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  Starwars001

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OP  12/05/11 6:14:23 AM#1

SWtor does not need the latest greatest graphics, why complain about graphics. 

 

I mean  gameplay> graphics, and this statement is true.

Ill give you exmaples of mmo that have great great grpahics but nothing inside.

Vanguard, FFXIV, Mortal Online. Now look what happened to those mmo games. Oh and Age of Conan.

 

I rest my case. You Dont need the greatest latest graphics, mmo players dont need those things.

I mean come on why do you complain the grpahics look cartoony, as long as the gameplay holds.

 

  dubyahite

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12/05/11 6:20:14 AM#2
Eh... Some people are really into thegtaphics side of things.

This game isn't a photorealistic graphic style, which is fine by me, but I understand people wanting to have better an better graphics.

This game is simply not for them I guess. Plenty of people like this style of graphics though, as evidenced by TF 2, WoW, and a number of other popular games.

In the end it will be a deal breaker for some,but not for others. Doesn't really matter.

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  Plutonas

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12/05/11 6:30:10 AM#3

I agree and for myself i really love the graphics of WoW and thats why i keep playing this glorius game. And the gameplay of WoW is one of the finest. Also in the same vein of graphic style is SWTOR and i will be subscribed as well since it satisfies me graphically and the gameplay seems to be amazing... Another new mmo found a way to my heart!!!

  Vesavius

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12/05/11 6:34:07 AM#4
Originally posted by Starwars001

Ill give you exmaples of mmo that have great great grpahics but nothing inside.

Vanguard... FFXIV...

 

'Nothing inside'.... /boggle

 

Thats amazing statement aside... This isn't a conversation about style, because cartoon GFX can be done brilliantly as we see from Wildstar. It is really if they do what they are aiming for 'well' for a high budget new release.

I personally believe that SWTOR is most comparable to EQ2 GFX-wise, bearing in mind the age of that game.

Actually... looking at some EQ2 vids again, I would say that it as a game looks 'better' then SWTOR on a modern PC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZvK7qJz6zg&feature=related 

  Talthanys

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12/05/11 6:38:45 AM#5

You rest your case? You honestly believe you made a compelling argument?

Hey, gameplay IS more important than graphics. Except SW:ToR's gameplay is completely average, even failing to reach some of the levels of depth that many F2P games out there currently use. Unfortunately, their graphics are even less than that.

The graphics, I suspect, were intentionally tied to the overly simplistic and juvenile style of Clone Wars in order to create some cross-media consistency with their target audience; children. It makes sense, from a marketing standpoint, but also makes the game look like it was released 8 years ago.

So, while gameplay > graphics, in SW:ToR's case, the equation is more like: gameplay = graphics. Depending on your standards, that might be good enough.

  hercules

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12/05/11 6:43:26 AM#6

Because some people want to justify buying new rigs yearly ?

MMO  success stories have never been based on best graphics .WoW certainly was not a forerunner in graphics.

DAoC at launch did not even look as good as AO but did much better.

When UO came out the gaming industry has moved to 3D graphics long before  but made mmo a new gaming force.

Fact is no mmorpg hoping to hit the mass market will make a mmo that can not run reasonably on a 4-5 yr old system.

AoC and EQ2  paid the price for this.

  fadis

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12/05/11 6:44:51 AM#7

Good point.

No doubt the style is there to attract kids.  Game seems very oriented towards 10-13 year olds.

  Caldrin

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12/05/11 6:48:01 AM#8

Right now the year is 2011, you would expect a big company like EA/Bioware to be able to design a game with good gameplay and awesome graphics.. they have the tech to do it and they have the skill to do it.. and they also have the money to put into it.

 

Yet with SWTOR they seem to have messed up both.

 

As for AOC wel lthe graphics where not the issue they just released too early.. Now the game is probally one of the best PVE MMORPGs out there.

 

EQ2 was a great game but it was so far away from what EQ1 was i pissed everyone off... the graphics where really good for its time and stand up against modern MMORPGs.

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  hercules

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12/05/11 7:24:05 AM#9
Originally posted by Caldrin

Right now the year is 2011, you would expect a big company like EA/Bioware to be able to design a game with good gameplay and awesome graphics.. they have the tech to do it and they have the skill to do it.. and they also have the money to put into it.

 

Yet with SWTOR they seem to have messed up both.

 

As for AOC wel lthe graphics where not the issue they just released too early.. Now the game is probally one of the best PVE MMORPGs out there.

