Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

Dont care.  Im glad TOR launched.  it is not a pvp game, never will be.

everyone said same thing about Rift yet they didn't listen to the PVP complaints and lost a ton of people because of it

Originally posted by sanosukex

Originally posted by Quailman

Originally posted by DerWotan

So people are calling something "working as inteded (c) Bioware" a bug/exploit? Guess what, things like that were known back in the beta and reported all people had to say was stuff like "well they want to bring people into the PvP so huge xp gain is good"...

I don't play the game but let me tell you this stuff is not new Bioware just didn't correct the huge XP gain so you can't call people exploiters for playing a mechanic the way BW wanted them to.

Another point why you can't have "waved EGAs" iif you PREORDER you should get in when the EGA starts, period.

Just out of curiosity, what gives huge XP gains? Are you talking about warzones or something else?

Quailman!! haven't see you since the 90s:P

Originally posted by sanosukex

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

Dont care.  Im glad TOR launched.  it is not a pvp game, never will be.

everyone said same thing about Rift yet they didn't listen to the PVP complaints and lost a ton of people because of it

The logic of your rebuttal is weak.  TOR is not Rift.  Further, in your response to me above, I say, FEEL THE POWER OF THIS FULLY ARMED AND OPERATIONAL DEATH STAR!

Playing themepark MMO's i've never felt like there's a real need to make PvP servers. People are going to get griefed by the opposing side as is, now you're going to make it worse by griefing your own side? I'd stick to the PvE server and just play for the fun of it and then if I decide to PvP then I'd just queue up for the BG's.

Seriously, wouldn't people prefer to play a PvP focused game if they are more towards doing PvPing? The real pvping days are long but gone. There's always going to be a flaw in every MMO with class balancing, and the PvPers will basically be the ones ruining the classes.

Originally posted by ColdSun

Originally posted by sanosukex

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

Dont care.  Im glad TOR launched.  it is not a pvp game, never will be.

everyone said same thing about Rift yet they didn't listen to the PVP complaints and lost a ton of people because of it

The logic of your rebuttal is weak.  TOR is not Rift.  Further, in your response to me above, I say, FEEL THE POWER OF THIS FULLY ARMED AND OPERATIONAL DEATH STAR!

This rebuttal is sufficient.

Originally posted by dreamsofwar

Originally posted by Kidon

MMO's and E-Sports dont match, and as for GW2 u have an advantage or not when you choose the skills to use on your action bar = retarded, 8 skills that can be of any use vs some player or not

You'll have to forgive me because im not entirely sure what you're trying to say here. Are you basically implying that Guild Wars 2's skill system isn't a good pvp mechanic?

The fact that you'll be able to unlock a series of skills and only select 8 of them will be much more diverse than any talent based system in other MMO's. It means that a player who encounters you won't be able to predict your actions because theres no possible way s/he will be able to know what your build is and vise versa. It opens a lot of exciting opportunities for pvp and im very interested in experiencing it in the future, a lot of us are.

Knowing everything about your class and all others classes in an mmo is what makes you a good pvper, that with experience and good reaction times. Facing someone and not knowing what they can do is based on LUCK wont ever catch me play a game like that, ofc it is just my opinion that counts for nothing.

Originally posted by csthao

Playing themepark MMO's i've never felt like there's a real need to make PvP servers. People are going to get griefed by the opposing side as is, now you're going to make it worse by griefing your own side? I'd stick to the PvE server and just play for the fun of it and then if I decide to PvP then I'd just queue up for the BG's.

Seriously, wouldn't people prefer to play a PvP focused game if they are more towards doing PvPing? The real pvping days are long but gone. There's always going to be a flaw in every MMO with class balancing, and the PvPers will basically be the ones ruining the classes.

agreed.. you still get plenty of pvp on non pvp servers and not have to deal with twice as many d-bags.. win win in my book

Originally posted by Kidon

Knowing everything about your class and all others classes in an mmo is what makes you a good pvper, that with experience and good reaction times. Facing someone and not knowing what they can do is based on LUCK wont ever catch me play a game like that, ofc it is just my opinion that counts for nothing.

with GW's its not like a ranger is going to all of a sudden blast a mage spell at you.. in a sense you have an idea what a player can do based on there class but do not know exactly what they are capable off since you don't know there skill set right away.. It's really not that differn't than other MMO's(rift in particular) since you honestly don't know if the player is smart or what abilities he might actually use against you.. you get a idea but never really know.. Guild wars takes the same basic concept just makes it a little tougher but I really wouldn't say its luck at all unless you view all pvp wins as luck...

