It can be hard as hell to get companies to help you even recover your passwords. I Lost so many games on steam and MMORPG companies and only companies that ever eventually gave me my accounts back where blizzard and NCSoft ( 5 months of run around via email, finnally decided to try phone support and got help right away)

FYI Seems like NCsoft is one of the few companies that actually helps you via phone, unfortunately thier email support is useless like everyone elses i delt with. I never had to call blizzard though since they actually helped  me via email when my account got stolen twice and when my dial -in auth phone number got disabled they helped me right away via email.

So yeah i am kind of hesitent  to keep all my eggs in one basket if you know what i mean.

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Originally posted by Brenelael

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Originally posted by Caskio

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Originally posted by I_Return

Are you done topic hijacking ?
 
Back on topic :
 
EA + Origin  = ??
 
I think EA will force it, they have done so in the past, and they will be overwhelmed with the ability to push this onto millions of players at one time when SWTOR launches. THe margin of profit is simply to high to not do it,
 
If they force orgin onto the players, what  will be the outcome ?

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EA + Origin = Who Cares...
If EA wants their own little steam like client they can create it.  Steam does the same thing with VAC bans.  If you're going to be angry and hate filled or a cheater then you should be banned.  Too many people feel safe saying or doing whatever they want on the net.  If you don't like what a company does then don't agree to their EULA/TOS.  But when you do that you can't play their game either.
And technically, when you buy a game, you are only buying the lisence to play the game, not the actual copy of softwarre.

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If you get banned from the Steam forums you don't lose all of the games you bought through them. You have to be caught hacking or otherwise violating the EULA of a game to get that level of ban. Their forum accounts and their game accounts are handled totally seperately. I'm not saying the OP is correct but if he is it should be quite a show once the class action law suits start flying.
 
Bren

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to add to that. Even if you do get caught say aimbotting/wallhacking in counter-strike source and you get a VAC ban for that, the only thing you will lose your access to will be multiplayer servers which are protected by VAC and even that will spread to specific engines/games. That is VAC ban in CS: Source doesn't influence your ability to play MW2 or CS: Condition Zero.

More here: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7849-RADZ-6869 and https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4044-QDHJ-5691

EA + Origin = Where I bought SWTOR and BF3.

There's this amazing thing in the world. It's given out for free, can be tricky to use at first and is definitely not always the most satisfying option.

It 100% completely negates any chance of an Origin account EVER getting banned by EA.

It's called Self-Control.

No matter what internet-drama story you want to come up with, theres always still the much more valid, EULA-abiding side of just being the better person and not devolving down to bannable-troll levels.

So someone aimbotted or called you a name, or some other petty grievance. Well, use the in-game reporting tools, or more over, the Not-A-Public-Forum reporting tools or e-mail address' that just about every game and company has.

Wanting to go rage on the forums is like barreling your car into a mall to scream for police that someone just stole your wallet. There's always a better way to go about the same thing without resorting to any self-righteous or attention-grabbing stunts.

And say someone does try to sue for denying access, it probably won't be a broad enough issue for class-action. Besides, those trials records would be amazing to read or watch. I can see it now:

"You were banned for making inappropriate posts to a forum, correct?"

"Yes your honor"

"Now, would you please explain to the jury and the court why you felt you needed to call Company X the following 2 page list of over 40 unique vulgarities and ethnic slurs, while knowing your were posting on a private forum?"

Because that's the thing. Do you want to spend your money to get a lawyer, goto court, then have to answer that question while sworn under oath? You can sue, but they can defend and counter-sue just as easily.

Originally posted by onthestick

Originally posted by Volkmar

Originally posted by onthestick

Originally posted by Volkmar

So be careful what you say on EA forums from now on, you are warned.

I don't think those who don't break any rules and  try to start trouble for sake of it got anything to worry about.

according to the article, no. Even perfectly normal guys that did not break any rules (unless you count someone insulting you as breaking a rule) got banned.

Maybe they are all lying, but the evidence against EA is quite mounting right now. There is also a long thread at the Escapist about it, not to speak of Destructoid and even the Examiner all picking up the story.

Usually if someone insults you it is always best to report the post aad not insult him / her back. As long as heated discussion stays till game and not get personal it is fine. So yeah it is breaking the rules if you re taliate in similar manner. in such a case both people get a ban or warning.

buuuut he never got that far. Because he was banned before he could answer in any way to those insults.

So To recap: Guy post on EA forum, someone else answer insulting him. The Guy gets banned. He lose access to ALL EA games.

Now the situation is clear?