 

EQ2 was a great game but it was so far away from what EQ1 was i pissed everyone off... the graphics where really good for its time and stand up against modern MMORPGs.

actually i disagree .the inital sales could have done way better on both games.I can tell you off  head of at least 3 people who did not buy EQ2 simply because of the high specs at launch ,one been my brother ,a true fan of eq lore by the way.he eventually got it 2 years later when he changed his pc.And guess which game they all joied a month later - WoW.

Fact is most people with a family,mortgage  etc will struggle to justify upgrading a pc within  3-4 years.Its even worse for kids who rely on hand me down pc/laptop.

Even me who used to upgrade with 2 years max almost did not get AoC because  of specs.My system was already 3 years old then and struggled in AoC beta severely.Was gonna pass it as i was newly married and got a new mortgage so it was not a priority but luckily for me my PC graphics card died  few days before launch and got the 4800 whch just launched !

Now this is when i now earned £10000 extra compared to when i was unmarried  and could comfortably upgrade every year.

College students are luckier  because they usuaully get  a new laptop for college when they get in(thats how my nephew got his).

Family people and kids make a huge chunk of mmorpg players nowadays compared to the geekish times of EQ1 .

On that note though i see nothing wrong with swtor graphics  myself.

  dreamsofwar

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12/05/11 7:28:57 AM#10

This video is an interesting video for those who concerned about the games graphics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OskRij8AYaU

  Dren_Utogi

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12/05/11 7:29:15 AM#11
Originally posted by Starwars001

SWtor does not need the latest greatest graphics, why complain about graphics. 

 

I mean  gameplay> graphics, and this statement is true.

Ill give you exmaples of mmo that have great great grpahics but nothing inside.

Vanguard, FFXIV, Mortal Online. Now look what happened to those mmo games. Oh and Age of Conan.

 

I rest my case. You Dont need the greatest latest graphics, mmo players dont need those things.

I mean come on why do you complain the grpahics look cartoony, as long as the gameplay holds.

 

Vanguard has way to much inside of it then any normal human has the time to dive into.

 

I think SWTOR fans need to realize that Bioware had no intention of upping the graphics since their monolith of the perfect mmorpg was WoW. Any deviating off that WW trend would be "stupid" according to Bioware lead designer.

 

reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.

  User Deleted
12/05/11 7:32:51 AM#12
Originally posted by Starwars001

SWtor does not need the latest greatest graphics, why complain about graphics. 

 

I mean  gameplay> graphics, and this statement is true.

Ill give you exmaples of mmo that have great great grpahics but nothing inside.

Vanguard, FFXIV, Mortal Online. Now look what happened to those mmo games. Oh and Age of Conan.

 

I rest my case. You Dont need the greatest latest graphics, mmo players dont need those things.

I mean come on why do you complain the grpahics look cartoony, as long as the gameplay holds.

 

The whole gameplay>graphics only works if it's gameplay was superior to games with better graphics.  Certain games contain mechanics what would catch a computer on fire if they were attempted with a massive polygon count.  I don't see SWTOR taking full advantage at the lower quality engine (at least yet).

  Dren_Utogi

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12/05/11 7:39:51 AM#13

I would also add, pong has the most flawless game play in the world, yet we aren't all playing it :)

reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.

  Blackrayn

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12/05/11 7:42:10 AM#14
Originally posted by Caldrin

Right now the year is 2011, you would expect a big company like EA/Bioware to be able to design a game with good gameplay and awesome graphics.. they have the tech to do it and they have the skill to do it.. and they also have the money to put into it.

 

Yet with SWTOR they seem to have messed up both.

 

As for AOC wel lthe graphics where not the issue they just released too early.. Now the game is probally one of the best PVE MMORPGs out there.

 

EQ2 was a great game but it was so far away from what EQ1 was i pissed everyone off... the graphics where really good for its time and stand up against modern MMORPGs.

 I agree with the blue, I disagree with the red. A poster ahead of me kinda pointed this out. They want millions playing the game, not hundreads of thousands. And to have to play a super updated mind blowing graphics game, with good gameplay, the majority of people would need to upgrade. Putting a game out that can play on a 4-5 year old system is good econmics. Does it upset some, sure it does. But, it will make a lot more happier that they can buy it, and "not" have to upgrade their machine to play it.

  Stuka1000

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12/05/11 7:48:44 AM#15
Originally posted by Starwars001

SWtor does not need the latest greatest graphics, why complain about graphics. 