You're not really a PVP'er if you let a seven day headstart scare you off. I probably won't be playing until late Jan. I expect to be ganked, griefed, and camped. It sucks at times, but that's just how it goes. I guess I could play on a PVE server, but I think I'd get awfully bored without the constant threat of being ganked, griefed, and camped.

Originally posted by Zookz1

You're not really a PVP'er if you let a seven day headstart scare you off. I probably won't be playing until late Jan. I expect to be ganked, griefed, and camped. It sucks at times, but that's just how it goes. I guess I could play on a PVE server, but I think I'd get awfully bored without the constant threat of being ganked, griefed, and camped.

i thought same way in rift.. but enjoyed leveling my last two chars to 50 on pve server way more than I enjoyed my first 2 on pvp server.. think it has a lot to do with the community and type of people you get on pve vs pvp.. although on rift with so many zone events it made them a lot easier to finish without everyone just fighting each other....

Originally posted by Kidon

Originally posted by dreamsofwar

Originally posted by Kidon

MMO's and E-Sports dont match, and as for GW2 u have an advantage or not when you choose the skills to use on your action bar = retarded, 8 skills that can be of any use vs some player or not

You'll have to forgive me because im not entirely sure what you're trying to say here. Are you basically implying that Guild Wars 2's skill system isn't a good pvp mechanic?

The fact that you'll be able to unlock a series of skills and only select 8 of them will be much more diverse than any talent based system in other MMO's. It means that a player who encounters you won't be able to predict your actions because theres no possible way s/he will be able to know what your build is and vise versa. It opens a lot of exciting opportunities for pvp and im very interested in experiencing it in the future, a lot of us are.

Knowing everything about your class and all others classes in an mmo is what makes you a good pvper, that with experience and good reaction times. Facing someone and not knowing what they can do is based on LUCK wont ever catch me play a game like that, ofc it is just my opinion that counts for nothing.

You know in chess...

Nahh to easy.

Originally posted by sanosukex

Originally posted by Kidon

Knowing everything about your class and all others classes in an mmo is what makes you a good pvper, that with experience and good reaction times. Facing someone and not knowing what they can do is based on LUCK wont ever catch me play a game like that, ofc it is just my opinion that counts for nothing.

with GW's its not like a ranger is going to all of a sudden blast a mage spell at you.. in a sense you have an idea what a player can do based on there class but do not know exactly what they are capable off since you don't know there skill set right away.. It's really not that differn't than other MMO's(rift in particular) since you honestly don't know if the player is smart or what abilities he might actually use against you.. you get a idea but never really know.. Guild wars takes the same basic concept just makes it a little tougher but I really wouldn't say its luck at all unless you view all pvp wins as luck...

MMO pvp isnt only luck but a great precentage is, i love pvp and with pratice one can be better than the rest, but MMO's pvp isnt balanced wont ever be, and if on top of that u dont know what the oponent will throw at you, well that is even worse. When i pvp i want to know what i can do vs certain classes, if i use this CD at start or if i wait a bit longer because i know i have to counter this or that, or because i need to save some cd to free myself from some CC etc...  to be better at pvp you also need to understand the oponent's CD's and keep track of them, but how can you do that if you dont even know what you are facing, not my cup of tea just saying.

Peace.

Originally posted by Kidon

MMO pvp isnt only luck but a great precentage is, i love pvp and with pratice one can be better than the rest, but MMO's pvp isnt balanced wont ever be, and if on top of that u dont know what the oponent will throw at you, well that is even worse. When i pvp i want to know what i can do vs certain classes, if i use this CD at start or if i wait a bit longer because i know i have to counter this or that, or because i need to save some cd to free myself from some CC etc...  to be better at pvp you also need to understand the oponent's CD's and keep track of them, but how can you do that if you dont even know what you are facing, not my cup of tea just saying.

 

Peace.

it really isn't that hard in guild wars but if you never played it I guess you wouldn't understand...

Well hopefully there will be brand new pvp servers each day so that situation doesn't occur.