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  someforumguy

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12/12/11 8:04:43 PM#161
Originally posted by Uronksur
Originally posted by someforumguy
Originally posted by Uronksur
Originally posted by someforumguy
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Originally posted by Uronksur
Originally posted by someforumguy
Originally posted by Uronksur
Originally posted by MaGicBush
Originally posted by Kainis

Methinks the younger crowd is finally getting their first taste of supply and demand economics 101.

What? Makes no sense, a digital copy and the current times :P. There is no supply/demand on a downloaded digital copy. It's called inflation and greed.

Bandwidth is free? The infrastructure for facilitating the mass distributing of a ~19gb client over the internet is free?

Pretty much compared to the sales price of a digital copy. Thanks to every potential customer having internet acces, marketing is a lot cheaper nowadays too. Also, you missed MaGiCBush's point. The price isnt high because of limited supply. Thats the great part (for MMO devs) of digital distribution.

...my point is that MaGicBush is wrong. There is a supply/demand for digital distribution. EA has to purchase and maintain servers just to distribute the client, and bandwidth has to be purchased to distribute it. If the point he wanted to make was that such is comparatively cheap to a physical product, maybe he should have said that, not that it didn't exist at all.

Bandwidth is cheap and easier to scale. Printing and distributing physical copies takes time. So if demand exceeds supply with this, you have a serious problem. Even more the other way around. Digital distribution is way more flexible and cheaper. Stop believing their marketing bs that tries to justify those prices and subs.

They ask 60$ +15$ a month because they can. This has nothing to do with costs.


You aren't paying attention.

 

Magicbush said the supply/demand does not exist at all. I am pointing out that his claim is wrong. Why you are coming and telling me that bandwidth is cheap and easy to scale is beyond me, because it is besides the point.

No he is right. There is no limit to the supply of a digital copy as long as the salesprice for each product exceeds the costs.

He. Did. Not. Say. That. This is not a complicated concept.

Magicbush never meant that there is no supply or demand, just that the price isnt based on supply and demand. Blame him for sloppy writing, but why would you assume that he actually meant that there is no supply or demand?

 Because that is what he actually said, and I don't pretend to be able to read minds to know what people actually intended to say. If you want to speculate that he "meant" something else, feel free. Just don't expect any of us to be convinced of it because you say so.

The inflation and greed part logically implies it. How else would you explain that sentence? Meh, these forums....

  rdrpappy

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12/12/11 8:05:47 PM#162
Originally posted by fistorm

     I really wanted this game but even the cheapest one is 60 bucks and thats without goodies on a preorder.   The collectors edition with all the goodies, 150 bucks, wow!   Theres no way I can pay for this, even relatives wont spend this much for a xmas gift on me.  The sub seems reasonable,  I guess I have to wait to get this....  /sad

I'm just really greatfull you shared that with everyone, something like a choice on purchasing software escapes most of us and so now I dont feel so alone.

  Ravencall

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12/12/11 8:07:50 PM#163

I payed $ 80.. Baaaaa. Not to be rude , I know that not everyone can roll out dough. My suggestion is save up the game looks cool and is worth the money. Besides its starwar's ! ..sry had to insert fanboy qoute. Baaaa

  Quesa

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12/12/11 8:10:00 PM#164

There is supply and demand they are just fixing the price to the industry norm.  They have these super uncomplicated models telling them if they sell the game at $a they'll make $b as well as if they sell it for $x they'll may $y.  If b>y then they sell it for $a, if not they sell it for $y

Even if it's you believe it's not a a supply and demand case (which you would still be wrong) it's still BASIC ECON 101 stuff.  You know, the stuff you learn within the first 12 months of college (aka higher education).

If you don't like the price, don't buy it.  If you complain about it and still buy it, congratulations...here is your hypocrite card.

  CujoSWAoA

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"Pablo Picasso said art is a lie that tells the truth."

12/12/11 8:10:02 PM#165

The game will be $5 by summer.

  Hamrtime

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12/12/11 8:10:21 PM#166

The new modern warfare game just hit a BILLION dollars in sales today.

  helthros

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12/12/11 8:13:33 PM#167

I'm sorry, but when was the last time you bought a brand new video game? Because I'll wager it's been years...

  kalinis

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12/12/11 8:16:46 PM#168

U know why its 59.99 because thats what games cost today.  Its not like they are charging more then u would for a single player game for the  xbox360 pc or ps3.

games that are released cost 60 dollars now its just the way things work

dont like the price dont buy it. it doesnt make u a sheep if u buy it or dont. 

The fact is games cost 60 dollars to buy. there is alot of costs associated with makng games and that cost gets passed on to us in the cost of the game itself.

