay them. $OE had a contract to develop SWG, so they paid Lucasarts actual money to do so. Do you get that?

And when the contract ends, which it does in 9 days, you have to EXTEND that contract to legally use the IP. He said, and I quote, "Could we have renegotiated? Maybe, but I don't think that would be the right thing for the company."

"We knew, with the checkered past [of Galaxies], that this would not be a popular decision, but it was just one that we had to make."

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/111549-SOE-Bids-Fond-Farewell-to-Star-Wars-Galaxies

We, as in $OE.

 

Look, you lost your game, I get that. I lost mine when the horrible NGE hit. But open your eyes. $OE made the decision because SWG was no longer profitable. PERIOD.

The contract ends sometime in 2012. Whatever date that is no one knows, but it was not on Dec 31st 2011. Where does it say it ends in 9 days and states an exact date? They only say it ends in 2012, and I do not believe it is Jan 1st. More like June. EA bought out the remaining 6 months contract so SOE would be forced to shut down SWG, and then be able to launch SWTOR. SWTOR would have been able to launch in Sep, if there was not this contract.

Smedley never said it was his decision, they said it was a mutual decision between SOE and LA

Your theories make no sense whatsoever, and make SOE look like the best and super awesome company to ever exist, if I speak sheer lunacy

My eyes are open, yours are full of SOE hate, and are making stuff up to suit your own needs, to the point that even makes SOE look good. My theories all make sense, and all the pieces fall together perfectly

 

Do you even read links? Go ahead, click that link and see Smed's own words. You know, the ones I QUOTED you in the post.

Smed said HIMSELF that it was $OE's decision to not even try to renegotiate a contract extension. Again his quote... "Could we have renegotiated? Maybe, but I don't think that would be the right thing for the company."

He knows SWG is no longer profitable. He knows what it would cost to re-license the IP, knows what the game takes in, and knows it would be in the red. His job is not to take a loss to appease you, it is to make money.

What is even funnier is you take "ends in 2012" and interject your own specualtion as fact. That they could hobble along for another 6 months, and because they aren't, you blame some LA conspiracy. If they're losing money, why continue one minute?

You think Bioware was at all concerned about SWG? There were more people IN BETA than in SWG at its peak 7 years ago. There are more people on my TOR server than played SWG the last 2 years. They were not concerned.

And as far as your "mutual decision" quote goes. That is what they always say in press releases. Look at Smed's interview and he takes ownership of the decision.

I understand you're in the denial stage of the stages of loss. Open your eyes and get to acceptance.

 

I am already in acceptance, and not in denial at all. You're eyes are blind to the hatred of the NGE and SOE.

When Smedley said "Could we have renegotiated?" that was between LA and SOE, not just SOE or Smedley himself, unless he likes using royal speech, which I do not believe

SOE giving 6 months notice on a dead game is not their style, it is not any companies style, but it is especially not SOEs style. No other MMO that has gotten shut down gave more than 3 months notice. The only reason it got 6 months is because it was all part of the business decsion across SWG and SWTOR between SOE, LA, EA and Bioware, and that the game was far from dead. The date of Dec 20th release for SWTOR was already set in stone in June. Also from what I heard and is total rumour is that EA wanted SWG to be shut down in Sep and SWTOR released in Sep, but Smedley managed to get 3 months more and got the date for Dec 15th. Believing what unofficial people say on the forums is not usually wise, but this makes sense as the usual timeframe for a closure is 3 months, not 6 months.

What you say is what you want it to be and not what things really are.

Show me one quote, link me one link to support your position, or it is nothing but the rantings of a lunatic.

Smed says himself that he didn't even TRY to renegotiate a contract extension, that it, and I repeat, I don't think that would be the right thing for the company.

I not we. HIS decision.

He knew it would no longer be profitable. He ended it, End of story.

I'll take my direct Smedley quotes over your "rumor" anyday. Your statements are all conjecture, where I'm DIRECTLY QUOTING Smed.

