I dont understand how some people can be so dam annoying. I understand this is a forum, and people come here to post their thoughts and opinions but it is just so hard to sit here to read and learn about a game that some may actually enjoy with all these individuals spending their afternoons and evenings just bashing a game that is trying to grow. I bought the CE for FFXIV and I was so upset at square for releasing a half assed game. But my god the game has been free for 1 YEAR. Any other company would of shut down by now and not have a complete plan which is dedicated to rereleasing the game. Ya they are asking for money on the 6th. How is this a problem? You either pay the steep $9 charge that they are asking or go play WoW or Guild Wars 2.  They have apologized, they have shown dedication, the game is 100X more enjoyable then it was at launch and probably one of the most interesting MMOS i have played since FFXI itself. It has a different feel, its not a trash themepark remake and I enjoy it. It needs work, and lots of it, but all MMOS do, and all MMOS grow and change everyday. You dont like the game thats fine. You had an entire year to vent and whine. But shut your mouths now and let these forums be a place where people who have decided to pay money come for information instead of dividing the forums into people who hate or enjoy the game. I am no Square fanboy I just enjoy the combat, the music, and the world that FFXIV has to offer because its not a clone of any other game. They will fix it. Now you better check yourselves, before you wreck yourselves.

PS. I wrote this on my android while i was on the toilet. TY

Originally posted by Battag

 

PS. I wrote this on my android while i was on the toilet. TY

So, basically, you are telling us the game IS worth a shit to you?  Hahahahahahahaha

Originally posted by Lohdown

Originally posted by Battag

 

PS. I wrote this on my android while i was on the toilet. TY

 

So, basically, you are telling us the game IS worth a shit to you?  Hahahahahahahaha

+1

Originally posted by Battag

I dont understand how some people can be so dam annoying. I understand this is a forum, and people come here to post their thoughts and opinions but it is just so hard to sit here to read and learn about a game that some may actually enjoy with all these individuals spending their afternoons and evenings just bashing a game that is trying to grow. I bought the CE for FFXIV and I was so upset at square for releasing a half assed game. But my god the game has been free for 1 YEAR. Any other company would of shut down by now and not have a complete plan which is dedicated to rereleasing the game. Ya they are asking for money on the 6th. How is this a problem? You either pay the steep $9 charge that they are asking or go play WoW or Guild Wars 2.  They have apologized, they have shown dedication, the game is 100X more enjoyable then it was at launch and probably one of the most interesting MMOS i have played since FFXI itself. It has a different feel, its not a trash themepark remake and I enjoy it. It needs work, and lots of it, but all MMOS do, and all MMOS grow and change everyday. You dont like the game thats fine. You had an entire year to vent and whine. But shut your mouths now and let these forums be a place where people who have decided to pay money come for information instead of dividing the forums into people who hate or enjoy the game. I am no Square fanboy I just enjoy the combat, the music, and the world that FFXIV has to offer because its not a clone of any other game. They will fix it. Now you better check yourselves, before you wreck yourselves.

PS. I wrote this on my android while i was on the toilet. TY

1. Everything you could expect to learn from this thread, is revealed in the title.

2. Your "contribution" to the information discussions is telling us to shut our mouths. Check ourselves? Right back at you.

Originally posted by Zookz1

Originally posted by Draron

Originally posted by Borecc

There will stay no people @their servers. This leads nowhere. Who would pay for such junk. Only complete fanboys who re defending this pile of no-game at all cost.

A poll on the official forums have 3/4th of the players staying after the fee. And I'm no fanboy, thus your theory is disproven.

 

Did you also see the thread where people are posting server populations found with the new LFG tool? The highest number reported thus far was on Selbina during NA primetime. The number was 941. Some of the more unfortunate servers are reporting numbers anywhere from 200-500. This is right after a huge patch. These numbers are going to go down come Jan. That paints a pretty grim picture for the next few months. So, 3/4 of the polled players may be staying, but when server pops are already so low, it doesn't mean a whole lot.

A few people on notoriously low pop servers reported 300-700 people online at one time (I know of not one server on that thread that didn't at least breach 600 once even though only a handful of people were running searches, and those numbers are hardly definitive or accurate for the total population across all timezones).

