Originally posted by aslan132

I wont even touch that last comment, because anyone who knows SOE knows they have never endorsed a Pay to win model, and theres not one item on the marketplace that effects end game gamplay or has stats higher than anything available in game. 

As far as all the naysayers complaining about not having new zones. Well, get over it. The zones are coming, I know for a fact theres Western Wastes, and all the zones connected to it, plus whatever dungeons and raids will be added. There will be AT LEAST the same number of existing Velious zones added, which means the number of velious zones will be doubling. The thing is, all the new 'content' you are touting about is gonna be given for free. Now of course they could have just held the expansion until sometime next year, and made you pay for the new zones like a normal expansion, or do what they are doing, which is to offer all new gameplay features and roll out the zones when they are ready. 

Either way people you would be paying for an expansion, features for free and pay for zones, or zones for free and pay for features. Are you seriously stuck in your ways so much so that you can only pay for zones? You are gonna be getting the same 'content' its just packaged differently this time. One way or the other you would pay for an expansion, and Im shocked that people cant see this. Honestly if you cant put the two together, you probably are better off in Star Wars, at least then, when the game fails in 6 months, which it will (ie Aion, Conan, WAR, etc) and you come crawling back to EQ2 you will have the new zones to come back to. :)

 

so essentially what you are saying is buy now ,get later(don't forget to cross fingers too) .hmm  if this is considered evolution then i am stuck in my old ways yes.

I am shocked you  are shocked that people expect a product to have substance to it.

I don't think anyone even shouted for an expansion this year anyhow ,so if they needed more time to create the zones and lore and add it to the features then great doubt many will complain.

But to simply add features and tell you don't worry zones will come .

Hey aslan , sent me $200000 and i will sent you a picture of the parking lot to  the apartment i promise to come with the house.Don't worry i will sent you a picture every month of each room of the house at a time.

Sounds good eh.

Also how short are people's memory.Fan faire just last year was a promise to keep expanding velious post DoV launch to be biggest expansion ever free of charge.So considering they said all new content will be velious part 2 then by that promise(broken now of course) it was meant to be free.

Unless you know of any new zones promised which is non velious ?

No matter how you paint it  you can easily see from  offical forums,eq2 flames etc that this expansion is heavily critized and SoE can ill afford to annoy its customers so close to the game you claim will fail .

dang double postage! :P lol

Originally posted by Leucent

Originally posted by Dunewarrior

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No, this expansion Pack is truely a feature box, and with the pricetag ... its way over priced for the fact that it brings NOTHING new to the game for those who actually ... you know, play the GAME and isnt obsessing about houses etc.

How isn t it bringing anything new, because theres no new raids? Minority is what you speak of. Lets see, beastmaster, seems new, mercs, seems new, DYOD, that seems new, Tradeskill app, hmm that seems new, seems as though you re not sure whats new and an "expansion" of a game.

What Leucent said. Basically you have lots of new game features which are quite complex (full new class, help with making groups by mercenaries, option to build new dungeons and play through player build dungeons, tradeskill apprentice to help with crafting and discover new recipes, reforging of equipment to modify its stats and adding particle effects, more AA).

That seems quite a lot to me. If you are not interested in it despite the broad are of topics that is covered - nobody forces you to buy it, not sure why you complain. Enjoy the free stuff and be done with it? And you can buy the expansion for $39.99 in preorder, collectors for $59.99. That looks reasonable to me as well. *shrug*

I only partially get the complaints. To those complaining this is only features and no contents, I say this... Desert of Flames had content... There. I already know for a fact that this expansion will be 100x better than DoF.

Also, why should they include zones and stuff in this expansion, when they are already working on numerous zones for free. Would you be happier if they just included the accompanying content updates with the expansion? What's the difference?

Originally posted by Dunewarrior

Asian132 ...

All the content your talking about was promissed for free a year ago, it have no bearing on the case.

What people are saying is this (pay attention i cant make it much simpler)

The price is not worth what this - so called expansion pack - contains, the content listed in the review contains elements that got NOTHING to do with the same expansion pack.