Originally posted by superniceguy

The contract ends sometime in 2012. Whatever date that is no one knows, but it was not on Dec 31st 2011. Where does it say it ends in 9 days and states an exact date? They only say it ends in 2012, and I do not believe it is Jan 1st. More like June. EA bought out the remaining 6 months contract so SOE would be forced to shut down SWG, and then be able to launch SWTOR. SWTOR would have been able to launch in Sep, if there was not this contract.

Smedley never said it was his decision, they said it was a mutual decision between SOE and LA

Your theories make no sense whatsoever, and make SOE look like the best and super awesome company to ever exist, if I speak sheer lunacy

My eyes are open, yours are full of SOE hate, and are making stuff up to suit your own needs, to the point that even makes SOE look good. My theories all make sense, and all the pieces fall together perfectly

I assume you have some form of proof to support your first claim?

No. Of course you don't - because it's purely wishful thinking on your part based on your mad SWG love, not facts and certainly not common sense.

Let's take a look at YOUR theories and see how much sense they really make:

You claim:

1. SOE was forced to close SWG down by LA, EA or Bioware
2. 2 Star Wars MMOs can't co-exist
3. EA/Bioware bought out the remainder of the license
4. SWTOR COULD have launched in September, but delayed it because SWG wasn't closed yet

1. SOE didn't even TRY to renegotiate the license - SOE gave up
2. Wrong. 3 did last week, 2 do now. Clone Wars Adventures is a SOE Star Wars MMO STILL running
3. If they did, link your proof. That's NEVER been stated.
4. This is the big one...seriously?!
   
   • LOL! Dude...EA/Bioware have a MASSIVE hit on their hands. 1.5 MILLION pre-orders in early access. My pre-launch guess was 2mil subs the 1st month, but now, I'm guessing it will be closer to double that, but let's be really conservative and assume 2 million for this - 2 million x $70 (average price per game) = $140 Miliion, 2 million x $15 (monthly sub) = 30 million per month...you are suggesting that SWG, a game making at MOST 75,000 a month (5000x$15) held up a game that will pull in 30 MILLION per month. Even YOU have to see the stupidity in that theory.

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Originally posted by DarthRaiden
(and somwewhat proud of it)
who else didn't touched that POS $OE thought at us that was NGE ?
I am a pure PRE - NGE'r and my respect goes to pure PRE CU 'r  who even didn't touched and resisted even the CU.
 
 

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I respect your decision not to play NGE but how can you not like something if you didnt even try it? I loved PR-CU SWG as did everyone else we used to play with. When the new test server came out with NGE on it hell ya I tried it! after 2 days of trying it I joined the forum mob until ultimately cancelling my sub.

Originally posted by falc0n

I respect your decision not to play NGE but how can you not like something if you didnt even try it?

I can with certainty that VERY few people here would like Head Cheese, even without trying it...sadly...I have *BARF*

Just saying ;)

Originally posted by Shayde

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Shayde

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Shayde

Originally posted by superniceguy

Shutting down SWG was not a good move for SOE, but they were forced to by LA/EA, and if SOE did not shut down SWG then LA would have sued SOE and would have been bad for the company (as stated by Smedley which TUX  ha quoted on these forums many many times)

 

This is SHEER LUNACY.

Smed said it was HIS decision to shut down SWG. That it was in the best interests of $OE to do so. The contract was up.

Do you know ANYTHING about how intelectual properties work? If you want to use someone's IP, you have to pay them. $OE had a contract to develop SWG, so they paid Lucasarts actual money to do so. Do you get that?

And when the contract ends, which it does in 9 days, you have to EXTEND that contract to legally use the IP. He said, and I quote, "Could we have renegotiated? Maybe, but I don't think that would be the right thing for the company."

"We knew, with the checkered past [of Galaxies], that this would not be a popular decision, but it was just one that we had to make."

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/111549-SOE-Bids-Fond-Farewell-to-Star-Wars-Galaxies

We, as in $OE.

 

Look, you lost your game, I get that. I lost mine when the horrible NGE hit. But open your eyes. $OE made the decision because SWG was no longer profitable. PERIOD.