The number on Selbina was 1400+ I know because I posted it, and no one ever said that was the "highest".  Yes it is right after a patch, but it is also right after the launch of another MMO and close to Christmas when many are traveling, many are busy with end of year work, and those in school are finishing finals.

Anyways Selbina's population is just fine.  We have had server queues since patch, and the new content areas are extremely crowded at nearly all hours of the day.  But keep telling yourself the game is dead if it makes you feel justified in coming here to bash it constantly.

For those who are interested the latest letter is up and includes a preview of the AF armor/jobs coming in 1.21 (February):

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/33685?p=490995#post490995

Originally posted by Murugan

Originally posted by Zookz1

Originally posted by Draron

Originally posted by Borecc

There will stay no people @their servers. This leads nowhere. Who would pay for such junk. Only complete fanboys who re defending this pile of no-game at all cost.

A poll on the official forums have 3/4th of the players staying after the fee. And I'm no fanboy, thus your theory is disproven.

 

Did you also see the thread where people are posting server populations found with the new LFG tool? The highest number reported thus far was on Selbina during NA primetime. The number was 941. Some of the more unfortunate servers are reporting numbers anywhere from 200-500. This is right after a huge patch. These numbers are going to go down come Jan. That paints a pretty grim picture for the next few months. So, 3/4 of the polled players may be staying, but when server pops are already so low, it doesn't mean a whole lot.

A few people on notoriously low pop servers reported 300-700 people online at one time (I know of not one server on that thread that didn't at least breach 600 once even though only a handful of people were running searches, and those numbers are hardly definitive or accurate for the total population across all timezones).

 

The number on Selbina was 1400+ I know because I posted it, and no one ever said that was the "highest".  Yes it is right after a patch, but it is also right after the launch of another MMO and close to Christmas when many are traveling, many are busy with end of year work, and those in school are finishing finals.

 

Anyways Selbina's population is just fine.  We have had server queues since patch, and the new content areas are extremely crowded at nearly all hours of the day.  But keep telling yourself the game is dead if it makes you feel justified in coming here to bash it constantly.

 

Meanwhile they're planning server merges.

why so much hate on the game?

Originally posted by Battag

why so much hate on the game?

Because the game is still awful 15 months after launch.

Originally posted by Zookz1

Originally posted by Battag

why so much hate on the game?

 

Because the game is still awful 15 months after launch.

 im currently playing the game and i really dont see how people call it awful? Am I to stupid to see the games faults? Maybe im not high enough in level? From what I remember FFXI was not that big of a smashing hit when it first got launched. NA didnt get the game until 1 year of its launch in Japan and it was released with an expansion so im sure that FFXI had just a terrible launch as XIV. Now im not saying that releasing a game in half assed condition is alright by any means. In the current era of MMOS and how many come out if a company wants to maintain its fanbase it is espically important to get it off the ground in a playable stable manner. Just because the company is Square doesnt give them right to take advantage of its customers. I unfortunatley was one of the individuals who had purchased the CE for its full price. I was very dissapointed. What else would you like square to do though? Many other companies would of trashed the game by now, opened up an item shop and gone down that path. Square had to train an entire new team, come up with an entire new gameplan, fire and hire producers, change combat completely, practically rebuild the game from the ground up, made it f2p for more then a year, and to me personally have made many new changes that are satisfying. Many people may not like the game and I guess i can understand because of the sour taste in their mouths from the launch, but I dont see to many issues anymore. Square has said themselves that they will continue to support the game and it will be rerelased for the ps3 as version 2.0. I find it very fun and refreshing.

Originally posted by Battag

Originally posted by Zookz1

Originally posted by Battag

why so much hate on the game?

 

Because the game is still awful 15 months after launch.

 im currently playing the game and i really dont see how people call it awful? Am I to stupid to see the games faults? Maybe im not high enough in level? From what I remember FFXI was not that big of a smashing hit when it first got launched. NA didnt get the game until 1 year of its launch in Japan and it was released with an expansion so im sure that FFXI had just a terrible launch as XIV. Now im not saying that releasing a game in half assed condition is alright by any means. In the current era of MMOS and how many come out if a company wants to maintain its fanbase it is espically important to get it off the ground in a playable stable manner. Just because the company is Square doesnt give them right to take advantage of its customers. I unfortunatley was one of the individuals who had purchased the CE for its full price. I was very dissapointed. What else would you like square to do though? Many other companies would of trashed the game by now, opened up an item shop and gone down that path. Square had to train an entire new team, come up with an entire new gameplan, fire and hire producers, change combat completely, practically rebuild the game from the ground up, made it f2p for more then a year, and to me personally have made many new changes that are satisfying. Many people may not like the game and I guess i can understand because of the sour taste in their mouths from the launch, but I dont see to many issues anymore. Square has said themselves that they will continue to support the game and it will be rerelased for the ps3 as version 2.0. I find it very fun and refreshing.

