Yeah the game doesn't run poorly.  We all know this is a troll thread, let's let it die ;).

Originally posted by aguill2

Originally posted by DarnRight

What a bunch of liars and trolls. None of what's said negatively is close to true. MMORPG just shows its typical userbase.

And some of you should be here. Skyrim is not a MMO. ROFL....

Opinions can't really be true or false. Negative opinions are, well, negative opinions. MMORPG's hardcore-fan-boy to hater ratio is about equal.

Even though Skyrim's not a MMO, it's definitely something current MMO's should aspire to resemble.

 

*Edited for grammar fail.

Skyrim does not use servers and have isses accordingly. You need to learn something about client/server enviorments.

Originally posted by Shodanas

 

Oh please, spare us the BS and don't act like you're the only one being intelligent here. The guy is a known hater, on SWTOR.com as well. Apparently he forgot that there is a post history function on these boards. The good think is that we won't see him on the official forums any more. 

I can't see how his previous post negates his recent one unless I make a bunch of negative assumptions. Making assumptions and using them as fact isn't something an intelligent person does.

Originally posted by aguill2
To the OP: You need to understand that graphics aren't everything in a MMORPG, at least to the developers. They're more interested in keeping the graphics adaptable to a wide variety of people, rather than just those with high-end computers.

Red text is the assumption I think is very wrong.

Why is it wrong?

Because, MMOs aren't a massive branch in gaming industry. FPS and SRPG games beat MMOs hands down when it comes to number of players and boxes bought. Only anomality to this is WoW and it's speculative if they have had the number of real players (sweatshops and goldsellers aren real players) they say they have.

MMO-developers are the only one that think they can get away with the above red text phrase, no other. If Skyrim or BF3 had been released without modern graphics, the devs would've been crusified.

I've thought that graphics aren't the thing that matters in games and MMOs, but lately I've been accepting the fact that times have changed and a good game needs modern graphics to be interesting. The bar has raised from medieval times.

Originally posted by DarnRight

Originally posted by aguill2

Originally posted by DarnRight

What a bunch of liars and trolls. None of what's said negatively is close to true. MMORPG just shows its typical userbase.

And some of you should be here. Skyrim is not a MMO. ROFL....

Opinions can't really be true or false. Negative opinions are, well, negative opinions. MMORPG's hardcore-fan-boy to hater ratio is about equal.

Even though Skyrim's not a MMO, it's definitely something current MMO's should aspire to resemble.

 

*Edited for grammar fail.

Skyrim does not use servers and have isses accordingly. You need to learn something about client/server enviorments.

Lol? When did I say Skyrim resembled MMOs or had servers?

Please learn to read through someone's post before bashing it.

sure put up the busted sign when its not true kinda like throwing up the mission accomplished sign george bush style

Originally posted by Pelaaja

Originally posted by aguill2
To the OP: You need to understand that graphics aren't everything in a MMORPG, at least to the developers. They're more interested in keeping the graphics adaptable to a wide variety of people, rather than just those with high-end computers.

Red text is the assumption I think is very wrong.

Why is it wrong?

Because, MMOs aren't a massive branch in gaming industry. FPS and SRPG games beat MMOs hands down when it comes to number of players and boxes bought. Only anomality to this is WoW and it's speculative if they have had the number of real players (sweatshops and goldsellers aren real players) they say they have.

MMO-developers are the only one that think they can get away with the above red text phrase, no other. If Skyrim or BF3 had been released without modern graphics, the devs would've been crusified.

I've thought that graphics aren't the thing that matters in games and MMOs, but lately I've been accepting the fact that times have changed and a good game needs modern graphics to be interesting. The bar has raised from medieval times.

You seem to share my assumption, then, since I was clearly talking about MMORPGs and not the others you had mentioned. Also, not only do MMO-developers think they can get away with it, they do.

And can you explain to me why it matters if MMOs are a massive branch in the gaming industry or not?

Originally posted by metalguy23

Went over to my friends house to play STar Wars TOR (he's sorely dissapointed in it) and I have to say WTF? Plain and simple wow is this game boring. I'm sorry but the engine is terrible (he has an I7 extreme, 8 gigs of ram, GTX580) it runs like molasses and no AA in the engine lol hello its 2011 Bioware. Wow big let down I thank my friend for saving me $60 plus $15 per month thanks man. Shame oh well. 