The contract ends sometime in 2012. Whatever date that is no one knows, but it was not on Dec 31st 2011. Where does it say it ends in 9 days and states an exact date? They only say it ends in 2012, and I do not believe it is Jan 1st. More like June. EA bought out the remaining 6 months contract so SOE would be forced to shut down SWG, and then be able to launch SWTOR. SWTOR would have been able to launch in Sep, if there was not this contract.

Smedley never said it was his decision, they said it was a mutual decision between SOE and LA

Your theories make no sense whatsoever, and make SOE look like the best and super awesome company to ever exist, if I speak sheer lunacy

My eyes are open, yours are full of SOE hate, and are making stuff up to suit your own needs, to the point that even makes SOE look good. My theories all make sense, and all the pieces fall together perfectly

 

Do you even read links? Go ahead, click that link and see Smed's own words. You know, the ones I QUOTED you in the post.

Smed said HIMSELF that it was $OE's decision to not even try to renegotiate a contract extension. Again his quote... "Could we have renegotiated? Maybe, but I don't think that would be the right thing for the company."

He knows SWG is no longer profitable. He knows what it would cost to re-license the IP, knows what the game takes in, and knows it would be in the red. His job is not to take a loss to appease you, it is to make money.

What is even funnier is you take "ends in 2012" and interject your own specualtion as fact. That they could hobble along for another 6 months, and because they aren't, you blame some LA conspiracy. If they're losing money, why continue one minute?

You think Bioware was at all concerned about SWG? There were more people IN BETA than in SWG at its peak 7 years ago. There are more people on my TOR server than played SWG the last 2 years. They were not concerned.

And as far as your "mutual decision" quote goes. That is what they always say in press releases. Look at Smed's interview and he takes ownership of the decision.

I understand you're in the denial stage of the stages of loss. Open your eyes and get to acceptance.

 

I am already in acceptance, and not in denial at all. You're eyes are blind to the hatred of the NGE and SOE.

When Smedley said "Could we have renegotiated?" that was between LA and SOE, not just SOE or Smedley himself, unless he likes using royal speech, which I do not believe

SOE giving 6 months notice on a dead game is not their style, it is not any companies style, but it is especially not SOEs style. No other MMO that has gotten shut down gave more than 3 months notice. The only reason it got 6 months is because it was all part of the business decsion across SWG and SWTOR between SOE, LA, EA and Bioware, and that the game was far from dead. The date of Dec 20th release for SWTOR was already set in stone in June. Also from what I heard and is total rumour is that EA wanted SWG to be shut down in Sep and SWTOR released in Sep, but Smedley managed to get 3 months more and got the date for Dec 15th. Believing what unofficial people say on the forums is not usually wise, but this makes sense as the usual timeframe for a closure is 3 months, not 6 months.

What you say is what you want it to be and not what things really are.

 

Show me one quote, link me one link to support your position, or it is nothing but the rantings of a lunatic.

 

Smed says himself that he didn't even TRY to renegotiate a contract extension, that it, and I repeat, I don't think that would be the right thing for the company.

I not we. HIS decision.

He knew it would no longer be profitable. He ended it, End of story.

I'll take my direct Smedley quotes over your "rumor" anyday. Your statements are all conjecture, where I'm DIRECTLY QUOTING Smed.

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m?topic_id=1223321

Here it shows that they tried, and LA and SOE spent months. SOE Brasse also uses "we". When they say these things they speak for everyone not just themselves

If he ended it knowing it would no longer be profitable, they would have only given 3 months notice, not 6 month, if SOE were solely behind it all.

What is funny is that you do not like Smedley or SOE, but hang on every word as though it is the absolute truth, like you are suddenly Smedleys fanboy. He is hardly going to say "we have to shut down SWG because LA have us between the short and curlies"

You are defending SOE and Smedley than I am, with your reasonings, and not only that but making them out to be the best company ever to exist.

Originally posted by TUX426

Originally posted by superniceguy

The contract ends sometime in 2012. Whatever date that is no one knows, but it was not on Dec 31st 2011. Where does it say it ends in 9 days and states an exact date? They only say it ends in 2012, and I do not believe it is Jan 1st. More like June. EA bought out the remaining 6 months contract so SOE would be forced to shut down SWG, and then be able to launch SWTOR. SWTOR would have been able to launch in Sep, if there was not this contract.