One man's trash is another man's treasure. I don't have the time or will to go over why I think the game is awful. It's all been said before.

Originally posted by Battag

Originally posted by Zookz1

Originally posted by Battag

why so much hate on the game?

 

Because the game is still awful 15 months after launch.

 im currently playing the game and i really dont see how people call it awful? Am I to stupid to see the games faults? Maybe im not high enough in level? From what I remember FFXI was not that big of a smashing hit when it first got launched. NA didnt get the game until 1 year of its launch in Japan and it was released with an expansion so im sure that FFXI had just a terrible launch as XIV. Now im not saying that releasing a game in half assed condition is alright by any means. In the current era of MMOS and how many come out if a company wants to maintain its fanbase it is espically important to get it off the ground in a playable stable manner. Just because the company is Square doesnt give them right to take advantage of its customers. I unfortunatley was one of the individuals who had purchased the CE for its full price. I was very dissapointed. What else would you like square to do though? Many other companies would of trashed the game by now, opened up an item shop and gone down that path. Square had to train an entire new team, come up with an entire new gameplan, fire and hire producers, change combat completely, practically rebuild the game from the ground up, made it f2p for more then a year, and to me personally have made many new changes that are satisfying. Many people may not like the game and I guess i can understand because of the sour taste in their mouths from the launch, but I dont see to many issues anymore. Square has said themselves that they will continue to support the game and it will be rerelased for the ps3 as version 2.0. I find it very fun and refreshing.

Not likely...

I predict a whole new generation of players listing the same complaints.

Why would anyone PAY to play for this game, when there are so many MMOs that are better, cheaper, and some are FTP.

The excuses you listed, are beyond forgivable seeing it's been past the year-mark and "not ready yet" or "they are training a whole new team" doesn't cut it.

Originally posted by FleshMask

Originally posted by Battag

Originally posted by Zookz1

Originally posted by Battag

why so much hate on the game?

 

Because the game is still awful 15 months after launch.

 im currently playing the game and i really dont see how people call it awful? Am I to stupid to see the games faults? Maybe im not high enough in level? From what I remember FFXI was not that big of a smashing hit when it first got launched. NA didnt get the game until 1 year of its launch in Japan and it was released with an expansion so im sure that FFXI had just a terrible launch as XIV. Now im not saying that releasing a game in half assed condition is alright by any means. In the current era of MMOS and how many come out if a company wants to maintain its fanbase it is espically important to get it off the ground in a playable stable manner. Just because the company is Square doesnt give them right to take advantage of its customers. I unfortunatley was one of the individuals who had purchased the CE for its full price. I was very dissapointed. What else would you like square to do though? Many other companies would of trashed the game by now, opened up an item shop and gone down that path. Square had to train an entire new team, come up with an entire new gameplan, fire and hire producers, change combat completely, practically rebuild the game from the ground up, made it f2p for more then a year, and to me personally have made many new changes that are satisfying. Many people may not like the game and I guess i can understand because of the sour taste in their mouths from the launch, but I dont see to many issues anymore. Square has said themselves that they will continue to support the game and it will be rerelased for the ps3 as version 2.0. I find it very fun and refreshing.

Not likely...

I predict a whole new generation of players listing the same complaints.

Why would anyone PAY to play for this game, when there are so many MMOs that are better, cheaper, and some are FTP.

The excuses you listed, are beyond forgivable seeing it's been past the year-mark and "not ready yet" or "they are training a whole new team" doesn't cut it.

What was that again "There are so many MMOs that are better??? Really? What MMOs elaborate cause all I see in the market are WoWlike games and only one that looks close to FFXI is FFXIV and actually with my super PC you can't find even single players that look as good as FFXIV. I'm enjoing this game is better then the clones, it's a game that differs from all those copy/paste so called games. 