Having played the Beta I have to agree. I sill preordered though. Let's see how it goes...

Your friends PC is apparently broken.

Originally posted by aguill2

Originally posted by Pelaaja

Originally posted by aguill2
To the OP: You need to understand that graphics aren't everything in a MMORPG, at least to the developers. They're more interested in keeping the graphics adaptable to a wide variety of people, rather than just those with high-end computers.

Red text is the assumption I think is very wrong.

Why is it wrong?

Because, MMOs aren't a massive branch in gaming industry. FPS and SRPG games beat MMOs hands down when it comes to number of players and boxes bought. Only anomality to this is WoW and it's speculative if they have had the number of real players (sweatshops and goldsellers aren real players) they say they have.

MMO-developers are the only one that think they can get away with the above red text phrase, no other. If Skyrim or BF3 had been released without modern graphics, the devs would've been crusified.

I've thought that graphics aren't the thing that matters in games and MMOs, but lately I've been accepting the fact that times have changed and a good game needs modern graphics to be interesting. The bar has raised from medieval times.

You seem to share my assumption, then, since I was clearly talking about MMORPGs and not the others you had mentioned. Also, not only do MMO-developers think they can get away with it, they do.

 

And can you explain to me why it matters if MMOs are a massive branch in the gaming industry or not?

Yes, wide variety of people you said.

MMOs aren't for wide variety of people, they have a certain audience that is ready to shell out what ever it takes to be among the next big thing.

EDIT: Just read what I posted and felt like it needs more...

If MMOs really were a massive brance in gaming industry it would be right for them to go low on requirements. They just aren't and main branches (SRPG and FPS) dare to take it to the extreme when it comes to requirements, I think MMO devs are just underachieving.

Originally posted by Pelaaja

Originally posted by aguill2

Originally posted by Pelaaja

Originally posted by aguill2
To the OP: You need to understand that graphics aren't everything in a MMORPG, at least to the developers. They're more interested in keeping the graphics adaptable to a wide variety of people, rather than just those with high-end computers.

Red text is the assumption I think is very wrong.

Why is it wrong?

Because, MMOs aren't a massive branch in gaming industry. FPS and SRPG games beat MMOs hands down when it comes to number of players and boxes bought. Only anomality to this is WoW and it's speculative if they have had the number of real players (sweatshops and goldsellers aren real players) they say they have.

MMO-developers are the only one that think they can get away with the above red text phrase, no other. If Skyrim or BF3 had been released without modern graphics, the devs would've been crusified.

I've thought that graphics aren't the thing that matters in games and MMOs, but lately I've been accepting the fact that times have changed and a good game needs modern graphics to be interesting. The bar has raised from medieval times.

You seem to share my assumption, then, since I was clearly talking about MMORPGs and not the others you had mentioned. Also, not only do MMO-developers think they can get away with it, they do.

 

And can you explain to me why it matters if MMOs are a massive branch in the gaming industry or not?

Yes, wide variety of people you said.

MMOs aren't for wide variety of people, they have a certain audience that is ready to shell out what ever it takes to be among the next big thing.

 

EDIT: Just read what I posted and felt like it needs more...

If MMOs really were a massive brance in gaming industry it would be right for them to go low on requirements. They just aren't and main branches (SRPG and FPS) dare to take it to the extreme when it comes to requirements, I think MMO devs are just underachieving.

I get where you're coming from now; you've misunderstood what I was trying to say.

The "wide variety of people" should have been worded better, but I meant that they catered to people who couldn't afford a high-end system or didn't have any need to since they didn't do much hardcore PC gaming. This allows for a bigger subscriber base.

They aren't underachieving at all, they're just marketing it to as many people as they can without requiring someone to dump a few hundred bucks on hardware upgrades.

Originally posted by aguill2

Originally posted by Pelaaja

Originally posted by aguill2

Originally posted by Pelaaja

Originally posted by aguill2
To the OP: You need to understand that graphics aren't everything in a MMORPG, at least to the developers. They're more interested in keeping the graphics adaptable to a wide variety of people, rather than just those with high-end computers.

