Im just going to re post what i posted in the other ongoing thread concerning sub numbers.

SWTOR may take hundreds of thousands of players from WoW for a time, but as for subs? WoW continously caters to a more casual audience, so the subs replenish themselves anyway. You think MoP will lose a lot of its hardcore base? It will. Just liike every expansion lost a chunk of its hardcore playerbase who were bitter their gear was going to be made obselete and that it was going to be made easier to get that gear the next time. I promise you theres a new playerbase out there who love the concept of a casual game with easier talents with pandas and a pokemon pet collecting system. It will attract more kids who spend more time sitting at their computer now, it will attract people without a lot of time on their hands and it could even attract more social players who place importance on cosmetics and aesthetics.

Originally posted by Sylvarii
I dont know,what is it with these fangirls of biowares new 'clone wars with voices' mmo. It seems to me that most are jaded ex WOW players who blames Blizzard for wasting years of their lives running around in Azaroth.Lets just get this out of the way 'swtor is not going to beat WOW' not this year or any other year. Instead of plotting WOW downfall go and enjoy waving your magic swords in space and enjoy the game you have paid for. Blizzard has Asia covered and Brasil and plenty of subs in the west,yeah its lost a couple of mill but that dont mean those couple of mill are going to run to biowares 'clone wars with voices' at all. Roll on the early start and release because you will be gone,no need to post here when you are having so much fun. And before i get the usual 'go back to WOW' crap,i left that game before battle grounds was introduced.

you certainly put together quite the vitriolic defense of a game you claim to no longer play or care about. my guess is that you are full of sh*t, but that's subjective and my opinion...just like your post. see how that works?

Originally posted by Sylvarii
I dont know,what is it with these fangirls of biowares new 'clone wars with voices' mmo. It seems to me that most are jaded ex WOW players who blames Blizzard for wasting years of their lives running around in Azaroth.Lets just get this out of the way 'swtor is not going to beat WOW' not this year or any other year. Instead of plotting WOW downfall go and enjoy waving your magic swords in space and enjoy the game you have paid for. Blizzard has Asia covered and Brasil and plenty of subs in the west,yeah its lost a couple of mill but that dont mean those couple of mill are going to run to biowares 'clone wars with voices' at all. Roll on the early start and release because you will be gone,no need to post here when you are having so much fun. And before i get the usual 'go back to WOW' crap,i left that game before battle grounds was introduced.

I like how now it has come to telling the SWTOR fans and players to buzz off from these forums. It strikes me as odd that you would think that the SWTOR forums are only for the people that don't like or play the game. 

Not to say that people that aren't interested in the game or won't be playing it should buzz off either. Just saying that it would seem very strange to me to have a forum for a game that is devoted to not playing that game.  

I'd say we have just as much of a reason (probably more, actually) than you do to be here. We want to discuss a game we like playing with like-minded people.  

One thing I do like about the MMORPG.com forums, as opposed to an official forum where you have to sub to the game to post, is the fact that people on both sides of the fence are able to discuss the game. This is a great place for everyone to talk about it regardless of if they want to play it or not. 

I don't really understand the need to bother coming here if you hate the game, but I respect your right to do so, I would think you would want to go find a game that you do enjoy.  Obviously a lot of people are very opinionated about this game.

I also have a theory that a lot of the negative uproar about this game is due to the fact that it is based on the SW IP. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that there are a lot of people who really want to play a Star Wars MMO, but can't stomach the style of game that is being offered.  Obviously, not everyone feels this way, but I think there are a lot of them out there.  If this was just another themepark game with no IP or a smaller IP, I don't think that as many people would care, but what do i know?

Originally posted by Sylvarii
I dont know,what is it with these fangirls of biowares new 'clone wars with voices' mmo. It seems to me that most are jaded ex WOW players who blames Blizzard for wasting years of their lives running around in Azaroth.Lets just get this out of the way 'swtor is not going to beat WOW' not this year or any other year. Instead of plotting WOW downfall go and enjoy waving your magic swords in space and enjoy the game you have paid for. Blizzard has Asia covered and Brasil and plenty of subs in the west,yeah its lost a couple of mill but that dont mean those couple of mill are going to run to biowares 'clone wars with voices' at all. Roll on the early start and release because you will be gone,no need to post here when you are having so much fun. And before i get the usual 'go back to WOW' crap,i left that game before battle grounds was introduced.

