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  StonesDK

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Joined: 8/06/11
Posts: 1831

9/22/11 9:01:01 AM#41
Originally posted by Zeppelin4

I'm confused by all these posts about Diablo 3.  I can play Diablo 3 the same way I played Diablo 2. I login to bnet, make a private server, invite friends and or family and enjoy. The real money AH does not effect me one bit. The only complaint I can see that is valid is the online play only. What I find strange about these complaints here is this site is about online gaming which requires a internet connection. :P

People are always going to care about what others do one way or another regardless if you understand it or not. Reason for that is simple. People like to compete over things you may deem silly or looser'ish. If person A likes to be the guy with the biggest sword over everybody else. He is going to be mighty upset that  guy B can just spend 5 bucks to get that same sword. Then he no longer has bragging rights of spending a month obtaining something that other guy just got within 10 seconds.

 

Why should he care? because he likes to compare and contrast to others, based on his ability to spend endless time farming certain items, then reaping the reward by joining public games and one shotting everything, hoping at least 1 guy will send him a tell about how awesome that was

 

In case it wasn't obvious, I'm mocking the simple minded view of those that don't understand why people are upset about this. The truth is there are several reasons why, not necessarily in relation to strutting your e-peen along side other players

  Xzen

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9/22/11 9:01:17 AM#42
Originally posted by thedarkess

Does Diablo 3 have monthly fees or its just 50$ and play4ever?

Just need to buy it. No monthly sub.

  lizardbones

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I've become dependent upon spell check. My apologies for stupid grammatical errors.

9/22/11 9:10:28 AM#43


Originally posted by Starpower


Originally posted by Zeppelin4
I'm confused by all these posts about Diablo 3.  I can play Diablo 3 the same way I played Diablo 2. I login to bnet, make a private server, invite friends and or family and enjoy. The real money AH does not effect me one bit. The only complaint I can see that is valid is the online play only. What I find strange about these complaints here is this site is about online gaming which requires a internet connection. :P


People are always going to care about what others do one way or another regardless if you understand it or not. Reason for that is simple. People like to compete over things you may deem silly or looser'ish. If person A likes to be the guy with the biggest sword over everybody else. He is going to be mighty upset that  guy B can just spend 5 bucks to get that same sword. Then he no longer has bragging rights of spending a month obtaining something that other guy just got within 10 seconds.
 
Why should he care? because he likes to compare and contrast to others, based on his ability to spend endless time farming certain items, then reaping the reward by joining public games and one shotting everything, hoping at least 1 guy will send him a tell about how awesome that was
 
In case it wasn't obvious, I'm mocking the simple minded view of those that don't understand why people are upset about this. The truth is there are several reasons why, not necessarily in relation to strutting your e-peen along side other players



It still seems a lot like people are complaining about what someone else is doing or going to do, when it doesn't actually affect them.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  Kabaal

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Joined: 8/02/05
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9/22/11 9:19:02 AM#44
Originally posted by Dvalon
Originally posted by Requiamer

Well i really dislike the whole idea behind the RMAH, so i'll have a wait stance about this game. At least a couple of month or more after launch.
 
It will all depend on the drop rate, fun factor versus item dependency in this game and other stuff like that. If the game is coded in such a manner that you absolutely need to go through the RMAH to get any enjoyment, then i will just pass. For example in the beta vid i saw its clear the drop rate is high, but the guys play in easy mode, there is nothing even fun to play in that mode, you are always at full health. Ye high drop rate mean nothing here since you will probably not play more than few days in that mode. Honestly i'm not even sure gamers ever use that mode, i sure never did in any game.
 
So it also depend a lot on how they split up the game between hardcore and the rest, as i assume only hardcore will really need RMAH (thats what happen in D2 at least), but assuming is not always right. You also want to know how is the hardcore mode split from the rest of the difficulty, if it is like in D2, hard coded then fine, but if they did this in an other "more subtle" manner it can cause a lot of trouble. So there are really to much questions to be answered, so i'll just wait to see how it work for real, and not only on paper. Somehow when it come to RMT, i know you just can't take what is told to you as given, thats simply not how it work.
 
The game look great for sure. But i just have some very bad feeling about this for many reasons, i have seen how much game mechanisms can influence such features as RMAH, and game companies are now very greedy because they need to show some whooping number in their benefit, and make a good game is simply not enough for many of those companies anymore. So i'll just wait and see for now. And honestly all the game companies totally underestimated the power of a single script to fuck up their virtual little world, and coding is their plain time job, so really i'm a bit skeptical here to say the least about this kind of feature.

Yeah your not listening are you..

