Originally posted by Margulis

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Magter

A lot of the people posting on metacritic only have one review, and that's for SW:TOR. If that's not trolling I don't know what is.

Umm...there are people from both camps doing this.   Not just the negative posters...but positive posters as well.  Doesn't matter, in the end it balances out.  If the fans keep giving the game 10's the detractors will keep giving it 0's and it'll get the score it deserves - a 5 or a 6 at best.

Yep, and that's where it is right now, just a little over 5

 Nah people who hate have time on their hands people who love play.

haters gonna hate

i say 7/10 for a solid on the rails adventure 

I'm personally disappointed that it's another themepark MMO - another WoW reskin(call WoW an EQ clone if you will - I don't care.). I really want some diversity in my favorite video game genre, since 2004 it's been so dry.

I've clocked more hours into Lineage2 than any modern MMO in the past year.

Originally posted by Lidane

Originally posted by Loekii

Restricting reviews to only those that have played the game, immediately biases the results to people that were already interested enough to purchase the game 

It "biases" the results to people who've acutally played the game and know what the hell they're talking about.

Again, it is not such a complex subject, that people cannot understand it unless they experience it first hand.

It is a simple video game, using simple concepts that we see in other video games.  Putting 2 and 2 together is something that most people can do by themselves. 

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Magter

A lot of the people posting on metacritic only have one review, and that's for SW:TOR. If that's not trolling I don't know what is.

Umm...there are people from both camps doing this.   Not just the negative posters...but positive posters as well.  Doesn't matter, in the end it balances out.  If the fans keep giving the game 10's the detractors will keep giving it 0's and it'll get the score it deserves - a 5 or a 6 at best.

If character creation was something worth talking about (with aliens and all), I'd give a +1 to that. Don't play this game solo, and  immerse yourself in the story and I'll say + 1 again. So pretty much 7 at best for me, which is pretty high since I rare the majority of  MMORPGS at 4 - 5 :) and spend about that many hours on them.

I would like to give up to an 8, but that depends on how well future content is covered....lots of possibilities there...

I am also experiencing just as many bugs as I had during beta, some of them being ones I reported on...

yet i find it funny that the players are always on here defending. if the game is that engaging you would think you wouldnt even be here to worry about it. i guess that should also go for the people who" only have a couple hours to play each day" yet i seem to see them patrolling here all the time.

Originally posted by Loekii

Again, it is not such a complex subject, that people cannot understand it unless they experience it first hand.

It is a simple video game, using simple concepts that we see in other video games.  Putting 2 and 2 together is something that most people can do by themselves. 

What a bunch of horseshit. Truly.

So I can review anything at all just because I've read or seen other things that are similar? Great! I'll be sure to review every book on Amazon that i can, even if I haven't read it yet. After all, I've read books before. They're just a collection of words on pages. Simple enough.

I'll be able to write reviews of every movie that comes out because I've seen films before, too. And I guess that means I'll be able to trash Guild Wars 2 or ArcheAge now, without playing them at all, because I've played MMOs before. 

Sweet! Being able to review things without experiencing them is going to be awesome. I'll get to talk out of my ass without any accountability at all, since hey -- it's all a simple concept that anyone can put together.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/335872/No-Endgame-Really.html

I wonder how many other people formed opinions based on the hokum that misinformation tried to peddle them.

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Jyiiga

If people didn't like the game there wouldn't be a hour long wait on half of them during primetime (to log in).

That is because Bioware is playing it safe and not adding more servers.   Rift had queues as well, so do most new launches, it is not indicative of a games over all success or failure - that comes 3 to 6 months after launch.   And besides, what constitutes failure.  I think if SW:TOR retains 350k to 500k players it should be considered successful.

They have added servers Teala Im at the server selection looking at 10 light servers.  People are just not filling them up yet.

Cheers!

NO clue what's been said in the previous 17 pages, but really, for most games, the user reviews on Metacritic are absolute rubbish.  I am pretty sure somewhere there are people who get paid a miniscule amount to write bs reviews on that site.  I am not a huge fan of the game, but even I can see it's value.  I honestly could not understand how a sane person would give this game a zero.

Just click on the some of the names of people who gave zeros or low scores.  Most profiles will only show  one review, and it's usually the game they are trashing.  Just look if you don't beleive me.  Take a look at this guy:  http://www.metacritic.com/user/TimedParadox  He gave Mincraft a zero?  Really?  I bet maybe 3/4 of those reviews are by people who posted about one game, in this case SWTOR.  Now, the same could also be said for some of those 10's.  You will see they only have one review.  I mean, do people really register for a site, just to post one review about  one game?  The game is really that bad that they use their time to bother with that?  No, most of it just bs. 

I mean look at this guy's profile, he gave Skyim and Minecraft both a zero, but he gave some console only game I've never heard of a 9?  http://www.metacritic.com/user/ViralKillsBrain

Thank god for user reviews actually - the joke that was Dragon Age 2 still got a great CRITICS review on metacritic but the user reviews actually told the real tale.

Originally posted by Worstluck

NO clue what's been said in the previous 17 pages, but really, for most games, the user reviews on Metacritic are absolute rubbish.  I am pretty sure somewhere there are people who get paid a miniscule amount to write bs reviews on that site.  I am not a huge fan of the game, but even I can see it's value.  I honestly could not understand how a sane person would give this game a zero.

 

Just click on the some of the names of people who gave zeros or low scores.  Most profiles will only show  one review, and it's usually the game they are trashing.  Just look if you don't beleive me.  Take a look at this guy:  http://www.metacritic.com/user/TimedParadox  He gave Mincraft a zero?  Really?  I bet maybe 3/4 of those reviews are by people who posted about one game, in this case SWTOR.  Now, the same could also be said for some of those 10's.  You will see they only have one review.  I mean, do people really register for a site, just to post one review about  one game?  The game is really that bad that they use their time to bother with that?  No, most of it just bs. 