Originally posted by Hairysun

 

Suprised Bioware took this route knowing which part of the market share they are after.  As usual ..... time will tell.

 

~Hairysun

 

Without games demanding more of a system the hardware market would collapse, it's simply the natural order of things for TOR to require better PC's that a 7 year old game. It's not as though it requires an expensive PC anyway.

Originally posted by Kabaal

Originally posted by Hairysun

 

Suprised Bioware took this route knowing which part of the market share they are after.  As usual ..... time will tell.

 

~Hairysun

 

Without games demanding more of a system the hardware market would collapse, it's simply the natural order of things for TOR to require better PC's that a 7 year old game. It's not as though it requires an expensive PC anyway.

Beyond that, better graphics usually equal higher system requirements. Now I know that TOR is no AoC or Crysis, but the graphics are pretty good for what they are. 

I realize the OP isn't saying anything about the graphics in TOR directly, but honestly of course a game in 2011 is going to have higher requirements than a 7 year old game. Trying to spin that as a negative is a bit off if you ask me. 

I think you're partially right, but overexaggerating a bit.

TOR definitely doesn't run as smooth as you would think by the quality of certain textures out there (even though it needs to be said that you can definitely turn the graphics way up for this one as well).

However, I was still able to pump out 40-50 FPS on an older comp for TOR, only experiencing noticeable FPS drops in PvP or really crowded areas.

They could have optimised it better though, as I could play Rift and other older games with comparable gfx more smoothly.

The majority of people that are going to play the game could give a damn about how close TOR comes to WOW numbers. In the order of things that are important, it most likely ranks near the bottom.

One thing that needs to be taken into consideration as Blizzard released Expansions for WoW they also slightly increased the Hardware Requirements.

For instance here are the Original Hardware Requirements for Vanilla WoW:

Pentium 3 / AMD Athlon 800Mhz

256 MB of Ram

32MB 3D Card Nvidia Geforce Class 2 Card and above

Now here are recommended hardware requirements for Cataclysm

Dual Core CPU

2 GB of Ram

256 MB Nvidia Geforce 8600 or ATI Radeon HD 2600

And here is SWTOR's Hardware Requirements

Dual Core CPU

2 GB of Ram

ATI X1800 or better* · nVidia 7800 or better* · Intel 4100 Integrated Graphics or better*  

Yeah looks like anyone that wants to jump ship from WoW to SWTOR won't have to upgrade their PC.

Originally posted by monoth

You can't judge performance of a MMO on beta....  Don't forget you have debugging tools and other things running in the background, the final game should run better and faster then the beta version.

 

Video cards that might of struggle a bit in beta might run fun come Live.  Weill find out in 2 days :)

Wishful thinking really.

So fucking sick of these wow yay/nay threads...

I wish I could invent a program that slaps people in the face a second before they try to click on the post button, and post wow bs.

A second try would end up in a punch, then stab then headshot.

I would get so many facebook-friends. 

Originally posted by pharazonic

Originally posted by Silax
When WoW was first released it didnt run on walmart computers at all.

Untrue. WoW requirements have always been pretty low. 

Not everyone has to run at 60 FPS, and in WoW for the most part you CAN if you're just leveling. 

actually this is true. when wow came out, your typical "walmart" home computer was a very low end Emachine system. With low setting, i was seeing people getting 5-10 fps MAX

Originally posted by Dreken

And here is SWTOR's Hardware Requirements

 Dual Core CPU

2 GB of Ram

ATI X1800 or better* · nVidia 7800 or better* · Intel 4100 Integrated Graphics or better*  

 

Yeah looks like anyone that wants to jump ship from WoW to SWTOR won't have to upgrade their PC.

 

Problem is that this is a lie. You won't get a playable framerate even on low with "integrated graphics", no way in hell. It might start with the lowest settings - in which case the game can't even compete with the oldest of F2P-MMOs in terms of graphics - but playable? No.