Simple as that,  argue all you want about changed business model yada yada... doesnt change that fact.

And .. you see i can chose NOT to pay - and i am, first time since launch im not purchasing an "expansion pack" - and the zones your telling me i will crawl back to play (dont think i said i was going anywhere, way to assume stuff right there, ill happily raid as ive done for years) will still be free.

 

Naysayers will be... well naysayers. First off, thats an L not an i, im not asian :P Second, i didnt quote anyone in my post because i wasnt talking about any one particular person. It was a generalization of the type of person that makes those same disparaging remarks. The type of person that leaves one MMO to go to another every time a new one is released. Like i said they will play SWTOR for about 6 months or so, them move onto whatever the next MMO that hits comes out. Ive played EQ2 since launch in 04, and there isnt another game released to date that can match it in terms of gameplay options and content.

So yes, some people feel that there isnt enough to warrant the price. Thats great, everyone has thier opinion, and I have mine. I raid hardcore, have since the beginning, and yes, as a raider there isnt anything being offered for that playstyle. Thems the breaks. I personnaly am looking forward to mercs (so i dont have to box all my alts, i just hire a merc), Tradeskill Assnts. I have a lvl 90 of every tradeskill and I love that theres something new and original to EQ2 crafting. Im totally rolling a BL to add to my army of alts, because well...they are awsome. Reforging can technically help raiders, since it does allow you to not just add particle effects to equipment but move around stats as well, and of course theres the 20 AA. Yes thats not alot, but to a raider, every point counts. If you choose not to get it, you will be outdone by those that do. Sorry.

Now a post or two up, someone mentioned that the zones we already promised free last year, so they arent doing us any favors there....well all i can say to that is DUH. Thats exactly why this expansion is only features and not zones. Because the zones were already planned to be offered for free. See how that works? They already said the reason these features are being introduced as an expansion like this is because they wanted to give us something more than the zones that were already planned from the start. Could they have just not added any new features and not had any expansion at all. Of course they could have. Me, im glad im getting more than just some zones over the next year or two. If you dont want the features dont buy the expansion. Its totally up to you. I have already preordered the CE myself. And 60 bucks is totally worth a new class, new AA, mercs, reforging, DYOD, and TS Assnts.

Originally posted by Gkarn

I am going with SWTOR, preordered. This will be the first expansion I have no bought, tired of SOE and it will be a long time before I play anything from them.

 

Hehe good luck with that, having participated in the beta of SW:TOR I can happily say the longer I tested the less I wanted to play it, in the end my last testing survey I checked the "wont be buying it box" and called it quits.

It is a polished game, runs well, no crashes, quests do what they say and the voice overs are well voice overs I can not fault it except that it is about as interesting as watching grass grow.

I have never enjoyed being lead through a game following a preset path which is SW:TOR, I like to explore and make my own way which sadly SW:TOR isn't.

As for this "expansion" I really don't know how I feel about it, part of me says this should have been a $10 Adventure Pack as I am not used to buying game mechanics I am more used to buying content.

In the end i will have purchased it and we will see how it works out.

My only problem is that anyone currently playing Eq2 I don't ever want to play with on any other games, because generally they are more of the easy type of player who demands things be given to them and are really lazy. EQ2 is nothing but a carebear type game where they hand you everything. I can not believe how easy EQ2 had become. I played a couple years the first 2 to be exact since launch and then it went all downhill since then, the game is very seducing to the easy minded players who are looking for an ultra casual style game. Not for me and certainly not the company I want to be around in upcoming not so casual, not so easy mmorpg's.

I agree with others that this "feature" expansion is overpriced

but its easy enough to wait a month or two for SOEs x2 SC promotions and get it for half price

or just subcribe for 8 months, you can wait, and get it for FREE

beginning 12/06, SOE is giving monthly subscribers 5.00 SC credit each month

regarding ongoing content (unrelated to the expansion)

gameupdates were outlined like this during the June fanfaire

GU62: Freeport (November)
GU63: Velious (February)
GU64: Velious (May)
GU65: Qeynos (August)

people still play this game? :(

The xpac has no new content.  dungeon maker is a joke for those of us who actually were in beta, and it will wind up the same way as dungeon finder, and that is not used very much.