Originally posted by Battag

I dont understand how some people can be so dam annoying. I understand this is a forum, and people come here to post their thoughts and opinions but it is just so hard to sit here to read and learn about a game that some may actually enjoy with all these individuals spending their afternoons and evenings just bashing a game that is trying to grow. I bought the CE for FFXIV and I was so upset at square for releasing a half assed game. But my god the game has been free for 1 YEAR. Any other company would of shut down by now and not have a complete plan which is dedicated to rereleasing the game. Ya they are asking for money on the 6th. How is this a problem? You either pay the steep $9 charge that they are asking or go play WoW or Guild Wars 2.  They have apologized, they have shown dedication, the game is 100X more enjoyable then it was at launch and probably one of the most interesting MMOS i have played since FFXI itself. It has a different feel, its not a trash themepark remake and I enjoy it. It needs work, and lots of it, but all MMOS do, and all MMOS grow and change everyday. You dont like the game thats fine. You had an entire year to vent and whine. But shut your mouths now and let these forums be a place where people who have decided to pay money come for information instead of dividing the forums into people who hate or enjoy the game. I am no Square fanboy I just enjoy the combat, the music, and the world that FFXIV has to offer because its not a clone of any other game. They will fix it. Now you better check yourselves, before you wreck yourselves.

PS. I wrote this on my android while i was on the toilet. TY

Well, the thing is that there is a time limit on how long time after launch a game can be forgiven. 

Vanguard is an excellent game with almost no players since it launched in such bad shape to mention another game.

Sure, it was the right thing to do to let people play a year for free but they really shouldn't had release the game when they did, they shouldn't even had released it now.

MMO players don't forgive such misstakes and the only large game around with a bad launch is Eve, and that is mainly because most people didn't even hear about it until the game was fixed up.

Once Square realized their misstake they have been handling the whole thing good but I am just not sure that is enough. A lot of people will quit now and chanses are that the game never will see the 2.0 which is how it should have been released in the first time.

There is no worse sin for a MMO than releasing far too early. The only hope now is a rerelease when the game is ready.

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Battag

I dont understand how some people can be so dam annoying. I understand this is a forum, and people come here to post their thoughts and opinions but it is just so hard to sit here to read and learn about a game that some may actually enjoy with all these individuals spending their afternoons and evenings just bashing a game that is trying to grow. I bought the CE for FFXIV and I was so upset at square for releasing a half assed game. But my god the game has been free for 1 YEAR. Any other company would of shut down by now and not have a complete plan which is dedicated to rereleasing the game. Ya they are asking for money on the 6th. How is this a problem? You either pay the steep $9 charge that they are asking or go play WoW or Guild Wars 2.  They have apologized, they have shown dedication, the game is 100X more enjoyable then it was at launch and probably one of the most interesting MMOS i have played since FFXI itself. It has a different feel, its not a trash themepark remake and I enjoy it. It needs work, and lots of it, but all MMOS do, and all MMOS grow and change everyday. You dont like the game thats fine. You had an entire year to vent and whine. But shut your mouths now and let these forums be a place where people who have decided to pay money come for information instead of dividing the forums into people who hate or enjoy the game. I am no Square fanboy I just enjoy the combat, the music, and the world that FFXIV has to offer because its not a clone of any other game. They will fix it. Now you better check yourselves, before you wreck yourselves.

PS. I wrote this on my android while i was on the toilet. TY

Well, the thing is that there is a time limit on how long time after launch a game can be forgiven. 

Vanguard is an excellent game with almost no players since it launched in such bad shape to mention another game.

Sure, it was the right thing to do to let people play a year for free but they really shouldn't had release the game when they did, they shouldn't even had released it now.

MMO players don't forgive such misstakes and the only large game around with a bad launch is Eve, and that is mainly because most people didn't even hear about it until the game was fixed up.

Once Square realized their misstake they have been handling the whole thing good but I am just not sure that is enough. A lot of people will quit now and chanses are that the game never will see the 2.0 which is how it should have been released in the first time.

There is no worse sin for a MMO than releasing far too early. The only hope now is a rerelease when the game is ready.

Originally posted by RedKatana

Originally posted by FleshMask

Originally posted by Battag

Originally posted by Zookz1

Originally posted by Battag

why so much hate on the game?

