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  bloodbone

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OP  12/20/11 6:08:21 PM#1
Hi all,
 
I never played in the Beta and still haven’t purchased the game.  However I have been following the development for years and while SWTOR doesn’t appear to be the game I was hoping for it still seemed worth giving it a go. 
 
However, I’ve seen a few shocking user reviews today that claim there is no end game…… at all.  That’s not to say a crappy end game like a few flashpoints and 1 raid but literally no end game what so ever. 
 
Frankly after $150 million dollars and years of development I would expect… no demand some kind of end game with launch.  End game is what really distinguishes single player rpg’s and co-op games from MMO’s. 
 
Anyways I was hoping someone could confirm or deny whether there is any end game at all.  For all I know those “reviews” I read were simply trolls making stuff up.  

 

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12/20/11 6:10:12 PM#2

Two raids, planet dedicated to end-game World PvP and soloing, and a pletera of heroic/nightmare level dungeons.

 

 

  dubyahite

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12/20/11 6:12:07 PM#3
What? If you've been following this game then you should know it has more endgame then most MMOs at launch.

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  Loekii

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12/20/11 6:17:11 PM#4
Originally posted by Snaylor47

Two raids, planet dedicated to end-game World PvP and soloing, and a pletera of heroic/nightmare level dungeons.

Have we seen a number of neutral reviews of those elements?

 

I am hearing good comments about Iluim (Pvp), but what about the other things you mention. 

  User Deleted
12/20/11 6:19:18 PM#5
Originally posted by Loekii
Originally posted by Snaylor47

Two raids, planet dedicated to end-game World PvP and soloing, and a pletera of heroic/nightmare level dungeons.

Have we seen a number of neutral reviews of those elements?

 

I am hearing good comments about Iluim (Pvp), but what about the other things you mention. 

Play the game yourself and find out...

 

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  Agart

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12/20/11 6:21:05 PM#6

I'm only level 28 so i can't speak for endgame, but i'm pretty sure i heard them say there was an endgame planet created for the solo players too with quests,dailies,etc. There are like 15 heroics dungeons, two raids, PVP zones and BGs, find the datacrons if you haven't while leveling, probably factions grind, crafting,etc. so there is plenty to do.

  dubyahite

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12/20/11 6:21:41 PM#7
In beta there was only one guild that cleared ally he raids. There is a very good video of it at darth hater. Can't get a link a I'm on my phone, just google darth hater - relying justice endgame roundtable. They walk through the bosses and give impressions.

The fights they show are from a very old build though.

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  niceguy3978

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12/20/11 6:25:29 PM#8
Originally posted by bloodbone
Hi all,
 
I never played in the Beta and still haven’t purchased the game.  However I have been following the development for years and while SWTOR doesn’t appear to be the game I was hoping for it still seemed worth giving it a go. 
 
However, I’ve seen a few shocking user reviews today that claim there is no end game…… at all.  That’s not to say a crappy end game like a few flashpoints and 1 raid but literally no end game what so ever. 
 
Frankly after $150 million dollars and years of development I would expect… no demand some kind of end game with launch.  End game is what really distinguishes single player rpg’s and co-op games from MMO’s. 
 
Anyways I was hoping someone could confirm or deny whether there is any end game at all.  For all I know those “reviews” I read were simply trolls making stuff up.  

 

And this is the problem with user reviews.  Lie and there are no consequences.

  Icewhite

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12/20/11 6:41:14 PM#9
Originally posted by Loekii

If he is so incredibly wrong, then why not simply post all the links to the numerous full reviews of all the end game content and how it is unquestionably amazing?

As you might understand, that could be a bit difficult to accomplish on opening day.

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  BlackUhuru

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12/20/11 6:41:20 PM#10
Originally posted by Snaylor47

Two raids, planet dedicated to end-game World PvP and soloing, and a pletera of heroic/nightmare level dungeons.

 

 

Instance, Instance, Instance and more instance, Oh and dailies and collect shinies.

 

Thats your End Game folks!

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  Castillle

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12/20/11 6:41:56 PM#11

ummm...Theres a video on operations in SWTOR.  I remember seeing it a long time ago.  Something about a prison? or something...I didnt really pay attention. 

 

Also theres the world thats pvp only or something...

 

I barely followed swtor (aside from the april joke and the smugglers kicking nuts) and i knew these things o.o

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  Loekii

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12/20/11 6:44:51 PM#12
Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by Loekii

If he is so incredibly wrong, then why not simply post all the links to the numerous full reviews of all the end game content and how it is unquestionably amazing?

As you might understand, that could be a bit difficult to accomplish on opening day.