Smedley never said it was his decision, they said it was a mutual decision between SOE and LA

Your theories make no sense whatsoever, and make SOE look like the best and super awesome company to ever exist, if I speak sheer lunacy

My eyes are open, yours are full of SOE hate, and are making stuff up to suit your own needs, to the point that even makes SOE look good. My theories all make sense, and all the pieces fall together perfectly

I assume you have some form of proof to support your first claim?

No. Of course you don't - because it's purely wishful thinking on your part based on your mad SWG love, not facts and certainly not common sense.

 

Let's take a look at YOUR theories and see how much sense they really make:

You claim:

1. SOE was forced to close SWG down by LA, EA or Bioware
2. 2 Star Wars MMOs can't co-exist
3. EA/Bioware bought out the remainder of the license
4. SWTOR COULD have launched in September, but delayed it because SWG wasn't closed yet

vs. Facts:

1. SOE didn't even TRY to renegotiate the license - SOE gave up
2. Wrong. 3 did last week, 2 do now. Clone Wars Adventures is a SOE Star Wars MMO STILL running
3. If they did, link your proof. That's NEVER been stated.
4. This is the big one...seriously?!
   
   • LOL! Dude...EA/Bioware have a MASSIVE hit on their hands. 1.5 MILLION pre-orders in early access. My pre-launch guess was 2mil subs the 1st month, but now, I'm guessing it will be closer to double that, but let's be really conservative and assume 2 million for this - 2 million x $70 (average price per game) = $140 Miliion, 2 million x $15 (monthly sub) = 30 million per month...you are suggesting that SWG, a game making at MOST 75,000 a month (5000x$15) held up a game that will pull in 30 MILLION per month. Even YOU have to see the stupidity in that theory.

 

Listen mate - SWG is dead. It's good for Lucas Arts AND SOE to rid itself of the cancer. SWG has been the laughing stock of the MMO community for ages now and it did NEITHER company any good to keep the facade going. SWG was a game DESTROYED by SOE and it'll be a lesson taught in business classes for decades to come. SOE's greed with SWG and W0W envy cost them MILLIONS of players and profits.

 

 

 

Since you want to debate fiction so much, lemme toss in MY theory on how Bioware/EA medled with SWG.

 

MY theory is the opposite of yours. I believe, if ANYTHING, Bioware/EA and possibly LA paid SOE to keep SWG running until SWTORs release - reason being, they didn't want loyal Star Wars fans finding a new game like W0W. The development staff of SWG reflected (2-3 Devs for the past 4 years) NO desire to expand and improve the game, only a desire to "sustain" it - probably meeting some minimum number of employees as required by a contract. EVERY top developer was pulled from SWG to go work on DCUO. The "developers" for SWG were a former QA intern and an old programmer who never ran anything. Don't get me wrong - with 2 people, they did well...but they demonstrate the lack of ANY commitment to the game that SOE had. SOE CLEARLY didn't give a f'k about SWG.

 

So...if you wanna draw any conclusions from the date of SWTORs launch and SWGs demise, thank Bioware, LA or EA for keeping SWG alive until SWTOR launched - don't blame them for SOEs massive failure.

If SOE did not care about SWG, they had no reason whatsoever to carry on working with it, but they did, right until the end

More evidence just in - SWTOR / Bioware forum mods lock and speak the same as SOE forum mods = The mods are given a script by LA

If SOE had full control and were not under strings by LA, SWG could have been so much better, now time to watch Bioware fall the same way ....

Originally posted by superniceguy

If SOE did not care about SWG, they had no reason whatsoever to carry on working with it, but they did, right until the end

More evidence just in - SWTOR / Bioware forum mods lock and speak the same as SOE forum mods = The mods are given a script by LA

If SOE had full control and were not under strings by LA, SWG could have been so much better, now time to watch Bioware fall the same way ....

Why bother quoting me if you didn't have the ability to debate anything I said? It's obvious you didn't even read my post too lol.