 

Because the game is still awful 15 months after launch.

 im currently playing the game and i really dont see how people call it awful? Am I to stupid to see the games faults? Maybe im not high enough in level? From what I remember FFXI was not that big of a smashing hit when it first got launched. NA didnt get the game until 1 year of its launch in Japan and it was released with an expansion so im sure that FFXI had just a terrible launch as XIV. Now im not saying that releasing a game in half assed condition is alright by any means. In the current era of MMOS and how many come out if a company wants to maintain its fanbase it is espically important to get it off the ground in a playable stable manner. Just because the company is Square doesnt give them right to take advantage of its customers. I unfortunatley was one of the individuals who had purchased the CE for its full price. I was very dissapointed. What else would you like square to do though? Many other companies would of trashed the game by now, opened up an item shop and gone down that path. Square had to train an entire new team, come up with an entire new gameplan, fire and hire producers, change combat completely, practically rebuild the game from the ground up, made it f2p for more then a year, and to me personally have made many new changes that are satisfying. Many people may not like the game and I guess i can understand because of the sour taste in their mouths from the launch, but I dont see to many issues anymore. Square has said themselves that they will continue to support the game and it will be rerelased for the ps3 as version 2.0. I find it very fun and refreshing.

Not likely...

I predict a whole new generation of players listing the same complaints.

Why would anyone PAY to play for this game, when there are so many MMOs that are better, cheaper, and some are FTP.

The excuses you listed, are beyond forgivable seeing it's been past the year-mark and "not ready yet" or "they are training a whole new team" doesn't cut it.

What was that again "There are so many MMOs that are better??? Really? What MMOs elaborate cause all I see in the market are WoWlike games and only one that looks close to FFXI is FFXIV and actually with my super PC you can't find even single players that look as good as FFXIV. I'm enjoing this game is better then the clones, it's a game that differs from all those copy/paste so called games. 

LOL

It's funny you mention Copy and Paste... FFXIV Terrains are all about Copy and Paste... http://youtu.be/La9nLBfH44c Here you go.

And for WOW clones, FFXIV tried that stunt day one... Click click click attacks and lagging at it.... it failed at being a WOW-clone as well...

Which probably doesn't bother you since you like playing WOW-clones enough to post it on your profile, and you are waiting for Guild Wars 2 (another wow-clone).

Originally posted by FleshMask

Originally posted by RedKatana

Originally posted by FleshMask

Originally posted by Battag

Originally posted by Zookz1

Originally posted by Battag

why so much hate on the game?

 

Because the game is still awful 15 months after launch.

 im currently playing the game and i really dont see how people call it awful? Am I to stupid to see the games faults? Maybe im not high enough in level? From what I remember FFXI was not that big of a smashing hit when it first got launched. NA didnt get the game until 1 year of its launch in Japan and it was released with an expansion so im sure that FFXI had just a terrible launch as XIV. Now im not saying that releasing a game in half assed condition is alright by any means. In the current era of MMOS and how many come out if a company wants to maintain its fanbase it is espically important to get it off the ground in a playable stable manner. Just because the company is Square doesnt give them right to take advantage of its customers. I unfortunatley was one of the individuals who had purchased the CE for its full price. I was very dissapointed. What else would you like square to do though? Many other companies would of trashed the game by now, opened up an item shop and gone down that path. Square had to train an entire new team, come up with an entire new gameplan, fire and hire producers, change combat completely, practically rebuild the game from the ground up, made it f2p for more then a year, and to me personally have made many new changes that are satisfying. Many people may not like the game and I guess i can understand because of the sour taste in their mouths from the launch, but I dont see to many issues anymore. Square has said themselves that they will continue to support the game and it will be rerelased for the ps3 as version 2.0. I find it very fun and refreshing.

Not likely...

I predict a whole new generation of players listing the same complaints.

Why would anyone PAY to play for this game, when there are so many MMOs that are better, cheaper, and some are FTP.

The excuses you listed, are beyond forgivable seeing it's been past the year-mark and "not ready yet" or "they are training a whole new team" doesn't cut it.