There is NOTHING forcing you to use the RMAH, the only difference between it and the gold auction house is the currency used, a player still has to drop an item, and then place it on the RMAH for some one else to buy, and since it costs money to post in the first place, and since the auction house's cover VAST regions like all of Europe nearly, then there will be no shortage of items on both Auction Houses.

 

Hell I actually plan on buying stuff from the Gold Auction house and then selling it on the RMAH when I notice a profit can be made, and from the RMAH to sell on the gold AH where I see some one selling something at a low price.

 

They are both the same only the currency changes.

I don't think you read his post at all. He's concerned that the game might be made in such a way that they make it very difficult to get the items without using the RMAH in order to make Blizzard maximum profit and plans to wait and see whether it does or not before buying. At this point it is too early to tell as the current beta is nothing more than a glorified demo with low level cap etc.

No matter what way you look at it his plan is sensible, he has some concerns and wants to wait and see if they are valid before spending his money.

Always keep your words soft and sweet, just in case you have to eat them.

  StonesDK

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Joined: 8/06/11
Posts: 1831

9/22/11 9:19:42 AM#45
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by Starpower


Originally posted by Zeppelin4
I'm confused by all these posts about Diablo 3.  I can play Diablo 3 the same way I played Diablo 2. I login to bnet, make a private server, invite friends and or family and enjoy. The real money AH does not effect me one bit. The only complaint I can see that is valid is the online play only. What I find strange about these complaints here is this site is about online gaming which requires a internet connection. :P



People are always going to care about what others do one way or another regardless if you understand it or not. Reason for that is simple. People like to compete over things you may deem silly or looser'ish. If person A likes to be the guy with the biggest sword over everybody else. He is going to be mighty upset that  guy B can just spend 5 bucks to get that same sword. Then he no longer has bragging rights of spending a month obtaining something that other guy just got within 10 seconds.
 
Why should he care? because he likes to compare and contrast to others, based on his ability to spend endless time farming certain items, then reaping the reward by joining public games and one shotting everything, hoping at least 1 guy will send him a tell about how awesome that was
 
In case it wasn't obvious, I'm mocking the simple minded view of those that don't understand why people are upset about this. The truth is there are several reasons why, not necessarily in relation to strutting your e-peen along side other players




It still seems a lot like people are complaining about what someone else is doing or going to do, when it doesn't actually affect them.

 

That's the thing. It does affect those that like to put themselves alongside others, competing on killing effectiveness based on his time spent farming to get to the point he is at. For some, time spent is the defacto that determines rich from poor, l33t from n00b. The social order, status and a variety of other things. Not everybody is going to make private closed games only for their own friends. If i recall correctly there were many public games in Diablo 2 solely made for the reason to show everybody how great you are. How can you do that when people can pay their way to glory.

It can be hard to grasp I know. Some people just don't want YOU to have as good gear as them without spending the time killing mobs to get it. It takes away their prestige of obtaining said item because they want to compare themselves against YOU. That's why what YOU do matters to them

  tavoc

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Joined: 10/22/08
Posts: 262

9/23/11 2:55:10 PM#46

Well ill make this one short.. for those of you who are putting up the arguement about how you dont have to use the RMAH.. and that you will be able to buy the same stuff with in game currency.. your out of your mind.

Simplely: Who the hell in their right mind is going to sell that redicousouly hard to find brestplate on the game currency ah for a couple thousand gold, when they can post it in the RMAH for say $50? no one.. and if they do its just going to get bought by somone else and reposted on the rmah anyway.

Also for those people actualy stupid enough to use the RMAH, How secure will it realy be?? i mean think about it. if alot of real money starts flying around D3 its going to attract hackers.. and fast!! And despite what you may think no mmo company relay has a great track record with game accounts. they are alwayes getting hacked, every day.  So if you have to link a bank acount or paypall or anything to pay for these items.. Guess what? you wake up one day try to log on to D3 only to find out that not only your account is hacked, but your bank 2.

  montin

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Joined: 11/28/05
Posts: 220

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9/23/11 3:00:05 PM#47
Originally posted by Beazt

Yep, gonna skip D3 myself.

I think there will be a lot of people skipping D3 because of the insane AH idea. Whilst I loved D1 and D2, played them to death. I for one wont be touching D3. But then again I quit WoW when they brought in the whole battlenet thing. I really think blizzard have got far to big for their boots. Its only a matter of time before the company folds but its going to be a few years before that happens. Maybe the silly things they are doing with D3 is the start of blizzards demise.

  Skudd

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Joined: 2/06/09
Posts: 138

9/23/11 3:20:46 PM#48

Looks like tinfoil hats are back in fashion, both with haters in here and fanboys elsewhere... 