Listen, just go on thinking SOE is a fantastic company. Please, go off and pay them every cent you can to support their valiant efforts. Buy DLC, pay a sub, buy extra accounts, pay for others accounts, buy a station pass, buy lifetime subs. It's clear that NO amount of facts or proof will ever sway you from loving SOE - you're their ideal type of customer and you love them. It's a perfect match.

Originally posted by TUX426

Originally posted by superniceguy

If SOE did not care about SWG, they had no reason whatsoever to carry on working with it, but they did, right until the end

More evidence just in - SWTOR / Bioware forum mods lock and speak the same as SOE forum mods = The mods are given a script by LA

If SOE had full control and were not under strings by LA, SWG could have been so much better, now time to watch Bioware fall the same way ....

Why bother quoting me if you didn't have the ability to debate anything I said? It's obvious you didn't even read my post too lol.

Listen, just go on thinking SOE is a fantastic company. Please, go off and pay them every cent you can to support their valiant efforts. Buy DLC, pay a sub, buy extra accounts, pay for others accounts, buy a station pass, buy lifetime subs. It's clear that NO amount of facts or proof will ever sway you from loving SOE - you're their ideal type of customer and you love them. It's a perfect match.

Yeah I did, you said SOE do not care, and I responded they did and why, what else is in there to debate that has not already been said?

I do not think SOE is a fantastic company, you do by the seems of it, from all your theories. I just know how they operate now, and can deal with them accordingly - Better the devil you know!

Originally posted by superniceguy

I do not think SOE is a fantastic company, you do by the seems of it, from all your theories. I just know how they operate now, and can deal with them accordingly - Better the devil you know!

Yup! You got em figured out. You just go enjoy playing your SOE games in bliss :)

Honestly - show your support for them this season by opening more accounts. I think that would be awesome on your part.

And no. I despise SOE. But I FULLY defend your right to like them. I support you in your enjoyment of them too and hope you support them financially as much as you can.

Originally posted by TUX426

Originally posted by superniceguy

I do not think SOE is a fantastic company, you do by the seems of it, from all your theories. I just know how they operate now, and can deal with them accordingly - Better the devil you know!

Yup! You got em figured out. You just go enjoy playing your SOE games in bliss :)

Honestly - show your support for them this season by opening more accounts. I think that would be awesome on your part.

And no. I despise SOE. But I FULLY defend your right to like them. I support you in your enjoyment of them too and hope you support them financially as much as you can.

I am not opening more accounts in SOE, I only did that in SWG due to the 1 or 2 (or 3 with Jedi) slots per account per server, which was a restriction set in by LA. If SOE had their way they would have given more, and more again with SOE All Access.

I can not play SWTOR now as I am waiting for the time cards to arrive in the post, no doubt held up by the christmas rush. Releasing a MMO as late as Dec 20th is not a good idea at all. It is a good job I never applied the game registartion to the account, as the 30 days would be ticking down.

This is in the dark ages, there was a time when other MMO companies requested payment details on entering game registration code, but not any more. Even SWGs of lately just needed to enter the serial code, and you got 30 days without entering card details. I have no payment details set up in WOW either from when that launched, but could have removed them by now as it expired, but I have always been able to play on periodic free game time without the need to enter new payment details, and actually I created a new WOW account last year and I did not need to enter payment details, which was a good thing, as the account got hacked, From that and with SOE being hacked, and others getting hacked too including Bioware afterwards, applying payment details is not safe any more, hence I am using time cards now. At least SOE did a thorough investigation of the hacking and called in the FBI. All others just shrugged it off and carried on as normal. - That is LA for you.

I do get the feeling you like SOE and Smedley as you like to quote him, and believe every word he says, excactly how it comes out. He says the contract ends in 2012, but that could be any time, and if it was really June 2012 then people would wonder why it is ending so soon, but by saying in 2012, it would be any time from Jan to June, but you mistakingly just accept it for January.

Originally posted by ericlatrelle
Awww. I see Buffy_bites made his way to the MMORPG forums to spread more of his bs lol. This is going to be fun.

Buffy_bites where? He does not like these forums as too many people bash on SWG for his liking, and not much support.

If you think I am Buffty, then no. We are friend and just discuss and agree on the same things, and most of our so called "BS" as you put it is taken from what Tiars, 0nyx and other respectable SWG players have had to say, which all makes sense.