Red text is the assumption I think is very wrong.

Why is it wrong?

Because, MMOs aren't a massive branch in gaming industry. FPS and SRPG games beat MMOs hands down when it comes to number of players and boxes bought. Only anomality to this is WoW and it's speculative if they have had the number of real players (sweatshops and goldsellers aren real players) they say they have.

MMO-developers are the only one that think they can get away with the above red text phrase, no other. If Skyrim or BF3 had been released without modern graphics, the devs would've been crusified.

I've thought that graphics aren't the thing that matters in games and MMOs, but lately I've been accepting the fact that times have changed and a good game needs modern graphics to be interesting. The bar has raised from medieval times.

You seem to share my assumption, then, since I was clearly talking about MMORPGs and not the others you had mentioned. Also, not only do MMO-developers think they can get away with it, they do.

 

And can you explain to me why it matters if MMOs are a massive branch in the gaming industry or not?

Yes, wide variety of people you said.

MMOs aren't for wide variety of people, they have a certain audience that is ready to shell out what ever it takes to be among the next big thing.

 

EDIT: Just read what I posted and felt like it needs more...

If MMOs really were a massive brance in gaming industry it would be right for them to go low on requirements. They just aren't and main branches (SRPG and FPS) dare to take it to the extreme when it comes to requirements, I think MMO devs are just underachieving.

I get where you're coming from now; you've misunderstood what I was trying to say.

 

The "wide variety of people" should have been worded better, but I meant that they catered to people who couldn't afford a high-end system or didn't have any need to since they didn't do much hardcore PC gaming. This allows for a bigger subscriber base.

 

They aren't underachieving at all, they're just marketing it to as many people as they can without requiring someone to dump a few hundred bucks on hardware upgrades.

Ok, consensus reached here.

I said they're underachieving because I didn't want to think they're after the money of the poor.

Everything was talking against it to me:

1. it costs more than non-subscription games (BF3 cost about 36€) to buy
2. It has monthly fee that is more or equal to other P2P games

Originally posted by wowfan1996

How come it surprised you so much? Everything on SW:TOR screenshots always looked like plastic crap.

I swear this guy posts on every SWTOR thread. We get it ok. you don't like the game thats cool.

On the flip a bit of advice for you... when you have a companies sack in your mouth as deep as you have blizzards in yours, keep the drool to yourself..no one else want's it.

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by sgel

sorry couldn't resist ;)

You do realize the op was just shown to be less than truthful right?

Everything he said was true even if he is a guild wars fanboi. im no fan of guild wars but i agree with what he said.

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Originally posted by 69Cuda
On the flip a bit of advice for you...

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Originally posted by wowfan1996

 

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Originally posted by 69Cuda
On the flip a bit of advice for you...

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Gotta love how fanboys always resort to personal insults when they have no arguments whatsoever.
 
/yawn

 

You were just callig people dumb for enjoying a video game and that somehow they are in this illusion that they are really enjoying it. Such irony.

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Originally posted by onthestick
You were just callig people dumb for enjoying a video game and that somehow they are in this illusion that they are really enjoying it.

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Like you correctly observed, I called "people" dumb, not someone in particular. Ergo it's not a personal insult. Besides, I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what so new and revolutionary SW:TOR brought to MMO genre except VO. Until then my assessment of people who bought this game and are oh so excited about it is just common sense.
 

Originally posted by wowfan1996

 

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Originally posted by onthestick
You were just callig people dumb for enjoying a video game and that somehow they are in this illusion that they are really enjoying it.

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Like you correctly observed, I called "people" dumb, not someone in particular. Ergo it's not a personal insult. Besides, I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what so new and revolutionary SW:TOR brought to MMO genre except VO. Until then my assessment of people who bought this game is just common sense.

 

Yep you only generalised a large number of people you personally do not know only on basis of their taste which differes from yours and labeled them as 'dumb'... so that gives you an excuse to insult because hey it is not personal.

complaining about a game/people who play it doesnt make anyone better/worse so.. play/dont play whathever  you like, end of discussion.