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  username509

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12/18/11 8:45:25 AM#21
Originally posted by Quizzical

Why is it that whenever someone asks for sandbox games, people jump in to list mostly theme park games, with a slight bit of sandbox elements?  For example, EverQuest II and Vanguard have shown up on this thread.  Those aren't 100% pure theme park, but they're pretty close to it.

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Uncharted Waters Online is a weird game.  The only games at all similar are the old Uncharted Waters console games that the game is based on.  If you want to read up on it, try this thread:

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/555/view/forums/thread/332238/Well-this-is-different-a-review.html

That will at least give you some idea of what is out there.

As for saying it's a sandbox game, there are a bunch of different activities that you can do.  You don't actually have to do any particular activities.  And there mostly isn't an implied order, except within a given activity.  I spend the bulk of my time going out and making adventuring discoveries.  Some people who are much higher level than me don't even have the skills required to make adventuring discoveries.  Some are mostly traders, buying goods in one port and selling in another for more.  Some spend a lot of their time crafting, which I don't do at all.

Parts of the world are gated off initially, to keep newer players out of areas that they'll get killed.  But it doesn't take that long to get access to everything; I had all of the port permits before any of my levels hit 30 (as compared to a cap of 65).  And once you do have access to everything, you still go everywhere in the world, including the starting areas.  It's not at all like games where, at level 50, you go fight in level 50 areas.  There are very few NPC ships above level 35--and remember, that's as compared to a level cap of 65.

UWO is the sort of game that you could play for a few months, and still be completely ignorant of the existence of major game mechanics that some other players will participate heavily in within their first few weeks--and not because they play more hours per day than you.  So it's actually very hard to get a good handle on what all there is to do and how it fits together.

Then again, A Tale in the Desert is like that, too, and you apparently understand enough of that to list it as a sandbox game.

I notice that EQ 1, EQ2 and Vanguard are not on the list.

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  Quizzical

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12/18/11 8:58:24 AM#22
Originally posted by username509

I notice that EQ 1, EQ2 and Vanguard are not on the list.

They're not on the original poster's list, but they did show up in replies to the thread of people suggesting games to add.  And they're very much theme park games, not sandbox, which is why they shouldn't have.

  Cik_Asalin

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12/18/11 9:47:43 AM#23

I'd include Dominus on that list; http://www.dominusthegame.com/

  Disastorm

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12/18/11 4:37:56 PM#24
Originally posted by judgex83

Everquest, Everquest 2 to a lesser extent. Asherons call, DAOC, Anarchy Online, I belive Ryzom is one aswell I cant confirm since I only played for a few hours.

Originally posted by Khrymson

Don't forget Final Fantasy XI...

 

In recernt years there has been a bit of themepark elements added, but its still a massive world of pretty much go anywhere do what ya want in whatever order with an open job/class system!

 

 

And to a lesser degree, Final Fantasy XIV could also be considered one, but it has a ton more linear direction...

I just wanted to point out to never put any of the above games in the list (except I dunno about Ryzom).  All these games are perfect examples of the opposite of sandbox so its actually pretty damn hilarious that anyone would even suggest them.

  Reizla

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6/28/12 2:43:43 PM#25
Originally posted by Disastorm
Originally posted by judgex83

Everquest, Everquest 2 to a lesser extent. Asherons call, DAOC, Anarchy Online, I belive Ryzom is one aswell I cant confirm since I only played for a few hours.

Originally posted by Khrymson

Don't forget Final Fantasy XI...

 

In recernt years there has been a bit of themepark elements added, but its still a massive world of pretty much go anywhere do what ya want in whatever order with an open job/class system!

 

 

And to a lesser degree, Final Fantasy XIV could also be considered one, but it has a ton more linear direction...

I just wanted to point out to never put any of the above games in the list (except I dunno about Ryzom).  All these games are perfect examples of the opposite of sandbox so its actually pretty damn hilarious that anyone would even suggest them.

When ppl speak of sandboxes, I always miss Lineage II in the list. Though not a fullblood sandbox, it's no real themepark either. Most of all, the political system (castle sieges, territory wars) are the real sandbox features there. Also char progression is semi-sandbox since you can take 3 extra subclasses (thugh heavily limites with GOddess of Destruction).

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  HappyFunBall

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1/14/13 10:14:53 AM#26
Originally posted by MMOExposed
You forgot the secret world. Also a few Asian sandbox MMO as well, actually many you forgot.

Secret World is a themepark, not even close to a sandbox

 

  HappyFunBall

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1/14/13 10:23:20 AM#27
Originally posted by Deolus

My understanding of sandbox is that you can go off and do your own thing. Free to explore the world at your leisure and gain experience no matter where you are: eg: UO, Eve, Ryzom (I think)

So my understanding may be wrong so please enlighten me :)

But, looking at your list I would add Vanguard at least.

 

 

Pretty much, yes.  You aren't tied to one starter area, then have to move to the next, then the next, then the next, like almost all Asian grinders.  A game that let's you choose different starter areas doesn't make it a sandbox though.

In a sandbox game you can wander off and explore the world, and the game may or may not have quests.  Having quests doesn't preclude the game from being a sandbox game like many like to think.

A sandbox does NOT require FFA PVP with full loot.  That's a HUGE misconception of what a sandbox is.  Game designers still argue about this one, as well as the players.

