Originally posted by ActionMMORPG

Originally posted by username509

They seem a bit biased against sandbox games but ultimately they ended up giving SWTOR another horrible review.  Check it out here.  http://sandboxer.org/?p=261

I know it's bad, but 2 out of 10 bad is REALLY friggen bad for an MMO.  

 

Funny stuff.  It reminds me of the themepark fan who reviewed Darkfall at release.  "ZOMG I couldn't find my quest hub".

 

Honestly, if they'd have liked the game I'd have been more concerned.

lol^^

Originally posted by kakasaki

Originally posted by LordRelic

lol gotta love sand box fan boys... They hate so hard on themepark mmo's, but they can not even point out 1 sandbox game that was  released in the last 4 years that was any good. or anywere near good.

Well DF may not be considered "great" by the majority of the MMO playing crowd but I think some would call it great and quite a few would at least agree it is okay... And ofcourse there is EvE. Not my cup of tea but has a large and dedicated following and I challenge anyone to call it "not any good" or "near good".

 

Ofcourse my fellow sandbox brethren would say that is the point. Developers haven't had the **** to be creative and create a great sandbox game instead on following the same old formula... 

To me this is a logical fallacy, how would a sandbox be new or creative? That design is even older than Themepark design...

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(from sandboxer review)
The cut scenes and voice actors are a nice touch but for the most part you’ll want to just skip over them even if you never scene them before.

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Really? SCENE them? I've seen 10 year olds with better writing skills than this pretentious twit. He isn't qualified to review a Pong clone let alone a big budget MMO.

Originally posted by Vryheid

[quote=sandboxer.org] The cut scenes and voice actors are a nice touch but for the most part you’ll want to just skip over them even if you never scene them before. [/quote]

Really? SCENE them? I've seen 10 year olds with better writing skills than this pretentious twit. He isn't qualified to review a Pong clone let alone a big budget MMO.

lol upset much? 

Originally posted by DarkPony

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

Lets make sure to get this placed in the "Reviews so far" stickie.  That is unless it's only for positively biased reviews.

That's what I would say if I wrote the article :P

 

Hehe...yep.  In any event, TOR is just the flavor of the month for positive and negative hype.  As with many others before it, the mass market beyond this little microcosm of a site will judge for themselves.

my only problem with the cut scenes was the fact that it slowed me down, while i enjoyed them I found myself space bar tapping past all but a few of them after I had played awhile.  When I wasn't in a hurry I sat back and enjoyed some of them, the interaction and the light side, darkside options made it pleasently immersive.

I think 2 points is pretty generous from a sandbox point of view.

i know my rankings, i use gamerankings.com everyday, 2/10 is despicable score, a 2/10 score would mean even if it was so under developed and still had so much long ways to go before it was to its full potential, it would still be abysmal and no better then the 2/10 ranking it started with, definitely not more then 3/10.  Theres a certain point of no return for a games ranking, a 2/10 is like top 10 worst games ever types of rankings since the first atari systems.

so to rank it that, in case anyone is wondering, would be a misnomer.

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by kakasaki

Originally posted by LordRelic

lol gotta love sand box fan boys... They hate so hard on themepark mmo's, but they can not even point out 1 sandbox game that was  released in the last 4 years that was any good. or anywere near good.

Well DF may not be considered "great" by the majority of the MMO playing crowd but I think some would call it great and quite a few would at least agree it is okay... And ofcourse there is EvE. Not my cup of tea but has a large and dedicated following and I challenge anyone to call it "not any good" or "near good".

 

Ofcourse my fellow sandbox brethren would say that is the point. Developers haven't had the **** to be creative and create a great sandbox game instead on following the same old formula... 

To me this is a logical fallacy, how would a sandbox be new or creative? That design is even older than Themepark design...

I did not mean that sandbox in itself is creative but to take the genre in a different direction. Look, I think we can agree that the MMO genre is becoming somewhat stale. Most of what is being released or developed seems to use the same old formula that WoW made such a success. I mean, can't we have more choice? And I include the lack of inovation on the latest offerings from the sandbox indie crowd. Why is the sandbox genre stuck in sanbox has to = "FFA full loot combat fest" at the expense of all the other elements that make a great sandbox MMO: meaningful crafting, city building, employee controled economies, choice to play your character how you want (fighter, crafter, diplomat, explorer, etc)?

Arghhh, I am just bad at expressing myself, I wish I could be a bit more eloquent as other posters here... 

Originally posted by Ocirusskd

whats funny is that everyone still feels driven to add another review to the pile of thousands out there, from the swtor is the greatest mmo ever, to the boring bland and all of them are saying "if you just stop being brainwashed and see things my way" do we really need more reviews? i'm pretty sure everyone has made up there mind at this point.

Pretty much.

Also considering that it are all just beta impressions, the majority from folks who have only played one or two weekends and still call their write-ups "reviews" and have the guts to flaunt their far-reaching conclusions and number-rate different aspects based on the little they saw of a few starter worlds and a glimpse of a capital.

You guys do know what happened here right?

This guy (or guys) opens up a sandbox fan site and wants to generate traffic...

He decides to A) review skyrim.. probably didn't get much traffic as people didn't need / care about a review; especially from a dinky little site.