U k now they arent gonna just give u a game. Oh and gw 2 will be in the 60 dollar range also when it releases.

  drbaltazar

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12/12/11 8:16:58 PM#169
mmo gamer dont mind paying for good quality mmo but paying for a non dx11.non 64 bit.non 24p .non 8 threaded etc etc etc mmo? hell no.f2p of today are equal if not better .
  Uronksur

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12/12/11 8:25:00 PM#170
Originally posted by someforumguy
Originally posted by Uronksur
Originally posted by someforumguy
Originally posted by Uronksur
Originally posted by someforumguy
Originally posted by Uronksur
Originally posted by someforumguy
Originally posted by Uronksur
Originally posted by someforumguy
Originally posted by Uronksur
Originally posted by MaGicBush
Originally posted by Kainis

Methinks the younger crowd is finally getting their first taste of supply and demand economics 101.

What? Makes no sense, a digital copy and the current times :P. There is no supply/demand on a downloaded digital copy. It's called inflation and greed.

Bandwidth is free? The infrastructure for facilitating the mass distributing of a ~19gb client over the internet is free?

Pretty much compared to the sales price of a digital copy. Thanks to every potential customer having internet acces, marketing is a lot cheaper nowadays too. Also, you missed MaGiCBush's point. The price isnt high because of limited supply. Thats the great part (for MMO devs) of digital distribution.

...my point is that MaGicBush is wrong. There is a supply/demand for digital distribution. EA has to purchase and maintain servers just to distribute the client, and bandwidth has to be purchased to distribute it. If the point he wanted to make was that such is comparatively cheap to a physical product, maybe he should have said that, not that it didn't exist at all.

Bandwidth is cheap and easier to scale. Printing and distributing physical copies takes time. So if demand exceeds supply with this, you have a serious problem. Even more the other way around. Digital distribution is way more flexible and cheaper. Stop believing their marketing bs that tries to justify those prices and subs.

They ask 60$ +15$ a month because they can. This has nothing to do with costs.


You aren't paying attention.

 

Magicbush said the supply/demand does not exist at all. I am pointing out that his claim is wrong. Why you are coming and telling me that bandwidth is cheap and easy to scale is beyond me, because it is besides the point.

No he is right. There is no limit to the supply of a digital copy as long as the salesprice for each product exceeds the costs.

He. Did. Not. Say. That. This is not a complicated concept.

Magicbush never meant that there is no supply or demand, just that the price isnt based on supply and demand. Blame him for sloppy writing, but why would you assume that he actually meant that there is no supply or demand?

 Because that is what he actually said, and I don't pretend to be able to read minds to know what people actually intended to say. If you want to speculate that he "meant" something else, feel free. Just don't expect any of us to be convinced of it because you say so.

The inflation and greed part logically implies it. How else would you explain that sentence? Meh, these forums....

I agree. It's just terrible when we take people at their word that they mean it when they say "there is no supply/demand on a downloaded digital copy".

  kalinis

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12/12/11 8:26:49 PM#171
Originally posted by drbaltazar
mmo gamer dont mind paying for good quality mmo but paying for a non dx11.non 64 bit.non 24p .non 8 threaded etc etc etc mmo? hell no.f2p of today are equal if not better .

/tor is a dx 11 game it requires shader 3.0 and its graphics are actually quite good when u play it. Im tired of people trolling around bashing tors graphics when they just dont like the style they chose

Its getting old either pay the money buy the game play it or dont. Stop whinng about every little thing. 

  Beacker

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Joined: 7/28/06
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12/12/11 8:27:57 PM#172
Originally posted by DexterMMO
Because the DVD or digital download bandwidth is lined in gold.

actually it's EA ... 59.99 is their average cost.

 That is just typical game rate now. They all use to be $49.99 now everyone is going with the $59.99 for a game PC or console. Inflation.

  Angelfire

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12/12/11 8:29:47 PM#173
Originally posted by dreamsofwar

Considering that with digital copies they don't have the added cost of manufacturing/shipping it isn't really justified.

 

No they just have the cost to maintain servers and bandwidth + storage etc. A friend of mine worked out the math once when I made the same point you did and if you think about all the bandwidth they must need for potentially hundreds of thousands of downloads simultaniously running... its not a small sum and it probably completely offsets the 'save' on shipping and packaging costs. Really all D2D actually accomplishes is convienence for both the distributor and end user, and possibly is a bit better for the planet. I do it cause I live in the middle of nowhere and I'd have to spend another 20$ just on gas to get a physical copy. :p

  sanosukex

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12/12/11 8:31:14 PM#174
Originally posted by kalinis
Originally posted by drbaltazar
mmo gamer dont mind paying for good quality mmo but paying for a non dx11.non 64 bit.non 24p .non 8 threaded etc etc etc mmo? hell no.f2p of today are equal if not better .