Now SWG is shut down I now have time to keep posting about SWG, wheres before last week I was too busy playing SWG to bother.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

(and somwewhat proud of it)

who else didn't touched that POS $OE thought at us that was NGE ?

I am a pure PRE - NGE'r and my respect goes to pure PRE CU 'r  who even didn't touched and resisted even the CU.

 

 

That is a shame, you missed out big time. You can not call it a POS if you never played it, and the NGE ended up being awesome in the end. To base an opinion off of others is nothing to do be proud of.

 

I agree. I actually started playing SWG the week it changed over to the NGE so it was my first experience with SWG. It will always be my favorite MMO. Over the course of the NGE the Dev team made it a really fun game. The crafting, player housing, space content and tons of other stuff made it the best MMO of all time in my opinion. Besides...I have played " The game that shall not be named" and I am not impressed with that grindfest at all.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

(and somwewhat proud of it)

who else didn't touched that POS $OE thought at us that was NGE ?

I am a pure PRE - NGE'r and my respect goes to pure PRE CU 'r  who even didn't touched and resisted even the CU.

 

 

That is a shame, you missed out big time. You can not call it a POS if you never played it, and the NGE ended up being awesome in the end. To base an opinion off of others is nothing to do be proud of.

As for the sig - you never won, as  both SW MMOs could not run side by side, and SWTOR won by default. If SWG stayed active and then bombed with the release of SWTOR and then closed then you would have won, but if SWG did not close I reckon people would have left SWTOR and started playing SWG, killing SWTOR. Most posts I see on the official forums is from people negatively criticising SWTOR, even ones who did not like/play SWG. I do not see people playing SWTOR much after 6 months, if that.

SWTOR will be great and all and give a better experiemnce than SWG, but will be short lived. SWGs systems kept you hooked for eternity. I could never see myself quitting SWG, even after playing it solidly from July 2003. I can not see myself playing SWTOR after a few months

Also SOE is not solely responsible for the NGE, it was LA who are the main culprits, as they were the ones who agreed on it. SW is LAs IP and baby, not SOEs. If SOE solely were responsible, then LA would have sued SOE and/or pulled the SW licence from SOE and SWG would have shut down in 2006 or 2007.

If you avoided SWG NGE then you will need to avoid SWTOR as well.

I played the NGE and it was a POS.

Originally posted by nerovipus32

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

(and somwewhat proud of it)

who else didn't touched that POS $OE thought at us that was NGE ?

I am a pure PRE - NGE'r and my respect goes to pure PRE CU 'r  who even didn't touched and resisted even the CU.

 

 

That is a shame, you missed out big time. You can not call it a POS if you never played it, and the NGE ended up being awesome in the end. To base an opinion off of others is nothing to do be proud of.

As for the sig - you never won, as  both SW MMOs could not run side by side, and SWTOR won by default. If SWG stayed active and then bombed with the release of SWTOR and then closed then you would have won, but if SWG did not close I reckon people would have left SWTOR and started playing SWG, killing SWTOR. Most posts I see on the official forums is from people negatively criticising SWTOR, even ones who did not like/play SWG. I do not see people playing SWTOR much after 6 months, if that.

SWTOR will be great and all and give a better experiemnce than SWG, but will be short lived. SWGs systems kept you hooked for eternity. I could never see myself quitting SWG, even after playing it solidly from July 2003. I can not see myself playing SWTOR after a few months

Also SOE is not solely responsible for the NGE, it was LA who are the main culprits, as they were the ones who agreed on it. SW is LAs IP and baby, not SOEs. If SOE solely were responsible, then LA would have sued SOE and/or pulled the SW licence from SOE and SWG would have shut down in 2006 or 2007.

If you avoided SWG NGE then you will need to avoid SWTOR as well.

I played the NGE and it was a POS.

The mass exodus of SWG players since the NGE went live, the closing of half the servers and then the decision to completely close SWG  attest to the epic  fail the NGE was. Sure, there were some players that thought it was great, but they are clearly the minority by far. $OE has more than earned the horrible reputation it has and denial will not change that reality.

Originally posted by Kazara

Originally posted by nerovipus32

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

(and somwewhat proud of it)

who else didn't touched that POS $OE thought at us that was NGE ?

I am a pure PRE - NGE'r and my respect goes to pure PRE CU 'r  who even didn't touched and resisted even the CU.

 

 

That is a shame, you missed out big time. You can not call it a POS if you never played it, and the NGE ended up being awesome in the end. To base an opinion off of others is nothing to do be proud of.

As for the sig - you never won, as  both SW MMOs could not run side by side, and SWTOR won by default. If SWG stayed active and then bombed with the release of SWTOR and then closed then you would have won, but if SWG did not close I reckon people would have left SWTOR and started playing SWG, killing SWTOR. Most posts I see on the official forums is from people negatively criticising SWTOR, even ones who did not like/play SWG. I do not see people playing SWTOR much after 6 months, if that.

SWTOR will be great and all and give a better experiemnce than SWG, but will be short lived. SWGs systems kept you hooked for eternity. I could never see myself quitting SWG, even after playing it solidly from July 2003. I can not see myself playing SWTOR after a few months

Also SOE is not solely responsible for the NGE, it was LA who are the main culprits, as they were the ones who agreed on it. SW is LAs IP and baby, not SOEs. If SOE solely were responsible, then LA would have sued SOE and/or pulled the SW licence from SOE and SWG would have shut down in 2006 or 2007.

If you avoided SWG NGE then you will need to avoid SWTOR as well.

I played the NGE and it was a POS.

The mass exodus of SWG players since the NGE went live, the closing of half the servers and then the decision to completely close SWG  attest to the epic  fail the NGE was. Sure, there were some players that thought it was great, but they are clearly the minority by far. $OE has more than earned the horrible reputation it has and denial will not change that reality.

The bad reputaion on SOE should really go to LA, as LA will not let anything bad happend to their SW IP. If anybody does then LA will sue them, and if SOE were responsible for the nonsense then LA would have crushed SOE for it, as that did not happen, then the NGE is on LA.  The crap is already happening in SWTOR now. Hope you do not end up blaming Bioware for it

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Kazara

Originally posted by nerovipus32

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

(and somwewhat proud of it)

who else didn't touched that POS $OE thought at us that was NGE ?

I am a pure PRE - NGE'r and my respect goes to pure PRE CU 'r  who even didn't touched and resisted even the CU.

 

 

That is a shame, you missed out big time. You can not call it a POS if you never played it, and the NGE ended up being awesome in the end. To base an opinion off of others is nothing to do be proud of.

As for the sig - you never won, as  both SW MMOs could not run side by side, and SWTOR won by default. If SWG stayed active and then bombed with the release of SWTOR and then closed then you would have won, but if SWG did not close I reckon people would have left SWTOR and started playing SWG, killing SWTOR. Most posts I see on the official forums is from people negatively criticising SWTOR, even ones who did not like/play SWG. I do not see people playing SWTOR much after 6 months, if that.

SWTOR will be great and all and give a better experiemnce than SWG, but will be short lived. SWGs systems kept you hooked for eternity. I could never see myself quitting SWG, even after playing it solidly from July 2003. I can not see myself playing SWTOR after a few months

Also SOE is not solely responsible for the NGE, it was LA who are the main culprits, as they were the ones who agreed on it. SW is LAs IP and baby, not SOEs. If SOE solely were responsible, then LA would have sued SOE and/or pulled the SW licence from SOE and SWG would have shut down in 2006 or 2007.

If you avoided SWG NGE then you will need to avoid SWTOR as well.

I played the NGE and it was a POS.

The mass exodus of SWG players since the NGE went live, the closing of half the servers and then the decision to completely close SWG  attest to the epic  fail the NGE was. Sure, there were some players that thought it was great, but they are clearly the minority by far. $OE has more than earned the horrible reputation it has and denial will not change that reality.