 

I mean  gameplay> graphics, and this statement is true.

Ill give you exmaples of mmo that have great great grpahics but nothing inside.

Vanguard, FFXIV, Mortal Online. Now look what happened to those mmo games. Oh and Age of Conan.

 

I rest my case. You Dont need the greatest latest graphics, mmo players dont need those things.

I mean come on why do you complain the grpahics look cartoony, as long as the gameplay holds.

 

For me it isn't the art style that is the problem; I'm fine with that.  The problem lies in the poor implementation of some aspects such as lighting.  This can be best seen either in some of the quest conversations when there are distinct and sharp triangular shadows or when running through an inside area.  The problem is caused by the light that is constantly on the players character bleeding over onto the npc in a convo; or seen as a jagged circle of light around the characters feet when moving.  Another problem is the clipping ( which I think is the correct term as I am no graphic artist ) when the players hair for instance is seen bleeding through the back of a hood or a vibroblade that appears to pass through the players body while carried on the back.  So not the art style but the errors in implementation.

 

Of course some graphics options were unavailable in beta so we will see what they are like when the game releases.

  rawfox

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12/05/11 8:53:12 AM#16

After playing in Beta for some hours, i can understand, why people compare SWTOR with WoW so mutch, it is painted with the same colors, so was the impression on the first view for me.

 

Yeah, it was honestly somewhat dissapointing and i dont mean the comic-style, i mean something lika a brilliance of objects what is also possible without these dx11 godrays but all the grafix felt more like superb dx8 gfx with dx9 special effects.

The characteranimations feel very static too, the head isnt turning, instead the whole char turns statically arround.

Age of Conan is still ages ahead in point character dynamics and thats not directX related at all, at least not dx11.

 

Never judge a game in beta.

I may sound somewhat negative, but im going to play it anyways because its a solid game, it ran superb on my computer and im a StarWars fan, no doubt im gonna touch it :D

 

Sadly i couldnt reach a point in game, were we can speak of "gameplay". I just reached lvl 7 on my Jedi and got chain spanked by Bengel Morr or Marr or so. Combat can be some fun, but im not sure if there is also some kind of learning-curve, at least here i would have expected some more innovations but its the well known, what must not be something bad.

Also in point of combat AoC is ages ahead, but this can be explained with, what the developers/producers want.

So it was more some interactive book to experience instead of a game with actually "gameplay".

I just missed these "boah thats outstanding" feeling a little.

 

Otherwise, this interactive book offers different stories, depending on the answers you give, directing you to the light or the dark side, what i found most innovative, at least the first levels, so if i could not found something "new" within the grafix, i could find something new with this playable book.

 

Im looking forward for what else is in their stores.

 

Ofcause it does not need tha latest grafix, its a question of design and if the grafix fit the image inside the procuders head.

I cant say more from 5 hours of playing SWTOR, under the bottom it made a very nice impression to me, i cant wait for launch :D

 

May the force ... you know the drill ^^

 

  User Deleted
12/05/11 9:01:49 AM#17

I find it funny that people complain about the cost of upgrading a computer when they toss $60 down for a game and another $180 a year on subs without even thinking about it much... and in some cases, have multiple accounts to boot.  If you really are on the verge of bankruptcy, why in the world are you wasting your precious money on video games?  I'll bet everyone has a tablet PC, a cellphone, a laptop, a gaming system (if not 2 or more), and a whole host of games.  Add that all up... a new computer would have been cheap by comparison.

  ktanner3

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12/05/11 9:06:43 AM#18
Everyone has their pet peeves. When the first screenshots were released for this game I didn't like the graphics either. They have come a long way for the better since then and now graphics are not an issue for me with this game.

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  User Deleted
12/05/11 9:08:44 AM#19

It doesn't. But it gives the trolls one more thing to start flame threads about.

  Zefire

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12/05/11 9:09:57 AM#20
Originally posted by Starwars001

SWtor does not need the latest greatest graphics, why complain about graphics. 

 

I mean  gameplay> graphics, and this statement is true.

Ill give you exmaples of mmo that have great great grpahics but nothing inside.

Vanguard, FFXIV, Mortal Online. Now look what happened to those mmo games. Oh and Age of Conan.

 

I rest my case. You Dont need the greatest latest graphics, mmo players dont need those things.

I mean come on why do you complain the grpahics look cartoony, as long as the gameplay holds.

 

You lack to underastand what is art style and what is graphics in general.

The most stupid is me that  i still hanging in these forums with so unexperienced people.

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