Sandbox games usually have no zoning, with a fully explorable world.. in other words, no instances.  Everyone is in the same player space, but they could also be in a dungeon, but that dungeon is not an instance.  Anyone can enter it.

Sandbox games usually have a great deal of crafting as well, as well as many skills you can build on.  A sandbox can be level based, or skill based.

In general, you do whatever you feel like doing in a sandbox.  You don't have to follow a set path that the game designers have constrained for you.

 

 

  Loktofeit

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1/14/13 10:29:42 AM#28

Here's a good list to reference: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/349518

 

There's no one definition for 'sandbox' so one list is as good as any other as long as their particular selection criteria is included as well. 

 

Nice work, sandboxer.

 

  hockeyplayr

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1/14/13 10:32:28 AM#29
Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

I'd include Dominus on that list; http://www.dominusthegame.com/

dominus got canned extremely close to release didn't it?

  MadnessRealm

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1/14/13 10:37:54 AM#30

We've had a thread running for a while that compiled a list of sandboxes. Probably worth to look into.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/349518

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  HappyFunBall

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1/14/13 8:59:51 PM#31
Originally posted by hockeyplayr
Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

I'd include Dominus on that list; http://www.dominusthegame.com/

dominus got canned extremely close to release didn't it?

 

It seems that way.  Their web site won't load.

Funny, I wanted to try two other games I found in this thread, and it was a no go with either of them.

I went to the Dawntide website, and when I tried to make an account (apply for open beta), after typing in all the standard stuff and pressing the "Create Master Account" button, the website gives me an error:

"Failed to connect to mysql server for game account."

Looks like they got to fix their database connection.

Then I tried Islands of War, and that site says it's down for maintenance, and it's been down all day... if not much longer.

Oh well.

 

  JayFiveAlive

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1/14/13 9:35:59 PM#32
Originally posted by HappyFunBall
Originally posted by hockeyplayr
Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

I'd include Dominus on that list; http://www.dominusthegame.com/

dominus got canned extremely close to release didn't it?

 

It seems that way.  Their web site won't load.

Funny, I wanted to try two other games I found in this thread, and it was a no go with either of them.

I went to the Dawntide website, and when I tried to make an account (apply for open beta), after typing in all the standard stuff and pressing the "Create Master Account" button, the website gives me an error:

"Failed to connect to mysql server for game account."

Looks like they got to fix their database connection.

Then I tried Islands of War, and that site says it's down for maintenance, and it's been down all day... if not much longer.

Oh well.

 

Dawntide is gone - it hasn't been in development for over a year i don't think and pretty sure they closed up.

  HappyFunBall

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1/15/13 10:55:27 AM#33

Ok, thanks.  Looks like the 3 games I tried are all dead.

Sadly, the many sandbox games in the list I did try, well, suck.

That's not being mean either.. I mean, these games are TERRIBLE.  The graphics, sound effects, character models, animation, engine, mechanics, design, etc, all terrible.  I feel like they are the level of a few high school of college kids working on a school project.  I majored in Computer Science, and took Graphics for my "project sequence" as they label there, and many of the projects submitted by just 1 student were of better quality than most of these games.

I've been looking for a AAA sandbox for YEARS now.  Actually, *many* years.

I think they CAN make money, instead of the endless themeparks that get produced, and end up going bankrupt, losing over 50% of their player base in 2 month, then going F2P just to keep afloat.

Why can't investors, and a company put together a AAA sandbox game?  There's such a vacuum for one, and I know there are countless players who would pay for it, even a sub.  One example, Ultima Online.  It's STILL alive after what, 15 years??  Long after so many themeparks have bit the dust.  But still, no company wants to pony up and develop one.  I think it still exists because there's no upgrade path for lovers of that game, and lovers of sandbox games.  It still is sub-based and still makes money.  I wish game developers, publishers, and investors would wake up.  The market is simply saturated with themeparks and just about every one I've seen come out in the last 5 years went downhill just 2-3 months after release.

 

 

  Grixxitt

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1/15/13 11:38:49 AM#34

Darkfall has been closed down for months. 

It's sequel, Darkfall:Unholy Wars is in early beta testing and should be released in a few months.

 

Also, there are a bunch of emulators for previous sandbox titles, but we can't discuss those on this sight.

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  bcbully

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1/15/13 11:47:44 AM#35
A... Age of Wushu. AAA Sandbox with 20 million players in China, and in beta here must be on your list.
  Benedikt

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1/15/13 11:59:37 AM#36
Originally posted by bcbully
A... Age of Wushu. AAA Sandbox with 20 million players in China, and in beta here must be on your list.

which actually doesnt seem to be much sandboxy more like normal themepark with 1 or 2 "sandbox" features :)

  bcbully

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1/15/13 12:33:14 PM#37
Originally posted by Benedikt
Originally posted by bcbully
A... Age of Wushu. AAA Sandbox with 20 million players in China, and in beta here must be on your list.

which actually doesnt seem to be much sandboxy more like normal themepark with 1 or 2 "sandbox" features :)

It only has 1 or 2 themepark features...quest you never have to do after the first couple hours(tutorial)m and dungeons that you never have to do at all. The ONLY thing you don't have is terra-forming, and personal housing. You have open world guild housing though.

 

There is not a game on the market that gives players more freedom than AoW, and EVE. Not even close. Seriously Ben, that was silly post.

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