What was that again "There are so many MMOs that are better??? Really? What MMOs elaborate cause all I see in the market are WoWlike games and only one that looks close to FFXI is FFXIV and actually with my super PC you can't find even single players that look as good as FFXIV. I'm enjoing this game is better then the clones, it's a game that differs from all those copy/paste so called games. 

LOL

It's funny you mention Copy and Paste... FFXIV Terrains are all about Copy and Paste... http://youtu.be/La9nLBfH44c Here you go.

And for WOW clones, FFXIV tried that stunt day one... Click click click attacks and lagging at it.... it failed at being a WOW-clone as well...

Which probably doesn't bother you since you like playing WOW-clones enough to post it on your profile, and you are waiting for Guild Wars 2 (another wow-clone).

I've never hard anyone equate being a WoW-clone with ability based combat (meaning skills/abilities/spells etc.), so congratulations for being the first.  I generally would just call that "RPG combat", and any RPG's that use other systems action hybrids (you know click click click click click click click *still clicking the same thing while running in circles and jumping around like a dork which is all "action combat really is*)

I would point out however that the combo and TP system makes it quite a bit different from WoW in that regard.

WoW-clone=soulless quest grinder for casuals w/ soulless gear grind raid game for hardcores.

Originally posted by Murugan

Originally posted by FleshMask

Originally posted by RedKatana

Originally posted by FleshMask

Originally posted by Battag

Originally posted by Zookz1

Originally posted by Battag

why so much hate on the game?

 

Because the game is still awful 15 months after launch.

 im currently playing the game and i really dont see how people call it awful? Am I to stupid to see the games faults? Maybe im not high enough in level? From what I remember FFXI was not that big of a smashing hit when it first got launched. NA didnt get the game until 1 year of its launch in Japan and it was released with an expansion so im sure that FFXI had just a terrible launch as XIV. Now im not saying that releasing a game in half assed condition is alright by any means. In the current era of MMOS and how many come out if a company wants to maintain its fanbase it is espically important to get it off the ground in a playable stable manner. Just because the company is Square doesnt give them right to take advantage of its customers. I unfortunatley was one of the individuals who had purchased the CE for its full price. I was very dissapointed. What else would you like square to do though? Many other companies would of trashed the game by now, opened up an item shop and gone down that path. Square had to train an entire new team, come up with an entire new gameplan, fire and hire producers, change combat completely, practically rebuild the game from the ground up, made it f2p for more then a year, and to me personally have made many new changes that are satisfying. Many people may not like the game and I guess i can understand because of the sour taste in their mouths from the launch, but I dont see to many issues anymore. Square has said themselves that they will continue to support the game and it will be rerelased for the ps3 as version 2.0. I find it very fun and refreshing.

Not likely...

I predict a whole new generation of players listing the same complaints.

Why would anyone PAY to play for this game, when there are so many MMOs that are better, cheaper, and some are FTP.

The excuses you listed, are beyond forgivable seeing it's been past the year-mark and "not ready yet" or "they are training a whole new team" doesn't cut it.

What was that again "There are so many MMOs that are better??? Really? What MMOs elaborate cause all I see in the market are WoWlike games and only one that looks close to FFXI is FFXIV and actually with my super PC you can't find even single players that look as good as FFXIV. I'm enjoing this game is better then the clones, it's a game that differs from all those copy/paste so called games. 

LOL

It's funny you mention Copy and Paste... FFXIV Terrains are all about Copy and Paste... http://youtu.be/La9nLBfH44c Here you go.

And for WOW clones, FFXIV tried that stunt day one... Click click click attacks and lagging at it.... it failed at being a WOW-clone as well...

Which probably doesn't bother you since you like playing WOW-clones enough to post it on your profile, and you are waiting for Guild Wars 2 (another wow-clone).

I've never hard anyone equate being a WoW-clone with ability based combat (meaning skills/abilities/spells etc.), so congratulations for being the first.  I generally would just call that "RPG combat", and any RPG's that use other systems action hybrids (you know click click click click click click click *still clicking the same thing while running in circles and jumping around like a dork which is all "action combat really is*)

 

I would point out however that the combo and TP system makes it quite a bit different from WoW in that regard.

 

 

WoW-clone=soulless quest grinder for casuals w/ soulless gear grind raid game for hardcores.

FFXIV: soulless leve grinder where you repeat the same shit over and over.