"It is my opinion, that my opinions are always right"

  Aori

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Joined: 1/28/06
Posts: 1749

9/23/11 3:54:37 PM#49
Originally posted by montin
Originally posted by Beazt

Yep, gonna skip D3 myself.

I think there will be a lot of people skipping D3 because of the insane AH idea. Whilst I loved D1 and D2, played them to death. I for one wont be touching D3. But then again I quit WoW when they brought in the whole battlenet thing. I really think blizzard have got far to big for their boots. Its only a matter of time before the company folds but its going to be a few years before that happens. Maybe the silly things they are doing with D3 is the start of blizzards demise.

Sweet a doomsayer! Unless something drastic happens blizzard isn't going anywhere for atleast 10 years. What silly things with D3 are you talking about and will they lead to its demise? D3 is going to be huge.. i don't see the end approaching.

  TalRasha

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Joined: 1/20/05
Posts: 825

9/27/11 8:35:23 AM#50

Diablo2: Items get sold for real money trough ebay with a shady website being the search filter.

Diablo3: Items get sold for real money trough Blizzard/PayPal, with the game it self being the search filter.

  lizardbones

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Joined: 6/11/08
Posts: 10377

I've become dependent upon spell check. My apologies for stupid grammatical errors.

9/27/11 8:49:41 AM#51


Originally posted by Starpower


Originally posted by lizardbones
 



Originally posted by Starpower




Originally posted by Zeppelin4
I'm confused by all these posts about Diablo 3.  I can play Diablo 3 the same way I played Diablo 2. I login to bnet, make a private server, invite friends and or family and enjoy. The real money AH does not effect me one bit. The only complaint I can see that is valid is the online play only. What I find strange about these complaints here is this site is about online gaming which requires a internet connection. :P




People are always going to care about what others do one way or another regardless if you understand it or not. Reason for that is simple. People like to compete over things you may deem silly or looser'ish. If person A likes to be the guy with the biggest sword over everybody else. He is going to be mighty upset that  guy B can just spend 5 bucks to get that same sword. Then he no longer has bragging rights of spending a month obtaining something that other guy just got within 10 seconds.
 
Why should he care? because he likes to compare and contrast to others, based on his ability to spend endless time farming certain items, then reaping the reward by joining public games and one shotting everything, hoping at least 1 guy will send him a tell about how awesome that was
 
In case it wasn't obvious, I'm mocking the simple minded view of those that don't understand why people are upset about this. The truth is there are several reasons why, not necessarily in relation to strutting your e-peen along side other players





It still seems a lot like people are complaining about what someone else is doing or going to do, when it doesn't actually affect them.
 


That's the thing. It does affect those that like to put themselves alongside others, competing on killing effectiveness based on his time spent farming to get to the point he is at. For some, time spent is the defacto that determines rich from poor, l33t from n00b. The social order, status and a variety of other things. Not everybody is going to make private closed games only for their own friends. If i recall correctly there were many public games in Diablo 2 solely made for the reason to show everybody how great you are. How can you do that when people can pay their way to glory.
It can be hard to grasp I know. Some people just don't want YOU to have as good gear as them without spending the time killing mobs to get it. It takes away their prestige of obtaining said item because they want to compare themselves against YOU. That's why what YOU do matters to them



Then things are unchanged from Diablo 2. Instead of buying stuff from other players through the game, people were buying stuff from other players through eBay or some other out of game service. There is no real difference between D2 and D3 in this regard.

Anyone who is using video games to try and increase their self esteem is doomed to failure. The 'Prestige' earned is no more real than the game itself.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  StonesDK

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Joined: 8/06/11
Posts: 1831

10/04/11 8:22:18 AM#52
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by Starpower


Originally posted by lizardbones
 



Originally posted by Starpower




Originally posted by Zeppelin4
I'm confused by all these posts about Diablo 3.  I can play Diablo 3 the same way I played Diablo 2. I login to bnet, make a private server, invite friends and or family and enjoy. The real money AH does not effect me one bit. The only complaint I can see that is valid is the online play only. What I find strange about these complaints here is this site is about online gaming which requires a internet connection. :P




People are always going to care about what others do one way or another regardless if you understand it or not. Reason for that is simple. People like to compete over things you may deem silly or looser'ish. If person A likes to be the guy with the biggest sword over everybody else. He is going to be mighty upset that  guy B can just spend 5 bucks to get that same sword. Then he no longer has bragging rights of spending a month obtaining something that other guy just got within 10 seconds.
 
Why should he care? because he likes to compare and contrast to others, based on his ability to spend endless time farming certain items, then reaping the reward by joining public games and one shotting everything, hoping at least 1 guy will send him a tell about how awesome that was
 
In case it wasn't obvious, I'm mocking the simple minded view of those that don't understand why people are upset about this. The truth is there are several reasons why, not necessarily in relation to strutting your e-peen along side other players





It still seems a lot like people are complaining about what someone else is doing or going to do, when it doesn't actually affect them.
 



