Originally posted by pmaura

every single game in existence has the same quests kill this or get that hell thats practicly the plot of every movie and book too.

Lol...say what? What the hell books and movies are you checking out? You need to be a bit more selective in your choices there if that's really your view.

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by Sovrath

It doesn't matter whether SWToR sucks or not. I'm sure in the eyes of many it does and with good reason.

But the fact is that I don't know many modern mmo's that incorporate other types of quests and many of them. The original post claims that the there is boredeom because there are mostly kill quests.

So is the issue mostly with kill quests or the issue is with how the mobs are are acting?

The issue is regardless whether it was the player base or devs this was supposedly not going to be the case.  I'm not sure who started that whole line nor do I really care, but once again for the fucking billionth time players were running around saying how this game was going to revolutionize everything when clearly it does not.

Unless you count having voiceovers for everything some unique concept brought to the land of mmos.

Should this really be surprising? No, not sure why some raise their expectations levels so high.

Can I blame them though? Nope. It is bioware after all and considering their history I can see why some had such high expectations.

Anyways, I doubt most that don't care for the game think it "sucks". Over all, once you get past the "new shiny toy" factor this game really brings nothing new to the table and least far as gameplay goes is rather average at best.

So of course, for those that were expectiing something revolutionary, evolutionary, ejaculatory, whatthefignewtonever, this game is going to bore them quickly or be a huge letdown.

I really am not interested in how some players thought the game was going to revolutionize everything nor am I interested in the players who want to jump on the "I told you so wagon". It's kind of immaterial as neither are entirely wrong or right.

I'm smart enough to see what is different and what is not and I hope those players who go into this game look at it and see it for what it is, warts and all, good stuff and all.

I do think the voiceovers move the genre forward as they make me more engaged in what is happening.

The quests are pretty much the same fare and as long as I realize it's a standard themepark mmo then it doesn't really matter.

The OP's stance was that there was nothing but kill quests.

Now, if a person is tired of "kill quests" then it's more than possible the game is not going to be for them. If they are currently playing another mmo I'd be interested in knowing how drastically different are those kill quests as I really see no difference? You kill things. end of subject.

Now if people want to argue about the quality of kill quests then that's really a different discussion.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by Sovrath

It doesn't matter whether SWToR sucks or not. I'm sure in the eyes of many it does and with good reason.

But the fact is that I don't know many modern mmo's that incorporate other types of quests and many of them. The original post claims that the there is boredeom because there are mostly kill quests.

So is the issue mostly with kill quests or the issue is with how the mobs are are acting?

The issue is regardless whether it was the player base or devs this was supposedly not going to be the case.  I'm not sure who started that whole line nor do I really care, but once again for the fucking billionth time players were running around saying how this game was going to revolutionize everything when clearly it does not.

Unless you count having voiceovers for everything some unique concept brought to the land of mmos.

Should this really be surprising? No, not sure why some raise their expectations levels so high.

Can I blame them though? Nope. It is bioware after all and considering their history I can see why some had such high expectations.

Anyways, I doubt most that don't care for the game think it "sucks". Over all, once you get past the "new shiny toy" factor this game really brings nothing new to the table and least far as gameplay goes is rather average at best.

So of course, for those that were expectiing something revolutionary, evolutionary, ejaculatory, whatthefignewtonever, this game is going to bore them quickly or be a huge letdown.

I really am not interested in how some players thought the game was going to revolutionize everything nor am I interested in the players who want to jump on the "I told you so wagon". It's kind of immaterial as neither are entirely wrong or right.

I'm smart enough to see what is different and what is not and I hope those players who go into this game look at it and see it for what it is, warts and all, good stuff and all.

I do think the voiceovers move the genre forward as they make me more engaged in what is happening.

The quests are pretty much the same fare and as long as I realize it's a standard themepark mmo then it doesn't really matter.

The OP's stance was that there was nothing but kill quests.

