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12/07/11 10:06:43 AM#41

It is always a bad idea to define yourself by a negative.

You don't like elves... And I should care, why -- especially since that whole sad trope has been done to death and done far better? You don't like fantasy... So what? Tell me what you do like, what you are going to write about, not some blithering incoherent and meaningless rant against a popular form just so you can try and score points with the oddly large percentage of people frequenting this site that don't, won't, and can't grasp that most people play MMOs to escape the real world and have fun, in so doing they could give a crap less about Sandboxes or some random person's bizarre fear of pointy eared beings.


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12/07/11 10:13:08 AM#42

My comments are directed to the OP. I wanted to complement the writer on a great article. In this age of  childish mmos,and writers who feel they have to use crude street lingo to communicate with their audience, who they percieve to be of the same ilk.....your prose was both stimulating and refreshing.More please.


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12/07/11 10:19:15 AM#43
Originally posted by idgarad

Give me 8 million and I'll give you a Dune MMO.

Would that be the ultimate sandbox?

I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil


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12/07/11 10:20:29 AM#44

Nothing against elves.. if a developer wants elves id say ADD them!

The people that do support the *no elves* actually say stop cloning!.


sure i like elves but you create a game and add elves in it just like any other game added them with the exact same feeling and type and everything you wont see me playing ur product.

Cloning a game = AWFULL i wont sub to your game cus your elves look pretier then an older games elves give me good gameplay and i play ur elves


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12/07/11 10:20:31 AM#45
Originally posted by WhiteLantern
Originally posted by idgarad

Give me 8 million and I'll give you a Dune MMO.

Would that be the ultimate sandbox?

FUCKING DO IT. But don't base it on the movie. 


EDIT: I see what you did there.


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I tend to get discontent when I run out of content.

12/07/11 10:23:35 AM#46

Does this mean it is FINALLY time for Asheron's Call 3?

I mean instead of elves, dwarves, gnomes -- they actually managed to put a world together with virindi, olthoi, and lugians. 

You do NOT need to use ANY of the "original" fantasy races.  You can create a world that is completely different with all different monsters etc.

This is one of the big things that AC did that other MMOs didnt do before or after.


Note we are talking fantasy -- not scifi which by definition has different things than elves dwarves etc.  Personally I do not like scifi because offense trumps defense (IE the gun of whatever era).


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12/07/11 10:25:53 AM#47

I love fantasy.

Instead of hating fantasy why dont you write an article about hatred towardsFace-rolling, quest-hub-hopping,dungeon-findering, themeparks.


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12/07/11 10:29:29 AM#48

when i play a MMORPG the last thing i wan to be is a human thats what i am in real life

When i play LOTRO and am a hobbit why? because thats the only game i can be one ...

i like every races Elves include

I play MMO to be different then my real life period


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12/07/11 10:32:11 AM#49

Some elves are ok, my Elven Warden in  Lotro, is a defender of nature, but isn't a pansy that won't resort to violence.  I always RP very crude and rude when it comes to battling (for an elf).  RP in town usually begins with /me cleans the blood of his golden gleaming armor. :)


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12/07/11 10:33:13 AM#50

Im not against any race in fantasy MMO's. Im just against the 'disney-approved' implementations. Not just with the elves. But also when greenskins or undead look cute and/or clean. The candy coloured so called evil factions in LOTRO, WoW and EQ2..blegh!



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Pink, it's like red but not quite.

12/07/11 10:37:43 AM#51
Originally posted by xDayx

I love fantasy.

Instead of hating fantasy why dont you write an article about hatred towardsFace-rolling, quest-hub-hopping,dungeon-findering, themeparks.

Because those wouldn't be humorous or light-hearted?  They'd just be more oh-so-seriousface doom and gloom.

We need a break from seriousface once in a while, or the scowl might freeze on the face forever.

Now about those dragons that appear in

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.


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12/07/11 10:45:28 AM#52

Legolas does not approve of this column.

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12/07/11 10:45:50 AM#53

Sorry I just dont support this movement.  I started playing table top RPG's in the 80's and have progressed from them, to Card based games, to Video games and over the years I still would rather play a good High Fantasy based game over any other genre.  The only other genre that comes even close for me is Post-Apocalyptic but it isnt even close.  As much as I like Sci0fi in movies and books I still do not like it in my games because for what ever reason it just isnt as immersive for me.


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12/07/11 10:50:23 AM#54

I agree with most except wizards and dragons. Wizards would make great enemies and dragons would be great at ruling giant cities and working for I think. I really enjoyed the article.


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12/07/11 10:50:48 AM#55

Originally posted by Zylaxx

Sorry I just dont support this movement.  I started playing table top RPG's in the 80's and have progressed from them, to Card based games, to Video games and over the years I still would rather play a good High Fantasy based game over any other genre.  The only other genre that comes even close for me is Post-Apocalyptic but it isnt even close.  As much as I like Sci0fi in movies and books I still do not like it in my games because for what ever reason it just isnt as immersive for me.


I agree. I find anything other than High Fantasy hard to get into as far as immersion is concerned.


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12/07/11 10:58:50 AM#56

I like elves.  I vote no.


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12/07/11 10:59:29 AM#57

Originally posted by casskhaw

Originally posted by vesavius

I bet his first proper piece is about SWTOR, and that it is gushing and coincides with that launch.



.. actually, it's a toss-up between Fallen Earth and Shin Megami Tenshei Online


Shin Megami Tensei *_*


You, ma'am, have my respect. /respect


...even though I actually like Elves. Sometimes, at least.


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12/07/11 11:00:42 AM#58

You can't hate on Marx, or Jesus, he can hardly be blamed for all the things wrought in his name long after he was gone. But yeah, I can agree that tradiitonal pure fantasy is pretty oversaturated in the gaming market. It's a low-risk move for developers to make another one because the audience knows the premise already and can jump right in without much work. To sell an alternative world type is a risk that most developers don't want to take. The success of Fallout, etc, should indicate that you can step outside that fantasy box and still succeed. A sci fi MMO, steampunk-theme, postapocalyptic, historical, alternate history...there are so many other genres that could be explored. Bounty Hounds Online looks promising in this regard. You need a change of scenery every once in a while to stay healthy.

Ever onward,



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12/07/11 11:05:23 AM#59

I like elves. I like the dungeons and dragons style of fantasy. I prefer it over sci-fi.


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12/07/11 11:06:23 AM#60

No Dwarves as well?

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