That's the thing. It does affect those that like to put themselves alongside others, competing on killing effectiveness based on his time spent farming to get to the point he is at. For some, time spent is the defacto that determines rich from poor, l33t from n00b. The social order, status and a variety of other things. Not everybody is going to make private closed games only for their own friends. If i recall correctly there were many public games in Diablo 2 solely made for the reason to show everybody how great you are. How can you do that when people can pay their way to glory.
It can be hard to grasp I know. Some people just don't want YOU to have as good gear as them without spending the time killing mobs to get it. It takes away their prestige of obtaining said item because they want to compare themselves against YOU. That's why what YOU do matters to them




Then things are unchanged from Diablo 2. Instead of buying stuff from other players through the game, people were buying stuff from other players through eBay or some other out of game service. There is no real difference between D2 and D3 in this regard.

Anyone who is using video games to try and increase their self esteem is doomed to failure. The 'Prestige' earned is no more real than the game itself.

 

I agree

But buying equipment "illegally" was a way to try and get ahead by "cheating" to a shortcut. In an ideal world for people like me, such a thing would be impossible both sanctioned and unsanctioned. I didn't like it then and I certainly don't like this. I would rather see Blizzard combat illegal RMT even if in vain, than have it sanctioned and embraced

As for increasing self esteem using video games. Isn't that a large appeal for a lot of gamers?. Those that can't do in real life and all that. Granted I have only been playing MMORPGS and FPS games for 12 or so years but it seems I meet more of those types than anything else.

  heimdall22

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10/06/11 12:20:24 PM#53

What I'm really afraid of is overwhelming presence of hacks, bots and cheats as it was the case with Diablo 2.

I certaintly hope that this time they will be able to deal with that problem way better, but I'm far away from being sure about that.

 

As for the real cash auction house I really don't know why so many are so upset about it? Items were, are and will be sold for the real money nevertheless, as long as there is supply and demand for it. The only difference is that instead using ebay / third party companies of any sort, now it will go through official Blizzard. Hypocrisy will be gone and I'm all happy for that.

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  Requiamer

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10/09/11 1:13:01 AM#54

 



Originally posted by heimdall22

 

Hypocrisy will be gone and I'm all happy for that.


 

What make you think that the hypocrisy will be gone? That is an honest question here.

Can you explain me please what kind of hypocrisy is now gone with this system.

 

Because i honestly don't see any difference if you buy through ebay or blizzard, does it make any difference? it doesn't to me at all. You'll still buy from the same guys/organisations most of the time anyway. So ?

  nsch

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11/18/11 3:33:03 AM#55

i agree with u.and the real money AH have nothing to do to us .If we do not like that method we just use another method the drop and gold in game .Just play it the way we want and enjoy it.

  PieRad

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11/18/11 3:55:05 AM#56

I watched Blizzcon with a virtual ticket, they said, everyone will get a small amount of real money every week, not money which you can withdraw, but to cover the fee for putting stuff on RMAH, this means that everyone have a chance of getting to play with the RMAH at no cost at all.

 

However, if you plan on using RMAH for more than a few items each week, then you'd have to pay so that you can cover the fee.

 

How much each account get every week is to be seen, it's pobably not much, but get just 1 sale of a few bucks, and you'll have money on your account for more postings if you wish.

 

 

 

 

At first I hated the idea of RMAH, but i think it's really clever tbh, chinese farmers are without a doubt gonna spend money to post all their farmed crap, blizz is now getting a piece of that cake.

 

  nsch

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12/02/11 11:07:04 AM#57

yeah this RMAH will make diablo3 be more interesting

  Myrdynn

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12/02/11 11:22:51 AM#58

I love it with the RMAH, I dont have to buy anything, I can sell stuff if I get lucky.  The game will still be the best action game out there, with tons of replayability.  

I played Diablo single player for 3 yrs, then played D2 for almost 7.  I sold plenty of items for real money, and it was a pain in the ass.  I am glad Blizzard added this feature

 

  lennpell

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OP  12/15/11 2:34:21 PM#59

If they do do the a few free auction things a week it'll be alright, but  I'm not 100% on paypal so I don't know how it'll all go down exactly..

  lizardbones

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12/15/11 2:38:50 PM#60


Originally posted by lennpell
If they do do the a few free auction things a week it'll be alright, but  I'm not 100% on paypal so I don't know how it'll all go down exactly..



You have a certain number of free auctions for the RMAH. The in game auction house probably always costs a certain amount of in game money.

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