FFXIV isn't a wow clone, but the combat isn't that different. It's pretty much the same "click hotbar ability" system. Not necessarily something bad, but FFXIV's combat isn't unique.

And before you go on about sidequests, like you did in another thread:

There are more sidequests in Elwynn than FFXIV total. And btw, just about every MMO are raid gear grinders, so will FFXIV eventually be, just like FFXI was/is.

Graphics in FFXIV = great. But as flesh said, it's copy and paste. Enormous zones with almost no variations doesn't impress in the long run, even though the graphic quality is superb.

Imagine if SE decides to charge its players for all the free time they played when 2.0 hits. Now that would be somthing.

Joking aside I have not followed up this game since open beta so i have no idea of all the changes it has been going thru. maybe when 2.0 officially launches ill give it a look and see if what drove me away in open bata is still there.

Originally posted by Netspook

Originally posted by Murugan

Originally posted by FleshMask

LOL

It's funny you mention Copy and Paste... FFXIV Terrains are all about Copy and Paste... http://youtu.be/La9nLBfH44c Here you go.

And for WOW clones, FFXIV tried that stunt day one... Click click click attacks and lagging at it.... it failed at being a WOW-clone as well...

Which probably doesn't bother you since you like playing WOW-clones enough to post it on your profile, and you are waiting for Guild Wars 2 (another wow-clone).

I've never hard anyone equate being a WoW-clone with ability based combat (meaning skills/abilities/spells etc.), so congratulations for being the first.  I generally would just call that "RPG combat", and any RPG's that use other systems action hybrids (you know click click click click click click click *still clicking the same thing while running in circles and jumping around like a dork which is all "action combat really is*)

 

I would point out however that the combo and TP system makes it quite a bit different from WoW in that regard.

 

 

WoW-clone=soulless quest grinder for casuals w/ soulless gear grind raid game for hardcores.

 

FFXIV: soulless leve grinder where you repeat the same shit over and over.

FFXIV isn't a wow clone, but the combat isn't that different. It's pretty much the same "click hotbar ability" system. Not necessarily something bad, but FFXIV's combat isn't unique.

And before you go on about sidequests, like you did in another thread:

There are more sidequests in Elwynn than FFXIV total. And btw, just about every MMO are raid gear grinders, so will FFXIV eventually be, just like FFXI was/is.

Graphics in FFXIV = great. But as flesh said, it's copy and paste. Enormous zones with almost no variations doesn't impress in the long run, even though the graphic quality is superb.

No one grind guildleves.  No one has grinded guildleves since this summer.  Guildleves are purely a solo activity available for bored people to make some easy gil/xp.  However there are much better ways to do both, and most people I know regularly sit at the guildleve cap (99 available guildleves).  You clearly do not know what you are talking about, and haven't played or kept with the game for a very long time.

"click hotbar ability" is not really a WoW thing but again just an RPG thing, but let me point out that FFXIV's combat actually revolves around the combo system (1.20).  Also saying "hotbar" gives little indication of what gameplay is like in an RPG, it is the abilities that matter and I think XIV has some good ones.

FFXI was never a gear grinder.  You obviously were never in endgame there.  Loot is an objective in all MMO's, a gear grinder refers to the primacy of gear checks in endgame progression.  This was never the case in FFXI and is not the case in FFXIV.  It is taken to such extremes in games like WoW that you even have people doing multiple tiers of the same fight (normal mode and "hard mode") in order to equip themselves to pass gear checks.  Hence gear grinder.  Gear plays a role in all MMO's, but in well designed ones like XI it takes a backseat to strategy/tactics (mechanics) in its importance in progression.  I've played a lot of MMO's, always with a focus on endgame and I'll take Matsui designed encounters over anything I've seen in WoW or other post 2005 releases.

As for Graphics yes they are the best MMO's have to offer, as for copy and paste.  2.0 is the only thing that can and will address that, what else do you want?  They are redoing all the maps, and the artwork in content/areas they have added so far since this new dev team have taken over like the beastman strongholds, the primal arenas, and darkhold are all high quality.  So the two new raids and private rooms in 1.21, the Crystal Tower, Garuda arena, and Garlean empire will likely continue this trend in quality.

Strongholds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-7vGJiVtqs

Not to mention that the "Copy and paste" original design isn't quite as bad as you make it out to be: