I think I should wait for a free trial before buying this game. It doesn't really scare me that ppl vote 0 for it on Metacritic, but it does worry me that ppl vote 10 just to boost it.  It does seem that some ppl (only some) that vote low have fairly valid arguments based on experience and thus it worries me that the high scores pretty much just rant on the "non-likers".

Originally posted by ZX81Spectrum

  I think I should wait for a free trial before buying this game. It doesn't really scare me that ppl vote 0 for it on Metacritic, but it does worry me that ppl vote 10 just to boost it.  It does seem that some ppl (only some) that vote low have fairly valid arguments based on experience and thus it worries me that the high scores pretty much just rant on the "non-likers".

In my opinion, anyone who gives this game a 0 on metacritic has lost all credibility.

I think I would say that about ANY game...

And on the same note, a 10 means that everything is there, and there really is nothing to critize -- yet I am sure there are fans out there giving out 10s.

I certainly agree the game does not deserve a 0, but it certainly doesn't deserve a 10 either.   

Originally posted by Anubisan

Originally posted by ZX81Spectrum

  I think I should wait for a free trial before buying this game. It doesn't really scare me that ppl vote 0 for it on Metacritic, but it does worry me that ppl vote 10 just to boost it.  It does seem that some ppl (only some) that vote low have fairly valid arguments based on experience and thus it worries me that the high scores pretty much just rant on the "non-likers".

In my opinion, anyone who gives this game a 0 on metacritic has lost all credibility.

What about the ones giving it a 10?

Originally posted by Thillian

Originally posted by Anubisan

I don't care what people think about TOR, there is no way it deserves a 0. 

Why not?

If somebody paid 60$, played it for a couple of hours, didn't enjoy it at all, found it to be the same boring quest-mill with awkward cut-scenes on every step, why shouldn't he gave it 0. Or do you believe, he should be thinking in terms like "Well I totally dislike the game, but maybe someone else might enjoy it, so I'll give it 6 or 7" ? I rather think that the user reviews should reflect personal subjective opinion on the game, and not personal subjective opinion on what should be the objective opinion.

it doesnt deserve a 0 purley based on the fact it works right out of the gate, unlike most mmo's released over the last 5 years. Your bias is showing like a bright neon light, thanks for coming out.

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I don't care what people think about TOR, there is no way it deserves a 0. 

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Why not?
If somebody paid 60$, played it for a couple of hours, didn't enjoy it at all, found it to be the same boring quest-mill with awkward cut-scenes on every step, why shouldn't he gave it 0. Or do you believe, he should be thinking in terms like "Well I totally dislike the game, but maybe someone else might enjoy it, so I'll give it 6 or 7" ? I rather think that the user reviews should reflect personal subjective opinion on the game, and not personal subjective opinion on what should be the objective opinion.

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Oh come on. A 0 means that nothing works. That the game is complete garbage and that the developers didn't deliver what they promised.
This is NOT the case with SWTOR. The game is exactly what Bioware said it would be and it has been delivered with a high degree of polish in every regard. You may not like the game because of its mechanics, but to say that it is a 0 is just unfair. I may not like whatever MMORPG you are a fan of (and I'm sure I don't), but no MMO I have ever played deserves a 0.

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Originally posted by Teala

In my opinion, anyone who gives this game a 0 on metacritic has lost all credibility.

What about the ones giving it a 10?

Yep.

Both sides of that coin are simply full of it far as I'm concerned.

Originally posted by Loekii

And on the same note, a 10 means that everything is there, and there really is nothing to critize -- yet I am sure there are fans out there giving out 10s.

 

I certainly agree the game does not deserve a 0, but it certainly doesn't deserve a 10 either.   

 

Most 0's and 10's are going to be people attempting to sway the tide one way or the other.

Originally posted by ianicus

Originally posted by Thillian

Originally posted by Anubisan

I don't care what people think about TOR, there is no way it deserves a 0. 

Why not?

If somebody paid 60$, played it for a couple of hours, didn't enjoy it at all, found it to be the same boring quest-mill with awkward cut-scenes on every step, why shouldn't he gave it 0. Or do you believe, he should be thinking in terms like "Well I totally dislike the game, but maybe someone else might enjoy it, so I'll give it 6 or 7" ? I rather think that the user reviews should reflect personal subjective opinion on the game, and not personal subjective opinion on what should be the objective opinion.

it doesnt deserve a 0 purley based on the fact it works right out of the gate, unlike most mmo's released over the last 5 years. Your bias is showing like a bright neon light, thanks for coming out.

So is yours.  Is there some criteria for rating on Metacritic?  Does "the game turns on" have anything to do with how much someone likes/dislikes it?  If I hated a game, the fact that it works would make me want to score it lower, not higher.

Originally posted by Creslin321

You know what's hilarious?  This fanboi war has now spilled onto metacritic completely.  There is a thread on the SWTOR official board rallying support for the game on metacritic because it is being "attacked."  And lo and behold, it has risen from like 2.something to 5.0 already.

How far does this my game is better than yours crap have to go?  You don't have to convince yourself that the game is the second coming just to play it, and you don't have to demonize it because you don't like it.  How about just give it an honest review?

If I were to review it, I would give it an "8."  I think that's fair.  Why do people have to turn this into some immature fan-war?