 

I mean look at this guy's profile, he gave Skyim and Minecraft both a zero, but he gave some console only game I've never heard of a 9?  http://www.metacritic.com/user/ViralKillsBrain

 

The same can be said for many of the positive reviews.........

Originally posted by Worstluck

NO clue what's been said in the previous 17 pages, but really, for most games, the user reviews on Metacritic are absolute rubbish.  I am pretty sure somewhere there are people who get paid a miniscule amount to write bs reviews on that site.  I am not a huge fan of the game, but even I can see it's value.  I honestly could not understand how a sane person would give this game a zero.

 

Just click on the some of the names of people who gave zeros or low scores.  Most profiles will only show  one review, and it's usually the game they are trashing.  Just look if you don't beleive me.  Take a look at this guy:  http://www.metacritic.com/user/TimedParadox  He gave Mincraft a zero?  Really?  I bet maybe 3/4 of those reviews are by people who posted about one game, in this case SWTOR.  Now, the same could also be said for some of those 10's.  You will see they only have one review.  I mean, do people really register for a site, just to post one review about  one game?  The game is really that bad that they use their time to bother with that?  No, most of it just bs. 

 

I mean look at this guy's profile, he gave Skyim and Minecraft both a zero, but he gave some console only game I've never heard of a 9?  http://www.metacritic.com/user/ViralKillsBrain

 

That console game you've never heard of is one of the best PS3 games.

Originally posted by caalem

Originally posted by Worstluck

NO clue what's been said in the previous 17 pages, but really, for most games, the user reviews on Metacritic are absolute rubbish.  I am pretty sure somewhere there are people who get paid a miniscule amount to write bs reviews on that site.  I am not a huge fan of the game, but even I can see it's value.  I honestly could not understand how a sane person would give this game a zero.

 

Just click on the some of the names of people who gave zeros or low scores.  Most profiles will only show  one review, and it's usually the game they are trashing.  Just look if you don't beleive me.  Take a look at this guy:  http://www.metacritic.com/user/TimedParadox  He gave Mincraft a zero?  Really?  I bet maybe 3/4 of those reviews are by people who posted about one game, in this case SWTOR.  Now, the same could also be said for some of those 10's.  You will see they only have one review.  I mean, do people really register for a site, just to post one review about  one game?  The game is really that bad that they use their time to bother with that?  No, most of it just bs. 

 

I mean look at this guy's profile, he gave Skyim and Minecraft both a zero, but he gave some console only game I've never heard of a 9?  http://www.metacritic.com/user/ViralKillsBrain

 

That console game you've never heard of is one of the best PS3 games.

Thanks for the info.  Have anything to add to the conversation?  Didn't think so.

Originally posted by Worstluck

Originally posted by caalem

Originally posted by Worstluck

NO clue what's been said in the previous 17 pages, but really, for most games, the user reviews on Metacritic are absolute rubbish.  I am pretty sure somewhere there are people who get paid a miniscule amount to write bs reviews on that site.  I am not a huge fan of the game, but even I can see it's value.  I honestly could not understand how a sane person would give this game a zero.

 

Just click on the some of the names of people who gave zeros or low scores.  Most profiles will only show  one review, and it's usually the game they are trashing.  Just look if you don't beleive me.  Take a look at this guy:  http://www.metacritic.com/user/TimedParadox  He gave Mincraft a zero?  Really?  I bet maybe 3/4 of those reviews are by people who posted about one game, in this case SWTOR.  Now, the same could also be said for some of those 10's.  You will see they only have one review.  I mean, do people really register for a site, just to post one review about  one game?  The game is really that bad that they use their time to bother with that?  No, most of it just bs. 

 

I mean look at this guy's profile, he gave Skyim and Minecraft both a zero, but he gave some console only game I've never heard of a 9?  http://www.metacritic.com/user/ViralKillsBrain

 

That console game you've never heard of is one of the best PS3 games.

 

Thanks for the info.  Have anything to add to the conversation?  Didn't think so.

A lot of the people that gave the game a 10/10 have a single review on the account, but you didn't call them out. I guess that was too inconvenient for you.

Since we're discussing biased reviewers, what about Bioware's own staff giving the game a 10/10?

Originally posted by Margulis

Thank god for user reviews actually - the joke that was Dragon Age 2 still got a great CRITICS review on metacritic but the user reviews actually told the real tale.

I agree. DA2 was a horrible sequal to DAO. 

Is TOR as much on 'rails' as DA2 was?  Or is it closer to DAO?

Wow, you've never heard of Dark Souls?... Huh.

Anyway, I don't put much stock into reviews. Well, aside from Giantbomb.

Right now SWTOR is sitting at what? 5.1/10? That seems rather fair to me. Maybe a 6. Of course that's on an actual scale where 10 is god-like.

Haters who gave SWTOR 0-3 also gave Skyrim 0-3!!!

What do you want from a game!!!

Originally posted by Loekii

Originally posted by Margulis

Thank god for user reviews actually - the joke that was Dragon Age 2 still got a great CRITICS review on metacritic but the user reviews actually told the real tale.

I agree. DA2 was a horrible sequal to DAO. 

 

Is TOR as much on 'rails' as DA2 was?  Or is it closer to DAO?

People major complant  in DA II was about the lack of setting and the fact that you where always suck in a city with reused maps and what not. 

Originally posted by eluldor

Haters who gave SWTOR 0-3 also gave Skyrim 0-3!!!

What do you want from a game!!!

Not everyone loves Skyrim, some even hate it, but look at the average rating.  It's doing pretty well, where it counts.