Mercenaries,  just go to the forums in the beta area and read about that. The prices of the lower level mercenaries were fixed because of the cash outlay was not cost effective. However mercenaries at level 90 cost 5 plat to hire and 25 gold per 30 minutes to keep running, and if you dismiss one you got to go buy it over again.  That is steep.

Freeport revamp, we took an evil looking city and brushed out all the dinginess of it that made it freeport, we now look like we are in a clean city, the evil feel is gone.  The suburbs, class starting areas have been changed to questing instances only.  Since not many folks got in beta when this hits live it will be a storm.

So the only real thing your going to get with the xpac is beast lords, and an additional 20 aa to spend on your combat or trade-skill lines. 

This xpac has 0 new content as far as new zones, new raids and priced at 39.99 for the digital edition and 59.99 for the digital collectors edition it is way over priced.  All one has to do is read the forums, eq2wire, and eq2flames.  

The entire reason they are pushing this out is they hope to get the last 40 bucks out of somebody before the other new game gets up and running.  This coupled with the announcement of were going free to play all at the same time.

I been a huge supporter of eq2 for years, but this time I have to say they blew it totally.  I have zero confidence in Greg Jorgensen (smokejumper)  we call him smokeblower as that is all this is smoke and mirrors.  Trying to save a game that is dying.

What is happening here is a test bed for what they plan to do with eq2next.  When that rolls out eq2 will more than likely be shut down.

Originally posted by erictlewis

What is happening here is a test bed for what they plan to do with eq2next.  When that rolls out eq2 will more than likely be shut down.

all the rumors ive heard about EQnext imply it will be free to play and cross platform (like DCUO)

Ive never seen any mmo shutdown by the same company because a new version got launched

UO, EQ1, AC1 are all slugging along 10 years later

I'm sure the Freeport update offers lots of new quests, but graphically, it looks like a cartoony re-skin.  I really miss the days when EQ2 actually had potential and when the game actually had high production values.

This "expansion" makes me shake my head.  Where's the new content?  Am I honestly paying 40 dollars for a brand new class, a mercenary system, and dungeon creator?  I've always said EQ2's expansions were quantity over quality, but this is taking it to an extreme.

From the preview:

"There are more new features and additions in this expansion than many games have at launch."

Lol, what??

I've never seen a more shallow expansion than this, and I dare you, Mr. Murphy, to tell which games had less features at launch than this expansion, as you claim.

I like EQ2, I really do, but this piece of crap isn't worth money at all. As Biggus99 said, it looks more than an update, not an expanson.

Originally posted by Netspook

From the preview:

"There are more new features and additions in this expansion than many games have at launch."

Lol, what??

I've never seen a more shallow expansion than this, and I dare you, Mr. Murphy, to tell which games had less features at launch than this expansion, as you claim.

I like EQ2, I really do, but this piece of crap isn't worth money at all. As Biggus99 said, it looks more than an update, not an expanson.

I refused to pay soe for this xpac 40 bucks and you got nothing,  and yes if a game launched with less features than this xpac they would not live long. 

No new Zones, No new raids.  All it was was some mercs added and 1 class.    I love eq2 as well but they blew it,  the funny thing is everybody and their brother got the xpac in my guild except me. 

Originally posted by erictlewis

I refused to pay soe for this xpac 40 bucks and you got nothing,  and yes if a game launched with less features than this xpac they would not live long. 

No new Zones, No new raids.  All it was was some mercs added and 1 class.    I love eq2 as well but they blew it,  the funny thing is everybody and their brother got the xpac in my guild except me. 

Eq2 these days is dominated by a very negative and whiny minority of players. These people are weird. However the majority will buy AoD and be happy with it. I bought AoD for both my accounts and don't regret it.

Not including PVP....EQ2 is the all around most fun of any MMO IMO. There is so much to do and all of it is fun. It has gotten easier over time but the higher levels are still very challenging for the non hardcore players like myself. I just like questing and having fun with the lore. Enjoy the game. I have for nearly 7 years. :)