Now, if a person is tired of "kill quests" then it's more than possible the game is not going to be for them. If they are currently playing another mmo I'd be interested in knowing how drastically different are those kill quests as I really see no difference? You kill things. end of subject.

Now if people want to argue about the quality of kill quests then that's really a different discussion.

It was sort of implied in the OP...

Originally posted by AdamTM

 

It was sort of implied in the OP...

This isn't flaming as I love SW and really enjoyed this game at first, but now the game is boring the hell out of me now, I don't know if it's just Nar Shadar but there is no variety in quests. They're all go here and kill this. Tiresome.

Not it's not. he clearly states that there is no vareity and that they are all kill quests. Had he said that there is no variety and ended it on that then you might have a case. But since he qualified his statement with "they are all "go here and kill this" then it seems that his issue is with kill quests in general.

AFter all, all kill quests are go here and kill x. You kind of have to know what you need to kill in order to kill it.

Try a different class, I'm on that planet and as an IA  I'm minipulatling people, disguising as droids, guards, hacking and sneaking around blowing shit up, the stories engaging and I never was much of a SW fan.  Nice 007 feel. Sure you have kill some also that's the point man. My big beef is all the running I find that boring. All those speeders, taxis and creatures parked I want to ride one. I think it's quite different from most mmo's. Wish the graphics were better but they're acceptable. For me money well spent so far.

ps. as I'm wrinting this and eating a sandwich my 2 companions are off crafting, pretty cool.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by RizelStar

Thing is Sovrath, in GW 2 you could complete a quest wihout killing were as someone could do the same quest killing or you can do a little bit of both.

Now GW 2 isn't perfect either I think the big issue with Guild War fasr as the cutscenes is the same issue with SWTOR were you can get kicked for rushing or taking your time(mainly from dungeons.) If people don't see that as an issue for mmos with cutscenes then you must look again.

I know it's hard to imagine an mmo having an "one up" in questing but from experience they do :/

In which case is this a GW2 vs SWToR thread in disguise?

It's not hard to imagine a game that changes questing but the OP distinctly stated that there was nothing to do but kill quests.

Unless of course this is a veiled attempt to start just one more  GW2 vs SWToR discussion.

 

I'm not trying that at all but it's hard to bite my toungue when I see misinformation, I also get most people, mainly on other websites when they talk down on SWTOR like it isn't a great current gen MMOROPG which in my opinion I think it is.

Originally posted by Sovrath

I really am not interested in how some players thought the game was going to revolutionize everything nor am I interested in the players who want to jump on the "I told you so wagon". It's kind of immaterial as neither are entirely wrong or right.

Eh? If you weren't interested in this at all then you wouldn't even be discussing this matter or debating the OP's topic because it would be moot to you. 

Like it or not, agree or disagree - doesn't really matter - but the main crux of the OP's complaint falls under the the premise of there simply being nothing new here, dull, generic, etc. Pick whatever term you think best describes his sentiment because it doesn't really matter.

Originally posted by Satarious

Originally posted by Lashley

This isn't flaming as I love SW and really enjoyed this game at first, but now the game is boring the hell out of me now, I don't know if it's just Nar Shadar but there is no variety in quests. They're all go here and kill this. Tiresome.

Here's a little tip:  Play casually and make new friends.  When you just solo all the time, any game will become boring no matter how compelling it is.

So true. Games that you like from the start stay fun forever if you have someone to play it with. Doesn't matter if it's a stranger you don't know, get to know the person and play with them. A lot more fun. A plus is if you know the person in real life :)

Originally posted by Lashley

This isn't flaming as I love SW and really enjoyed this game at first, but now the game is boring the hell out of me now, I don't know if it's just Nar Shadar but there is no variety in quests. They're all go here and kill this. Tiresome.

I think its just your bored with mmos in general by the sound of it .

Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

Originally posted by Lashley

This isn't flaming as I love SW and really enjoyed this game at first, but now the game is boring the hell out of me now, I don't know if it's just Nar Shadar but there is no variety in quests. They're all go here and kill this. Tiresome.

I think its just your bored with mmos in general by the sound of it .

By the sound of it, it's just he's bored with wow-like MMOs.

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by Sovrath

I really am not interested in how some players thought the game was going to revolutionize everything nor am I interested in the players who want to jump on the "I told you so wagon". It's kind of immaterial as neither are entirely wrong or right.

Eh? If you weren't interested in this at all then you wouldn't even be discussing this matter or debating the OP's topic because it would be moot to you. 

 

More to the point, I'm not interested in a silly debate on whether or not SWToR revolutionizes the industry or not. I can easily list things that it does move forward as well as things that are firmly planted in "same old same old".

but it's a silly debate because the things that it does revolutionize aren't necessarily thought of as revolutionary by some. So where does that really leave us? Just opinion I suppose if not just a going back and forth the umpteenth time.

The original statement was that there is no variety, they are all kill x quests. But most mmo's in recent years incorporate that scheme. Since SWToR Devs never said that they would reinvent that wheel but that they would  reinvent how that wheel is powered then I feel they have succeded.

the quests feel more immersive to me because of the storied moments.

 He sems to want more variety. And my question is whether or not he is currently playing an mmo that has quests that to him offer the variety he seeks? Or is it that he is having a hard time finding any game that offers more variety?

I wonder if players who want more of other types of quests will find some of the upcoming offerings more satisfying or just more of the same with a different presentation?

Every game that is annouced or comes out is the same old thing.

People love it and defend it like the virgin mary, people hate it and try to get everyone else to hate it, people say wait for game X it will be better then this and evrything else, people defend new game, people tear down new game, new game announced, repeat repeat repeat.

You would think people would get tired of the same exact argument for years. You guys should hang out with my wife, youd get along perfectly.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by AdamTM

 

It was sort of implied in the OP...

This isn't flaming as I love SW and really enjoyed this game at first, but now the game is boring the hell out of me now, I don't know if it's just Nar Shadar but there is no variety in quests. They're all go here and kill this. Tiresome.

 

Not it's not. he clearly states that there is no vareity and that they are all kill quests. Had he said that there is no variety and ended it on that then you might have a case. But since he qualified his statement with "they are all "go here and kill this" then it seems that his issue is with kill quests in general.

AFter all, all kill quests are go here and kill x. You kind of have to know what you need to kill in order to kill it.

 

 

I read it as "there is no variety in "kill this and go here" quests"

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by sgtairborne

Every game tha is annouced or somes out is the same old thing.

People love it and defend it like the virgin mary, people hate it and try to get everyone else to hate it, people say wait for game X it will be better then this and evrything else, people defend new game, people tear down new game, new game announced, repeat repeat repeat.

You would think people would get tired of the same exact argument for years. You guys should hang out with my wife, youd get along perfectly.

Well...in all fairness such is the way of forums.  Besides, I need these folks to keep this shit up.

Makes being stuck at work far more entertaining XD

LOL I agree. Its fun to see people bang their heads against a wall. Becasue really theres not much else to do anyways.

Originally posted by AdamTM

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by AdamTM

 

It was sort of implied in the OP...

This isn't flaming as I love SW and really enjoyed this game at first, but now the game is boring the hell out of me now, I don't know if it's just Nar Shadar but there is no variety in quests. They're all go here and kill this. Tiresome.

 

Not it's not. he clearly states that there is no vareity and that they are all kill quests. Had he said that there is no variety and ended it on that then you might have a case. But since he qualified his statement with "they are all "go here and kill this" then it seems that his issue is with kill quests in general.

AFter all, all kill quests are go here and kill x. You kind of have to know what you need to kill in order to kill it.

