I would love to play SW as i love the sound of the game but after that mess of beta that they were doing a few months ago that never actually happened its gonna be one of the few mmos that i dont preorder. Played AoC from beta and i gotta say i loved it but the bugs and end game got me so pissed of i just dont trust them anymore.

I love FC for AO...

Still I heard WoW had a bad launch server queues and so on, I won't pay for that sort of crap and won't give money to Blizzard as they cleary are incompetent on notion how  WoW launched.

For FC to convince me to buy another product of theirs I will need to see a beta on scale with SWtOR - fully open allowing everyone who wants to try it in.  Anything less and they are pulling their scam crap again like they did with AoC.

Originally posted by crysent

For FC to convince me to buy another product of theirs I will need to see a beta on scale with SWtOR - fully open allowing everyone who wants to try it in.  Anything less and they are pulling their scam crap again like they did with AoC.

Trust me the scam crap of AoC was nothing compared to the scam crap of Anarchy Online's release. I have been burned not just once but twice by these guys so if I act a little suspicious that is why

Originally posted by Honeymoon69
just got invited for open beta.

Do you mean regular beta?

If it was open beta, everyone could get in, right? You wouldn't need an invitaion per say.

Originally posted by Leucent

OB around a release for one of the if not the most anticipated MMo releases is dumb. When your game could be getting a ton of exposure, and possibly huge advertising by word of mouth, there won t be anyone around to give a shit. Wait till the newness has warn off on swtor, and the inevitable people that leave every MMO released, will give it a shot. Ie 3 months around.

A very high profile MMO dev  once said that if a compnay has confidence in their game they will show to it as many people as possible in open beta but if they do not feel good about their game they will hide as much of it as they can.  This is what FC did with AoC in open beta by restricting access to the first 13 levels and hidingt the rest of the unfinished game along with releasing lies to to closed beta testers about a promised miracle release patch they said was already done and tested.

I think this test will tell you all you want to know about the TSW. If they play hide and grab peoples money you can betits another bad unfinished game.  If they actually let the masses play the game then maybe its a decent game.  My bet is the focus will be on short term box sales again not long term subs.  Just like AoC.

Originally posted by Zlayer77

Originally posted by centkin

A LONG open beta actually puts this game more on the map for me.

A LONG beta means quite a few good things.

1) They had a lot of confidence that people will play the game and like it enough to buy it even after a few months of play -- some may say this is a big risk, and it is if you have something to hide(If you game is garbage and you are hoping to just capitalize on the box sales)

2) It means the level/skill cap will NOT be reached in 15 days. 

3) It means they are serious this time in stamping out all of the bugs to have a smoother retail release.

I was in closed Beta of AoC, and unless Funcom has hired some skilled people, their Engine is fataly flawed. As people have mentioned before in this thread, AoC is stil buggy, years after Release. They cant program for shit at funcom, sad truth.

I know the engine is flawed because as soon as they Pluged one hole they got other Bugs Instead. This whent on and on and on during Beta of AoC, and continoues even today. You also have to understand that Norway is small Country, they cant get enough good programers.. And they are probably to cheap to pay what GOOD programers are asking, and many people dont like to move halfway around the world, atlest not if they are Top of their field, they can get hired with better salleries were they live.

The swedish company Dice, ( that make battlefield )have even come out and said its dam hard to find people with skills in our small countries.. so they have to hire from outside. Dice is an EA company now though so compared to Funcom they have MONEY backing...

Bad programers, small budget, Reaching for the Stars, Hype.. it will all kill this game fast..

Dont buy this garbage you will only get dissapointed

Ohh well you are clearly outdated. Funcom have their lead developing office in Montreal Canda (>300 peps now). Their engine is built Dx10 and 11. EA is releasing TSW with Funcom...I think most of your points basically are wrong and therefore your post a waste of time.

In general I think it is a good rule to try and inform yourself on the topic before you want to lecture on it. Also, why not be enthused for a game that basically seem to have the potential to change that old faggin MMO grind.

I play AoC now since the last 2.5 year. Game is obviously good to me and my guild, so whats up with all the hate.. TSW is not even the same game and clearly not made the way you think, so ease up a bit.