There are a few people on there who have attempted to give thorough, honest reviews.  A lot of them rate the game anywhere from a 6 to an 8.  I'd probably give it a 7 based on the beta weekend.  Average game with some nice touches.  If I wanted to be snarky, I'd give it a 6.5 because of the limited character creation.  Quite a few of the reviewers in the 6-8 range are saying pretty much the things I was thinking while I was playing.  The other reviews are worthy of some giggles and popcorn, but most are either rage-fueled or rosy tinted. 

This is why I still prefer a clear "Thumbs Up" or "Thumbs Down" when reviewing anything in life.

I mean really, what's the difference between a review that says it's a 6/10 and another says it's a 7/10?

It's all meaningless to me.

Overall, did you like the game? Yes or No? Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?

Sometimes, living in a black and white world is all you need to make a decision.

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Anubisan

Originally posted by ZX81Spectrum

  I think I should wait for a free trial before buying this game. It doesn't really scare me that ppl vote 0 for it on Metacritic, but it does worry me that ppl vote 10 just to boost it.  It does seem that some ppl (only some) that vote low have fairly valid arguments based on experience and thus it worries me that the high scores pretty much just rant on the "non-likers".

In my opinion, anyone who gives this game a 0 on metacritic has lost all credibility.

What about the ones giving it a 10?

Same IMHO.

I take anything beyond 4-6 seriously (depending on the context).

I like the one post on there where the guy says PvP is horribly unbalanced yet he never played past level 8...... weird since PvP doesn't start until your level 10....

I've beta tested it for 4 months, SWTOR has the most balanced PvP I have ever experienced in a MMO...  You can tell a lot of the posts are fictional to try and discredit the game for whatever reason they have..

From my experience with beta and now live I would rate it a solid 8/10

the game is awesome.. let them rage whatever they want to.. that wont change that swtor is indeed, and finally after so many years of waiting, The MMO to rule them all.. :]

Originally posted by 8BitAvatar

Originally posted by Snaylor47

If TOR is a 5 then what the fuck does that make every other MMO? Seriously if SWTOR is a five then what does that make games like Guild Wars,  WoW and RIFT?

I'd say slightly higher. A lot higher. Except for RIFT.

WoW and Guild Wars though?

They were released in 2004 and 2005.

You have to remember, the gaming landscape back then (especially for MMOs) was very, very different compared to what we see today.

There was a bit of "newness" to them; they were very polished, extremely accessible as MMOs.

Newer games of today who follow those models will never receive higher marks than their predecessors because it really is more of the same.

Why would I give a higher score to a game that's essentialy a copy/paste of a game that came out 8 years ago?

That's me though...

Why would you give WoW a high score when it was just a copy/paste of EQ and other mmo's that came out before it?  EverQuest was out at least 5 years before WoW, WoW was over-all a "clone" of EQ...  Yet people went nuts over it and made it #1.  A mmo comes out today and if it's even kinda like WoW it gets bashed, but then again if it's not WoW enough people will still complain about that too.

Games today can't win tho.  A mmo comes out and can be NOTHING like WoW and people still scream and shout "WoW clone!!!!  Ripoff, not gonna play this trash!!!!"

To me really, I couldn't really care if a game is a "clone" as long as I find it fun then that's all that matters to me.  I do find TOR to be a fun game!

Lets all sit down and face the truth

Reviews are never honest

Fan-bois going to put a 10

Haters going to put a 0

Professionals going to mask a 5- if they dislike and a 8 if they like so they do not give the forbidden 10 or 0

Reviews are purely subjective

Surprisingly, isnt it?

Originally posted by ZX81Spectrum

  I think I should wait for a free trial before buying this game.

I would highly recommend it. Best way to go really and at that point things will have died down a bit and be a bit more fleshed out. Besides, I wouldn't be surprised if you have to wait long before there is some type of limited trial available.

...and no I'm not implying anything about how the game will fair sub wise by saying that for those of you out there that take everything to heart. Simply referring to the trend in general as of alte in this genre.

Originally posted by NMStudio

All from people who have never played the game.  It's really sad that these people have so little going on in their lives, and so much hate that they have to try so hard to shit on other people's enjoyment like this.  They've even going through and negatively flagging any positive reviews.

You know when you post stuff like this, I can't help but think you beleive SWTOR is perfect and after playing it any one would love it.

On topic: Also yea metacritic doesn't mean much, reviews shouldn't matter it only depends on you.

I wouldn't say SWTOR is a waste of money mainly if you aren't burnt out on current gen mmorpgs with like a few "ups" on the basic style.

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Anubisan

Originally posted by ZX81Spectrum

  I think I should wait for a free trial before buying this game. It doesn't really scare me that ppl vote 0 for it on Metacritic, but it does worry me that ppl vote 10 just to boost it.  It does seem that some ppl (only some) that vote low have fairly valid arguments based on experience and thus it worries me that the high scores pretty much just rant on the "non-likers".

In my opinion, anyone who gives this game a 0 on metacritic has lost all credibility.

What about the ones giving it a 10?

I think he, and anyone else who is reasonable would know that a 10 in any game is ridiculous.

1-10 number system is horrid in any case.

how much different is a 7 to an 8? What does that really mean?

The only way a 0 or a 10 might be considered a fair review is if everyone  panned/praised the game and there were no differences in opinion. Then that might make one pause.