 

 

 

I read it as "there is no variety in "kill this and go here" quests"

And I read it as "there is no variety. They are all go here and kill this quests." Exactly as he punctuated it.

Maybe the OP can clarify. If he means that he just wants variety in the kill quests then sure, I cheerfully withdraw my initial question.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by AdamTM

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by AdamTM

 

It was sort of implied in the OP...

This isn't flaming as I love SW and really enjoyed this game at first, but now the game is boring the hell out of me now, I don't know if it's just Nar Shadar but there is no variety in quests. They're all go here and kill this. Tiresome.

 

Not it's not. he clearly states that there is no vareity and that they are all kill quests. Had he said that there is no variety and ended it on that then you might have a case. But since he qualified his statement with "they are all "go here and kill this" then it seems that his issue is with kill quests in general.

AFter all, all kill quests are go here and kill x. You kind of have to know what you need to kill in order to kill it.

 

 

 

I read it as "there is no variety in "kill this and go here" quests"

And I read it as "there is no variety. They are all go here and kill this quests." Exactly as he punctuated it.

Maybe the OP can clarify. If he means that he just wants variety in the kill quests then sure, I cheerfully withdraw my initial question.

Maybe, his grammar and punctuation isn't stellar to begin with.

I'm just saying that I think what he means there is no variety in the quests, because the alternative would not make sense if he played the game at all as he is claiming.

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Originally posted by IPolygon
Yeah, what did you expect? In previews and reviews it was clearly stated that VO and presentation mask the lack of variety in quest design. I don't know if you do it, but skipping dialogue kills most of what makes SWTOR exceptional in the genre.
 
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I think majority don't play mmo's becouse they wanne watch dialogue, me included. First time its maybe nice but im convinced with most players its very fast tiresome to watch dialogue all the time.

Originally posted by warmaster670

Originally posted by AdamTM

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by AdamTM

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by AdamTM

 

It was sort of implied in the OP...

This isn't flaming as I love SW and really enjoyed this game at first, but now the game is boring the hell out of me now, I don't know if it's just Nar Shadar but there is no variety in quests. They're all go here and kill this. Tiresome.

 

Not it's not. he clearly states that there is no vareity and that they are all kill quests. Had he said that there is no variety and ended it on that then you might have a case. But since he qualified his statement with "they are all "go here and kill this" then it seems that his issue is with kill quests in general.

AFter all, all kill quests are go here and kill x. You kind of have to know what you need to kill in order to kill it.

 

 

 

I read it as "there is no variety in "kill this and go here" quests"

And I read it as "there is no variety. They are all go here and kill this quests." Exactly as he punctuated it.

Maybe the OP can clarify. If he means that he just wants variety in the kill quests then sure, I cheerfully withdraw my initial question.

Maybe, his grammar and punctuation isn't stellar to begin with.

I'm just saying that I think what he means there is no variety in the quests, because the alternative would not make sense if he played the game at all as he is claiming.

Based on these forums Id say its a 95% chance its the second one.

I tend to be less cynical then.

Originally posted by forest-nl

I think majority don't play mmo's becouse they wanne watch dialogue, me included. First time its maybe nice but im convinced with most players its very fast tiresome to watch dialogue all the time.

I'm not so sure about that. Think it's pretty split far as that goes. I mean the vo and story themed content is one of the highlights of this game for many players.

Originally posted by kalinis

Not all my quest is kill stuff eitther in tor. Most of them are talk to this person, destroy wapons caches, REcover stolen data, Interupt a meeting with republic and exchange,  Steal a cult from the darth u need an artifact from, 

The killing just happens in mmos as there are mobs in yoru game. Only way to get rid of kiling things is to make areas with no npc mobs that attack u.

Most of my quests arent actually kill x or y, Sure those pop up and i usually complete them getting to my actual objective but my actual quests are not kill this kill that. 

Yeah that was my experience as well. The BH was largely kill quests, due to the nature of the class, smuggler was a different story though.