The bad reputaion on SOE should really go to LA, as LA will not let anything bad happend to their SW IP. If anybody does then LA will sue them, and if SOE were responsible for the nonsense then LA would have crushed SOE for it, as that did not happen, then the NGE is on LA.  The crap is already happening in SWTOR now. Hope you do not end up blaming Bioware for it

You are the most bat shit crazy person I have ever seen post on these forums, it's amazing how someone can be so far removed from reality.

Originally posted by Gravez

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Kazara

Originally posted by nerovipus32

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

(and somwewhat proud of it)

who else didn't touched that POS $OE thought at us that was NGE ?

I am a pure PRE - NGE'r and my respect goes to pure PRE CU 'r  who even didn't touched and resisted even the CU.

 

 

That is a shame, you missed out big time. You can not call it a POS if you never played it, and the NGE ended up being awesome in the end. To base an opinion off of others is nothing to do be proud of.

As for the sig - you never won, as  both SW MMOs could not run side by side, and SWTOR won by default. If SWG stayed active and then bombed with the release of SWTOR and then closed then you would have won, but if SWG did not close I reckon people would have left SWTOR and started playing SWG, killing SWTOR. Most posts I see on the official forums is from people negatively criticising SWTOR, even ones who did not like/play SWG. I do not see people playing SWTOR much after 6 months, if that.

SWTOR will be great and all and give a better experiemnce than SWG, but will be short lived. SWGs systems kept you hooked for eternity. I could never see myself quitting SWG, even after playing it solidly from July 2003. I can not see myself playing SWTOR after a few months

Also SOE is not solely responsible for the NGE, it was LA who are the main culprits, as they were the ones who agreed on it. SW is LAs IP and baby, not SOEs. If SOE solely were responsible, then LA would have sued SOE and/or pulled the SW licence from SOE and SWG would have shut down in 2006 or 2007.

If you avoided SWG NGE then you will need to avoid SWTOR as well.

I played the NGE and it was a POS.

The mass exodus of SWG players since the NGE went live, the closing of half the servers and then the decision to completely close SWG  attest to the epic  fail the NGE was. Sure, there were some players that thought it was great, but they are clearly the minority by far. $OE has more than earned the horrible reputation it has and denial will not change that reality.

The bad reputaion on SOE should really go to LA, as LA will not let anything bad happend to their SW IP. If anybody does then LA will sue them, and if SOE were responsible for the nonsense then LA would have crushed SOE for it, as that did not happen, then the NGE is on LA.  The crap is already happening in SWTOR now. Hope you do not end up blaming Bioware for it

You are the most bat shit crazy person I have ever seen post on these forums, it's amazing how someone can be so far removed from reality.

I am not the only person who thinks like this, and what we say IS reality. Guess the majority of other sensible people like me just have the better sense not to bother with these forums

Bioware and SOE are the Fall Guys, LA are the owners of SW. How hard is that to grasp?

Originally posted by superniceguy

 

I am not the only person who thinks like this, and what we say IS reality. Guess the majority of other sensible people like me just have the better sense not to bother with these forums

Bioware and SOE are the Fall Guys, LA are the owners of SW. How hard is that to grasp?

It would probably be easier to understand if every single person involved with the CUNGE, that have commented on how the NGE came about, have all said it was the folks at SOE that came up with it and worked to convince LEC that it was necessary.  LEC's main amount of guilt was that they didn't say "No" to the boneheaded ideas the folks at SOE came up with.  Flying Ewoks, fairy wings and diapers were the brainchild of the SOE dev team (I believe they were Swede's idea specifically).  The zombie themepark was because former SOE lead producer for SWG, Deadmeat, heard about a Star Wars book that had zombies in it and admmitted he basically begged LEC to allow them to add it in.

The NGE started as an idea to have a trial area for new players, and snowballed into the disaster it was by the SOE dev team comming up with new ideas to 'improve' the game, each more horrible than the last.  The psuedo-FPS combat system was the brainchild of the then SOE lead designer (Dan Rubenfield) who slapped it together in his spare time (much like a number of the additions over the past few years to the game were done in the spare time of certian dev team members, such as the appearance tab and atmospheric flight).

The NGE was SOE's baby.  What LEC should be held responsible for is not killing it in the womb.  Unfortunately, they trusted SOE to know what they were doing, which is always a mistake.