Rock paper shotgun link:

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/12/05/ea-origin-bans-update-edition/

Destructoid:

http://www.destructoid.com/ea-will-ban-you-from-games-if-someone-else-swears-at-you-217219.phtml

Escapist thread (includes lots of links):

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.328868-EA-now-issuing-permanent-Origin-bans-through-content-filter?page=1

The examiner:

http://www.examiner.com/video-game-industry-in-national/origin-user-on-receiving-end-of-harassment-banned

Originally posted by Volkmar

 

Now the situation is clear?

 

Yes, i understand now but i hope it is an isolated incident and not a norm. After all, EA will also lose a lot of potential customers if cases like these happen frequently and i doubt they would want matters like this to escalate. I am always cautious when i visit Origina / EA forums, but if i am unlucky what has to happen will happen.

Don't use official forums, lesson learned.

I always believed punishment should be proportional to the offense. It seems EA takes it one step further. Regardless of how I feel about asinine behavior online, that is just dumb.

Then again their house their rules. It's just another reason not to buy anything EA related. It's funny how software pirates doesn't have to deal with this stuff

Originally posted by I_Return

I was reaing another forum and it seems that EA has been banning actual Origin accounts for an violation of a ToS or EULA. What does that mean ?

 

Lets say you hav your BF3 account tied on your same origin account as your brand new SWtOR collectors edition. One day in BF3 server and you you get hacked up like swiss cheese by some lame dude with aimbot. You head over to the official forums, rant up a storm, using foul language, and bam, you are banned from the forum. Guess what, they didnt ban you from just that forum, they have banned from your origin account. Any games tied to that account that uses online authorizatoin is unuseable.

 

When I bought my pre order through origina, I really didnt think that through, so that was yet another momumental thing that lead me to cancel.

 

The fact that almost all SWTOR will have to eventually be pushed into Origin is a little scary to me,

 

What do you thing the EA + Origin ='s to ?

Dont buy EA games problem solved:)  And this is realy NO BRAINER:)

Originally posted by Caskio

 

Steam does the same thing with VAC bans.

No , it doesn't.

If your account is hacked, then it's probably best if they shut down access across accounts until it's fixed. 

The amount of times it's due to a keylogger, or the like, is very large and those tend to get all accounts and passwords.  As such, they are helping protect players from losing all their stuff across games which can take weeks to get straightened out -AND- come back to bite the player if they missed one that they hadn't played in a while.

A central account system means the list can be sent and you then can clean your system, change all the passwords and get back to gaming more quickly and cleanly.

If it's banned for EULA issues - no sympathy.  Exercise some self control, develop manners and/or don't cheat at the games to get you banned.  Someone that is an ass-hat in one game, tends to be so across their games and those types of players aren't needed.

Upside:  Better protection if you are hacked and the ability to cleanly fix the problems across games, in 1 shot - then get back to gaming with all those "hacked!" problems corrected.

Downside of this?  Someone can't be a cheat or jerk in a game.  They'll need to be more polite plus follow the rules or the penalties will be across the games.

I doubt most will miss the mouths and cheats that keep showing up across games.  It may be fun for those doing so but it tends to ruin gaming for many others.  Long term:  They help get rid of those players that cost the game companies customers and impove those players gaming experience.

I really don't see any major downside to this.

Or, excercise what we adults call "self control".

Originally posted by I_Return

Originally posted by Caskio

 

Steam does the same thing with VAC bans.

No , it doesn't.

 

 

I want to make sure everyone is on the same page here with how Steam handles Vac bans.

No, forum bans will not lead to a Vac ban just because you got a forum ban.

No, I've never seen any "rage" get anyone Vac Banned

Yes, if you are Vac banned in one game, you are Vac banned in all games that use Vac on that account requing you to play in non Vac servers, which are usually aimbot festivals.

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Originally posted by marinrider

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Originally posted by I_Return

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Originally posted by Caskio
 
Steam does the same thing with VAC bans.

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No , it doesn't.
 
 

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I want to make sure everyone is on the same page here with how Steam handles Vac bans.
 
No, forum bans will not lead to a Vac ban just because you got a forum ban.
No, I've never seen any "rage" get anyone Vac Banned
Yes, if you are Vac banned in one game, you are Vac banned in all games that use Vac on that account requing you to play in non Vac servers, which are usually aimbot festivals.

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Correction for your last point and it is something I already posted before. Your VAC ban spreads only to the games on the same engine. That is, ban in CS: Source will affect TF2 but not Modern Warfare 2 or CS: Condition Zero.

s**t creek + paddling upstream = ?

So basicly you are worried that you won't be able to TROLL the forums ? Is that it really ? Grow up and stop using foul language in the Internetz  xD