I dont know, Skyrim is good but not that good,  it has the same talent tree as most mmo's , its a single player game, and for me that gets boring as hell, way more fun playing with freinds.

And I find graphics in most AAA MMO's are pretty decent, but hey if glad you are enjoying skyrim.

Do what I do, simply dont play it and not have to make pointless threads like this complaining :)

Originally posted by eycel

Do what I do, simply dont play it and not have to make pointless threads like this complaining :)

It's not a pointless thread. MMORPG's were born in virtual worlds. All the way up to vanilla WOW. You can't remove the virtual world part in new mmorpgs and then expect the customers to not notice the difference. The price goes up, the action is more intense, but the overall experience will always feel more shallow than those that came before.

Originally posted by Vonatar

I don't get it.

I love Skyrim. It's every superlative you can think of, but in the end it's a single player game. Every MMO I've played for more than 5 minutes has been down to the people I met, helped, grouped with, hung out with. They kept me playing, not the graphics or quests or storylines but simply people. Surely that's why you play MMOs - to play with other people?

Not really, no. Most people who play MMOs nowadays strike me as very annoying. I blame it on *that* MMO...you know the one I'm talking about. I won't even deign to name it. Usually I play with the same cadre of people I've been playing MMOs with since I first started playing EQ in 99. And forgive me, but for me...personally... " the graphics or quests or storylines..." is what makes an MMO. What you describe sounds more like a graphical interface to a chat room.

I already chat with my friends every day. I don't need a bland, generic, cookie-cutter online RPG for that.

Do what I did.

Figure out that Skyrim is just an MMORPG without the MMO.

Over-rated game if you ask me.

I stopped playing when I had to burn down the bee's nest in the Thieves guild quest chain.

Future MMOs with a focus on Story makes single player games by Bentheda obsolite for me. GTA is still fun because you can drive around and kill people.

Originally posted by Ecoces

in the same boat i haven't been able to play a MMORPG without wishing it was more like skyrim. i basically quit the SWTOR beta because it wasn't skyrim and the SWTOR world felt dead compared to that of Skyrim.

 

oh im at quest hub 1, then after i do these quests i will go to quest hub 2 ... and so on and so forth. in skyrim after finishing the dark brotherhood line (HAIL SITHIS!!!!!!!!) i found myself just jumping in and thinking "im going to head west today". then as i said in a post a long time ago I was like the curiosity core of Portal as im travelling ...

 

"ooo whats that"

"what is that"

"hey look at that thing"

"ooo hey whats over there"

"oooo that thing has numbers on it"

"oh whats that over there"

"whats in heeerreeee?"

 

sorry but when an MMORPG can make me do that I will probably stick with.

That's the real draw of Skyrim for me. Yes, the graphics are gasp-inducing. But the sound is also near-perfect, the music is beyond excellent (there's this one tune that plays now and again near Whiterun- oh the violin -that just makes me stop and listen) and I don't know in advance what I'm going to find or where I am going to go. Sometimes, I just say "Ima go that way", and I explore every cave, ruin, fort, castle, labyrinth, and tomb I come across.

It's really suprising to see how bland most MMOs are in comparison.

Originally posted by Khrymson

Originally posted by WoW_Refugee

I know, I know. There's really no practical way a developer could make an MMORPG that looks as stunning as Skyrim, a single player RPG.

 

FFXIV would like to say Hi, and disagree with you!  An MMO can look just as good as a 1P game, but at the same time I will agree that an MMO cannot quite possess the level of interaction that Skyrim or rather the Elder Scrolls series allows.

I played Final Fantasy 14 from day one. It was fun for a month until I realized that every single square inch of Ul'dah, Gridania and Limsa Lominsa looked exactly like the first few feet right outside the city. Knowing in advance that the landscape way, wayyyyyyyy over there is going to look exactly like this little patch of dirt right here sort of ruins the whole idea of "exploring".

That being said, I will definitely give it another chance when FF14 2.0 launches.

Originally posted by pensseliseta

I used to be an MMO gamer like you, but then I took an arrow in the knee..

Well played, sir, well played! =)

Originally posted by WoW_Refugee

Originally posted by Ecoces

in the same boat i haven't been able to play a MMORPG without wishing it was more like skyrim. i basically quit the SWTOR beta because it wasn't skyrim and the SWTOR world felt dead compared to that of Skyrim.

 

oh im at quest hub 1, then after i do these quests i will go to quest hub 2 ... and so on and so forth. in skyrim after finishing the dark brotherhood line (HAIL SITHIS!!!!!!!!) i found myself just jumping in and thinking "im going to head west today". then as i said in a post a long time ago I was like the curiosity core of Portal as im travelling ...

 

"ooo whats that"

"what is that"

"hey look at that thing"

"ooo hey whats over there"

"oooo that thing has numbers on it"

"oh whats that over there"

"whats in heeerreeee?"

 

sorry but when an MMORPG can make me do that I will probably stick with.

That's the real draw of Skyrim for me. Yes, the graphics are gasp-inducing. But the sound is also near-perfect, the music is beyond excellent (there's this one tune that plays now and again near Whiterun- oh the violin -that just makes me stop and listen) and I don't know in advance what I'm going to find or where I am going to go. Sometimes, I just say "Ima go that way", and I explore every cave, ruin, fort, castle, labyrinth, and tomb I come across.

It's really suprising to see how bland most MMOs are in comparison.