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Originally posted by Zlayer77
You also have to understand that Norway is small Country, they cant get enough good programers.. And they are probably to cheap to pay what GOOD programers are asking, and many people dont like to move halfway around the world, atlest not if they are Top of their field, they can get hired with better salleries were they live.
The swedish company Dice, ( that make battlefield )have even come out and said its dam hard to find people with skills in our small countries.. so they have to hire from outside. Dice is an EA company now though so compared to Funcom they have MONEY backing...
Bad programers, small budget, Reaching for the Stars, Hype.. it will all kill this game fast..
Dont buy this garbage you will only get dissapointed

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Gross domestic product per capita $
US: 46.381
Sweden: 49.183
Norway: 84.443

By the way: doesn´t Funcom also belong to EA now? From what I see in the TSW trailers that is.

@ the op

dont believe it. i dont know where did you get your info but im 99% positive its false info.

Funcom, also known as Failcom and other more insulting designations given by most of the players who got to play their software, will never:

a) release an unbugged game, ever.

b) release a 'normal' open beta with most of the game acessible.

c) release a game with the adviced features included.

Funcom will..

a) sell you a limited time and content beta acess so you can only play a bit of the crap they making and not realize youre buying a piece of bugged unfinnished badly coded bulldung.

b) sell you a game promising features they dont have cash or know how for or they not even thinking implementing.

c) ban you form their forums the moment you post your honest opinion there, and/or complain about the badly service provided.

Originally posted by Herodes

 

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Gross domestic product per capita $
US: 46.381
Sweden: 49.183
Norway: 84.443

By the way: doesn´t Funcom also belong to EA now? From what I see in the TSW trailers that is.

No, EA's role in TSW is distrubuting physical copies of the game in North America.

re: closed beta starting in December not Open beta - It's been in closed beta since may

re: open beta - open beta can mean different things, it can mean NDA lift, it doesn't have to mean "free trial for everyone"

re: canada - lots of games companies are relocating to canada for tax breaks, it's got nothing to do with a wealth of programing talent, lots of US, UK & French games companies are doing this too

re: EA - Its a co-publisher arangement, much like Valve used to have, EA help with distribution of boxes & marketing in return for a cut.  EA don't own Funcom unlike say Bioware or Mythic.

Originally posted by EduardoASG

@ the op

dont believe it. i dont know where did you get your info but im 99% positive its false info.

Funcom, also known as Failcom and other more insulting designations given by most of the players who got to play their software, will never:

a) release an unbugged game, ever.

b) release a 'normal' open beta with most of the game acessible.

c) release a game with the adviced features included.

Funcom will..

a) sell you a limited time and content beta acess so you can only play a bit of the crap they making and not realize youre buying a piece of bugged unfinnished badly coded bulldung.

b) sell you a game promising features they dont have cash or know how for or they not even thinking implementing.

c) ban you form their forums the moment you post your honest opinion there, and/or complain about the badly service provided.

a) No mmo ever released has had 0 bugs.

b) You don't know this. All you're going on is AOC.

c) Again, this is a 100% your angry guess

One game developed by a different team for Funcom has totally soured your opinion of them ever releasing a quality game?

Originally posted by Sorrow

By going open beta on or around the SWTOR launch, The secret world team give they bored gamers out there an option to pull us away from buying SWTOR just out of boredom.

 

This is HUGE marketing magic, and very very smart for a game that plans to release shortly after SWTOR with the same distribution model.

 

Hopefully EA doesn't try and nix this move.

Heres a fun fact for ya... Funcom devoloped a hit mmo 11 years ago by the name of anarchy online...

Funcom  would need to unbrand this game if its gonna be successfull...but its funcom so chances are it wont find success either way...

Why do I get the feeling this game is being rushed out.

Ya I love all the hate on Funcom, we all know no other MMO out there has never messed up, even the holy grail of all MMO's has had its share of problems  and bugs, and poor choices on the direction of the game.

But I think all of us will feel this for every single mmo since none will be just to our liking.

Originally posted by Slowdoves

Why do I get the feeling this game is being rushed out.

 Has been in develvopement since before AoC so maybe put some salve on that "feeling"?

Originally posted by Slowdoves

Why do I get the feeling this game is being rushed out.

funny looking at your ID tags

As I get the feeling SWTOR is being rushed out.

Can't wait for open beta. 2 weeks more till this month ends though.

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Originally posted by Sorrow
By going open beta on or around the SWTOR launch, <blah blah>

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Originally posted by Bandar83

Quoted from their website:  

• Open beta will not be initiated before Christmas, but will be a part of our strategy next year prior to our April 2012 launch.    

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