This site needs a system where your topic gets review from mods first before appearing on the general discussion. Last time i checked this is a TOR forum but all i see are WoW vs TOR , GW2 vs TOR, and tons of other useless threads. Really nothing constructive ever gets posted on these threads. 

Think MMORPG's staff cant handle all the BS-posts and just let it go...

Originally posted by Guileplayer

This site needs a system where your topic gets review from mods first before appearing on the general discussion. Last time i checked this is a TOR forum but all i see are WoW vs TOR , GW2 vs TOR, and tons of other useless threads. Really nothing constructive ever gets posted on these threads. 

Welcome to the internet, here especially, Ive been here for years and yes it has always been like this.

Originally posted by Clubmaster22

Originally posted by Dreken

And here is SWTOR's Hardware Requirements

 Dual Core CPU

2 GB of Ram

ATI X1800 or better* · nVidia 7800 or better* · Intel 4100 Integrated Graphics or better*  

 

Yeah looks like anyone that wants to jump ship from WoW to SWTOR won't have to upgrade their PC.

 

Problem is that this is a lie. You won't get a playable framerate even on low with "integrated graphics", no way in hell. It might start with the lowest settings - in which case the game can't even compete with the oldest of F2P-MMOs in terms of graphics - but playable? No.

You are wrong. Completely.   You are trying to judge system performance (of which you have little to no knowledge of), on a beta test that had debugging software running (Basically 2 copies of the game running at the same time), as well as the devs saying the graphics engine itself was severly restricted and had some bugs which meant that most GPU's were trying to process teh same image twice, therefore getting very low performance.

A lot of integrated graphics can indeed run this game. Read the tech specs again. It says MINIMUM. Meaning the absolute basic specs required to run the game. It doesnt state " oh you will get 30 fps with this card",

In short, it helps A LOT, if you have some basic knowledge of what you are talking about. You dont seem to have ANY.

Originally posted by Clubmaster22

Originally posted by Dreken

And here is SWTOR's Hardware Requirements

 Dual Core CPU

2 GB of Ram

ATI X1800 or better* · nVidia 7800 or better* · Intel 4100 Integrated Graphics or better*  

 

Yeah looks like anyone that wants to jump ship from WoW to SWTOR won't have to upgrade their PC.

 

Problem is that this is a lie. You won't get a playable framerate even on low with "integrated graphics", no way in hell. It might start with the lowest settings - in which case the game can't even compete with the oldest of F2P-MMOs in terms of graphics - but playable? No.

FYI nvidia 7800 came out about 6 years ago. So i would think most peoples computers could handle this game.

Also if you are refering to preformance in the beta, beta was run on a "stress test" to test their servers

Originally posted by PapaB34R

Originally posted by Guileplayer

This site needs a system where your topic gets review from mods first before appearing on the general discussion. Last time i checked this is a TOR forum but all i see are WoW vs TOR , GW2 vs TOR, and tons of other useless threads. Really nothing constructive ever gets posted on these threads. 

 

Welcome to the internet, here especially, Ive been here for years and yes it has always been like this.

i have been to other sites man like gamefaqs or mmo-champion, neogaf and even gamefaqs have better threads than the junk we get here. And just go to mmo-champion swtor boards man. Already people discussing game related mechanics. You won't see a single junk threads like the ones we see here...And mmo-chapmion has a vast WoW community,.

Originally posted by Guileplayer

Originally posted by PapaB34R

Originally posted by Guileplayer

This site needs a system where your topic gets review from mods first before appearing on the general discussion. Last time i checked this is a TOR forum but all i see are WoW vs TOR , GW2 vs TOR, and tons of other useless threads. Really nothing constructive ever gets posted on these threads. 

 

Welcome to the internet, here especially, Ive been here for years and yes it has always been like this.

i have been to other sites man like gamefaqs or mmo-champion, neogaf and even gamefaqs have better threads than the junk we get here. And just go to mmo-champion swtor boards man. Already people discussing game related mechanics. You won't see a single junk threads like the ones we see here...And mmo-chapmion has a vast WoW community,.

Thanks for the tip, been looking for a better mmorpg.com alternative!