He goes hmm... what would get traffic... let's see I'll review SWTOR and give it an absolutely horrible review... this will A) attract traffic and B) get sandbox fanboys to come to the site (like how conservatives listen to Rush Limbaugh).

He didn't care abut professionalism he just wanted attention and possibly ad money....

Sadly people who hate SWTOR desperately want to feel like they are right.... (and even more sadly there is no right or wrong.. but they haven't figured it out yet).

Originally posted by Ethian

Originally posted by Vryheid

[quote=sandboxer.org] The cut scenes and voice actors are a nice touch but for the most part you’ll want to just skip over them even if you never scene them before. [/quote]

Really? SCENE them? I've seen 10 year olds with better writing skills than this pretentious twit. He isn't qualified to review a Pong clone let alone a big budget MMO.

lol upset much? 

He's got a point I don't think I've ever seen so many words misspelled in a published article.

Creepy= Creapy, You're = your, Star Wars = Starwars,Seen = scene, they're = there, etc.. Definitely can't chalk these up as typos.

Add that up with the fact there wasn't an ounce of objectivity in this review, yeah...

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Originally posted by Ethian

lol upset much? 

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I just tells 'em as I sees 'em. And the fact that I'm pretty sure someone from this website posted that review, so I'm hoping to lure them out of hiding.

Originally posted by kakasaki

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by kakasaki

Originally posted by LordRelic

lol gotta love sand box fan boys... They hate so hard on themepark mmo's, but they can not even point out 1 sandbox game that was  released in the last 4 years that was any good. or anywere near good.

Well DF may not be considered "great" by the majority of the MMO playing crowd but I think some would call it great and quite a few would at least agree it is okay... And ofcourse there is EvE. Not my cup of tea but has a large and dedicated following and I challenge anyone to call it "not any good" or "near good".

 

Ofcourse my fellow sandbox brethren would say that is the point. Developers haven't had the **** to be creative and create a great sandbox game instead on following the same old formula... 

To me this is a logical fallacy, how would a sandbox be new or creative? That design is even older than Themepark design...

I did not mean that sandbox in itself is creative but to take the genre in a different direction. Look, I think we can agree that the MMO genre is becoming somewhat stale. Most of what is being released or developed seems to use the same old formula that WoW made such a success. I mean, can't we have more choice? And I include the lack of inovation on the latest offerings from the sandbox indie crowd. Why is the sandbox genre stuck in sanbox has to = "FFA full loot combat fest" at the expense of all the other elements that make a great sandbox MMO: meaningful crafting, city building, employee controled economies, choice to play your character how you want (fighter, crafter, diplomat, explorer, etc)?

Arghhh, I am just bad at expressing myself, I wish I could be a bit more eloquent as other posters here... 

 

the market is stale, but not becouse of lack of developers willing to take a chance. we have weeded out these games with our wallets. I hear people complaining about how crappy there old game is and want something new and then complain the whole time why there new game isnt more like there old game.

I agree wih his rating, but why on earth does he want to review a non-sandbox game?

LOLZ i didnt know the new SW game is a sandbox? wTF r they doing reviewing it?

Originally posted by kakasaki

 

I did not mean that sandbox in itself is creative but to take the genre in a different direction. Look, I think we can agree that the MMO genre is becoming somewhat stale. Most of what is being released or developed seems to use the same old formula that WoW made such a success. I mean, can't we have more choice? And I include the lack of inovation on the latest offerings from the sandbox indie crowd. Why is the sandbox genre stuck in sanbox has to = "FFA full loot combat fest" at the expense of all the other elements that make a great sandbox MMO: meaningful crafting, city building, employee controled economies, choice to play your character how you want (fighter, crafter, diplomat, explorer, etc)?

Arghhh, I am just bad at expressing myself, I wish I could be a bit more eloquent as other posters here... 

 

On that note I can agree, and just for clarity I prefer sandboxes by far. I'm holding out hope that something good will come from that sub-genre again in the MMO world. I also agree most attempts focus far to much on FFA PVP thinking they can simply reproduce what was great about UO, by simply offering that. While at the same time they forget everything that set the title apart.

Originally posted by Vryheid

 

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Originally posted by Ethian

lol upset much? 

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I just tells 'em as I sees 'em. And the fact that I'm pretty sure someone from this website posted that review, so I'm hoping to lure them out of hiding.

you sir have too much time on your hands, get a gd job ffs lol

While he has valid points for someone who likes sandbox games, the marks are so low it takes away all credibility. I can understand themeparks not being his thing but a 2/10, seriously. Well, 2/10  as a sandbox MMO is probably not all that bad for a genuine themepark. It probably would fare even worse on "tabletop-games.com". :P

Originally posted by username509

They seem a bit biased against sandbox games but ultimately they ended up giving SWTOR another horrible review.  Check it out here.  http://sandboxer.org/?p=261

I know it's bad, but 2 out of 10 bad is REALLY friggen bad for an MMO.  

Been playing games for 20 years ; The game for what it is is absolutely fantastic. Please note when i say "For what it is" not some utopian view I may have.....

For anyone giving it 2/10 it isn't a comparison of what the game really is and sadly not worth the ink , Zero credibiolity comes to mind.

To the OP: do you think the game is 2/10... ? Thats what I really want to know !!!!!