Which woudl mean the OP could actually have an accurate opinion about the quality of End game.

 

I am not saying he is correct, nor that TOR cannot have the best end game experience out there -- but we certainly are not seeing people posting evidence to support such.  

 

If the end game is still up in the air, as far as quality, then that should be the general response.  

 

Iirc, the end game PvP seems to be seen in a positive light.  Links to such reviews and commentary would be a start in responding to the OP's post -- imo.

 

 

  Leethe

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12/20/11 6:59:22 PM#13
Like others have said: I don't give a damn if the OP thinks the endgame sucks or is great. He/she is saying it's not there. Which is pure bollocks.

There is NO miracle patch.

95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.

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12/20/11 7:08:45 PM#14
Originally posted by BlackUhuru
Originally posted by Snaylor47

Two raids, planet dedicated to end-game World PvP and soloing, and a pletera of heroic/nightmare level dungeons.

 

 

Instance, Instance, Instance and more instance, Oh and dailies and collect shinies.

 

Thats your End Game folks!

better then any other MMO out there if you ask me

  Leethe

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12/20/11 7:12:57 PM#15
It took all of 10 seconds to type "swtor endgame" on my blackberry to pull up a bioware interview about exactly what endgame entails. You can't do the same?

There is NO miracle patch.

95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.

Hope is not a stategy.
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  Anolev

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12/20/11 7:16:26 PM#16

Today is launch day, and you're talking about endgame already?  Really?

Something tells me (no facts to support this of course, but it seems reasonable) that BioWare has put just enough "end-game" content into SW:TOR to satisfy the ridiculous minority who will get to end-game within the first couple of weeks.  Then they'll add more and more over time. 

At least that's what I'd do if I were developing an MMO... focus 95% of your effort on 95% of the customers.

  BassmanJ

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12/20/11 7:17:27 PM#17
Originally posted by Snaylor47
Originally posted by BlackUhuru
Originally posted by Snaylor47

Two raids, planet dedicated to end-game World PvP and soloing, and a pletera of heroic/nightmare level dungeons.

 

 

Instance, Instance, Instance and more instance, Oh and dailies and collect shinies.

 

Thats your End Game folks!

better then any other MMO out there if you ask me

 

Better? its the same as any mmo out there.

  Loekii

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12/20/11 7:20:22 PM#18
Originally posted by JPTX

Today is launch day, and you're talking about endgame already?  Really?

Something tells me (no facts to support this of course, but it seems reasonable) that BioWare has put just enough "end-game" content into SW:TOR to satisfy the ridiculous minority who will get to end-game within the first couple of weeks.  Then they'll add more and more over time. 

At least that's what I'd do if I were developing an MMO... focus 95% of your effort on 95% of the customers.

Are not there a number of beta testers and head start players that are closing in on the 'end game' already -- rather than being weeks and weeks out?

 

Additionally, it is a good question for someone that is interested in seeing what the end game is about, before they buy and invest time in the game.   

  BlackUhuru

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12/20/11 7:22:56 PM#19
Originally posted by BassmanJ
Originally posted by Snaylor47
Originally posted by BlackUhuru
Originally posted by Snaylor47

Two raids, planet dedicated to end-game World PvP and soloing, and a pletera of heroic/nightmare level dungeons.

 

 

Instance, Instance, Instance and more instance, Oh and dailies and collect shinies.

 

Thats your End Game folks!

better then any other MMO out there if you ask me

 

Better? its the same as any mmo out there.


No and No

 

It is not better than anything else and no it's not the same as every other mmo. Maybe the same as every other themepark game but far from other mmo's.

 

 

 

"It would be awesome if you could duel your companion. Then you could solo pvp".--Thanes

  gaou

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12/20/11 7:24:09 PM#20

ill copy what i posted in another thread:

 

as for end game activities that have been listed:

2 operations with 3 difficulty lvls(normal, hard, and nightmare)

15 flashpoints.  3 are open at end game with 2 difficuly settings and the other 12 can be made end game lvl by playing them in hard mode

warzones

open world pvp with objectives on ilum

FFA pvp in outlaws den on tatooine -  this could involve settling disputes with other guilds, hosting pvp events amongst same faction or maybe even setting up a tournament that pits players from either faction against one another with random draw. things like that (edit: just to be clear, they dont give you tools to set up your own tournments in-game. that was just a possible suggesting. this would have to be organized on the forums or something)

crafting

space missions

rolling alts

dailies

finding any missed datacrons and lore objects for the codex(without the use of a guide because wouldn't take very long with one)

feel like im missing something but cant think of it

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