/tor is a dx 11 game it requires shader 3.0 and its graphics are actually quite good when u play it. Im tired of people trolling around bashing tors graphics when they just dont like the style they chose

Its getting old either pay the money buy the game play it or dont. Stop whinng about every little thing. 

almost positive this game doesn't support dx11 features.. Which  isn't a bad thing considering most single player games don't even support it.. actually I'm pretty sure its DX9 only still

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html

  Ginaz

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12/12/11 8:35:10 PM#175

LOL at people that think $60 is a lot of money.

Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?

Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.

  marinrider

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12/12/11 8:38:44 PM#176
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by kalinis
Originally posted by drbaltazar
mmo gamer dont mind paying for good quality mmo but paying for a non dx11.non 64 bit.non 24p .non 8 threaded etc etc etc mmo? hell no.f2p of today are equal if not better .

/tor is a dx 11 game it requires shader 3.0 and its graphics are actually quite good when u play it. Im tired of people trolling around bashing tors graphics when they just dont like the style they chose

Its getting old either pay the money buy the game play it or dont. Stop whinng about every little thing. 

almost positive this game doesn't support dx11 features.. Which  isn't a bad thing considering most single player games don't even support it.. actually I'm pretty sure its DX9 only still

From everything I've read it is certainly not DX11, so your right.  I would love for them to have a DX9 as well as a DX10 client for the game (Hell, DX11 is out, people need to stop trying to use toasters to play new games /endrant).  But I felt that its graphics level matched its art style so it wasnt that bad that its not in DX10 or 11, but with a budget of $150 million I almost expected it.  

 

 

Originally posted by rdrpappy
Originally posted by fistorm

     I really wanted this game but even the cheapest one is 60 bucks and thats without goodies on a preorder.   The collectors edition with all the goodies, 150 bucks, wow!   Theres no way I can pay for this, even relatives wont spend this much for a xmas gift on me.  The sub seems reasonable,  I guess I have to wait to get this....  /sad

I'm just really greatfull you shared that with everyone, something like a choice on purchasing software escapes most of us and so now I dont feel so alone.

His choice was one made out of necessity.  "Theres no way I can pay for this" means he cant afford it.  I can't afford that Bently I want, but that doesnt mean I'm making a choice to not buy a Bently.  

  Shadanwolf

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12/12/11 9:47:53 PM#177

OP the simple answer...because they have an acceptable number (to them)who will pay it....and they want to recoup their sizable investment sooner rather than later.

  jerlot65

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12/12/11 9:56:05 PM#178

i pay $60 for games that I play for a month then trash.  I don't think buying a great game that will lat much longer and only having to pay $15 a month for is that much.

  rdrpappy

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12/12/11 9:56:36 PM#179
Originally posted by marinrider
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by kalinis
Originally posted by drbaltazar
mmo gamer dont mind paying for good quality mmo but paying for a non dx11.non 64 bit.non 24p .non 8 threaded etc etc etc mmo? hell no.f2p of today are equal if not better .

/tor is a dx 11 game it requires shader 3.0 and its graphics are actually quite good when u play it. Im tired of people trolling around bashing tors graphics when they just dont like the style they chose

Its getting old either pay the money buy the game play it or dont. Stop whinng about every little thing. 

almost positive this game doesn't support dx11 features.. Which  isn't a bad thing considering most single player games don't even support it.. actually I'm pretty sure its DX9 only still

From everything I've read it is certainly not DX11, so your right.  I would love for them to have a DX9 as well as a DX10 client for the game (Hell, DX11 is out, people need to stop trying to use toasters to play new games /endrant).  But I felt that its graphics level matched its art style so it wasnt that bad that its not in DX10 or 11, but with a budget of $150 million I almost expected it.  

 

 

Originally posted by rdrpappy
Originally posted by fistorm

     I really wanted this game but even the cheapest one is 60 bucks and thats without goodies on a preorder.   The collectors edition with all the goodies, 150 bucks, wow!   Theres no way I can pay for this, even relatives wont spend this much for a xmas gift on me.  The sub seems reasonable,  I guess I have to wait to get this....  /sad

I'm just really greatfull you shared that with everyone, something like a choice on purchasing software escapes most of us and so now I dont feel so alone.

His choice was one made out of necessity.  "Theres no way I can pay for this" means he cant afford it.  I can't afford that Bently I want, but that doesnt mean I'm making a choice to not buy a Bently.  

Are you seriously argueing semantics? the point that illudes you is that the title of this post is "why is this game so expensive" To my knowlegde it's no more expensive than any other AAA title, it is not mandatory to buy and this isn't facebook.

But thanks for missing the point of this no point post, Bently.

 

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OP  12/13/11 1:21:39 AM#180

Wow, I'm amazed this got 18 pages of replies...

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