While I enjoyed Skyrim for the week I played it, I couldn't help but feel alone without any actual HUMAN interaction. The fact it isn't an MMO, regardless of how life-like or gasp-inducing the graphics / music / gameplay are, makes me tire ultimately as I can never truly share any experience with a close friend or e-buddy.

MMOs are about the people, SRPGs are about the immersion. It'd be awesome to have one great at both, but that's very unlikely - though, I'm on the same boat that Skyrim should be an MMO. It's not though, and that is why I prefer to play MMOs in its stead.

Arche Age ...

Originally posted by Lobotomist

Its because in Skyrim we see natural evolution of games : Daggerfal -> Morrowind -> Oblivion ->Skyrim

While in MMO we are seeing de-evolution : UO -> EQ -> WOW ->SWTOR

Excellent perspective.  From massively-multiplayer games being massively-multiplayer with more open-world and community-centric organic content & rich features, to being single / cooperative online role-playing with heavily instanced redundantly confining maps and inorganic content with limited features.

Skyrim is that good? I have been hearing about this game everywhere. Maybe it's time to give it a go even though I need to watch my budget.

I hope it doesn't ruin my enjoyment of MMOs though.

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Originally posted by meilirs
Skyrim is that good? I have been hearing about this game everywhere. Maybe it's time to give it a go even though I need to watch my budget.
I hope it doesn't ruin my enjoyment of MMOs though.

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It will forever change your standard for what makes a good game. So there's that.

Skyrim has apparently become the first Western Game to receive a perfect score from a Japanese Magazine. Which is quite surprising and quite telling at the same time. http://www.computerandvideogames.com/327750/skyrim-is-first-western-game-to-get-famitsu-4040/

As for whether  or not the game has ruined MMORPG's for me, no. It only serves as a reminder of why I can't stand today's MMOs anymore. I still play online games but they aren't quite MMOs, I "quit" looking for an MMO with a "world" and rather just play some action-y title to pass time (Dragon Nest, Dungeon Fighter, etc). Nothing has really captured my attention, and Skyrim just destroyed every competition. The game is just...so great. The feeling of getting lost or simply adventuring and finding an interesting item, hearing the stories NPCs have to say or the small comments they'll say when they pass near you, the awesome graphics set at Ultra with a few graphic mods on top of it (Water, Night Sky, FXAA mod). Finding your way onto the top of a mountain to admire the view, etc. It's just great.

Originally posted by meilirs

Skyrim is that good? I have been hearing about this game everywhere. Maybe it's time to give it a go even though I need to watch my budget.

I hope it doesn't ruin my enjoyment of MMOs though.

No, its just the game Sandbox fans cream their pants over.

To people like me its an 8 at best.

Its oblivion with dual wield and wondering dragons, Little more.

I instaled skyrim 2 days ago. today at lvl 17 i finished the main quest killing that last dragon---> end game (indeed breathtaking graphic but  the fail of main story ...blah)

Look and feel, and the sense of awe simply by wandering the world; yes. Mmorpg's will pale in comparison for me too.

Character progression wise, social-wise and combat gameplay wise*: no.

Also I expect Swtor's stories / dialogues to be better. Because Skyrim is in fact a bit bland in that department in my opinion. (Apart from the side quests).

*in regards to combat gameplay: I think that manual aiming, real time blocking and an altogether realistic combat system, isn't more fun than tab targetted, cooldown based combat with skill cycles and abilities for every occasion. Because, as a matter of fact; typical mmorpg combat gameplay can be much more complex, diverse and challenging than simply shooting your bow, hacking away with a sword / mace / axe or nuking with your best spel, even if it feels more real.

Skyrim as a gameworld to sandbox in, is simply a work of art. But that's not all that makes a great and compelling game for a long time.

Originally posted by carpatian

I instaled skyrim 2 days ago. today at lvl 17 i finished the main quest killing that last dragon---> end game (indeed breathtaking graphic but  the fail of main story ...blah)

You don't play an Elder Scrolls game for the main quest.

I've put hundreds and hundreds of hours into Morrowind and Oblivion, and never finished the main quest for either game.

You're missing out on so much of the game if you stop at level 17 just because you beat the main quest line.

You owe it to yourself to explore the rest of the world and really try to experience it. Trust me.

Originally posted by DarkPony

Look and feel, and the sense of awe simply by wandering the world; yes. Mmorpg's will pale in comparison for me too.

Character progression wise, social-wise and combat gameplay wise*: no.

Also I expect Swtor's stories / dialogues to be better. Because Skyrim is in fact a bit bland in that department in my opinion. (Apart from the side quests).

 

*in regards to combat gameplay: I think that manual aiming, real time blocking and an altogether realistic combat system, isn't more fun than tab targetted, cooldown based combat with skill cycles and abilities for every occasion. Because, as a matter of fact; typical mmorpg combat gameplay can be much more complex, diverse and challenging than simply shooting your bow, hacking away with a sword / mace / axe or nuking with your best spel, even if it feels more real.

Skyrim as a gameworld to sandbox in, is simply a work of art. But that's not all that makes a great and compelling game for a long time.

Please explain how it is more complex.

I'm trying to be nicer around here, but that's hogwash. Themepark MMO combat is complex?!?!

well i dont see the point to lvl and gear up my char, just to one hit every creature on that world . if i dont have the chalenge ,is just boring to run around and admire the beautifull world. for me..