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  Airwren

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12/01/11 11:11:19 AM#61

It's all Obi-wan's fault!

  AG-Vuk

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12/01/11 12:26:23 PM#62

Two reasons. CU, NGE.  They abandoned/never implemented the precepts of the game completely changed the dynamic and never compensated for the drastic changes .

  User Deleted
12/01/11 7:11:54 PM#63

Well for one the embarrsing thing is that SWG has more features than TOR, even after NGE. TOR PVP is terrible, there is NO race selection in TOR, just a few types of human and human with tentacles on his head. Getting rid of galaxies might make people forget that all TOR is, is a graphically superior reinvensioned version of the NGE, if you didn't like the idiotic simplicity of the NGE no way your gonna like TOR, I can tell you as someone who played wow for over 3 years and a bunch of other mmorpgs, this game looks like trash. I wouldn't be suprised if it were a FTP title with a cash shop in under 6 months.

  User Deleted
12/01/11 7:15:00 PM#64
Originally posted by AG-Vuk

Two reasons. CU, NGE.  They abandoned/never implemented the precepts of the game completely changed the dynamic and never compensated for the drastic changes .

I agree that the NGE was a disaster. But, the current dev team has done a remarkable job with it at this point. If I could take some of pre-CU and some of the NGE and relaunch it, it would be absolutely amazing.

  amimia

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12/01/11 7:23:39 PM#65
Originally posted by Azaria

Well for one the embarrsing thing is that SWG has more features than TOR, even after NGE. TOR PVP is terrible, there is NO race selection in TOR, just a few types of human and human with tentacles on his head. Getting rid of galaxies might make people forget that all TOR is, is a graphically superior reinvensioned version of the NGE, if you didn't like the idiotic simplicity of the NGE no way your gonna like TOR, I can tell you as someone who played wow for over 3 years and a bunch of other mmorpgs, this game looks like trash. I wouldn't be suprised if it were a FTP title with a cash shop in under 6 months.

The reason why NGE never took off is Vets like myself lost alot when the game changed. Now TOR is new and I know what the game is going into it. Now if Bioware changes the game like removes the Voice Acting or something dramatic then i would leave it as well like i did and 80% of the other SWG subs did. I understand your opinion that the game is trash but I think its good. I enjoy myself and I feel like I am back with my old friends from SWG. SWG was fun but what made SWG was the community back in the day and alot of that community is going to TOR so that makes me feel good and I know i will enjoy it.

I want to ask why is it that everyone says a game is going to go FTP in less than 6 months and say it as a slam. Alot of games have gone this direction and its not bad. Even the MMO king WOW is working its way to FTP with the AH idea in Diablo and FTP to lvl 20 also selling all the digital items on the side. I just dont understand why people think FTP is a slam like calling people NOOBs in a mmo, yep they probably are new lol.

  User Deleted
12/03/11 2:55:06 AM#66

I played pre NGE and after for a little while, I had fun after but couldn't stay.

 

Shame.

 

I need a damn MMO that isn't related to $0E or WoW, AND worth pissing on.

  ktanner3

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12/03/11 11:49:50 PM#67
Originally posted by Azaria

Well for one the embarrsing thing is that SWG has more features than TOR, even after NGE. TOR PVP is terrible, there is NO race selection in TOR, just a few types of human and human with tentacles on his head. Getting rid of galaxies might make people forget that all TOR is, is a graphically superior reinvensioned version of the NGE, if you didn't like the idiotic simplicity of the NGE no way your gonna like TOR, I can tell you as someone who played wow for over 3 years and a bunch of other mmorpgs, this game looks like trash. I wouldn't be suprised if it were a FTP title with a cash shop in under 6 months.

Keep dreaming. TOR is ten times the game SWG ever was and is going to be around for quite awhile.

Currently Playing: Star Wars The Old Republic

  PukeBucket

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12/03/11 11:51:29 PM#68

Cuz LucasArts and SOE says so. I'm thinking EA might have had a word in on it.

Bandit servers will probably pop up.

I used to play MMOs like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee.

  User Deleted
12/04/11 12:07:01 AM#69

Some reasons.

1. typical Soe rushed game

2. destroying everything and dumbing it down with the NGE

3. EA telling LA not renewing the license cause they think their linear game will interest some of the SWG crowd.

I really hope we will see some emulated SWG preNGE servers.

 

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Keep dreaming. TOR is ten times the game SWG ever was and is going to be around for quite awhile.

[/quote]

Hype victim much? TOR doesn't have:

- custom stats after receiving a level up

- no real open world

- atrocius crafting

- you had to earn being a Jedi

- more races

...

 

oh yeah TOR has VO most people will turn off soon cause standing pat for minutes just to receive anotther FedEx, go kill quest just is lame.

  djmtott

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12/04/11 5:26:47 AM#70

It's a pretty easy answer, and it's MONEY. Just have to understand how business works.

SOE paid a periodic flat fee to use the Star Wars IP. Subscriptions have been in decline for years now, and that SWG was part of the SOE Station Access plan helped keep it going past where it would have died otherwise. As much as people hated the TCG (myself included) it did inject more money to keep our game going even longer.

It just came down to the fact that the amount of money coming in from Subscriptions/Station Access/TCG was not enough (or not projected to be enough in the future) to offset the costs of development/maintenance/licensing fee. 

SW:TOR and SWG would not have been competitors. TOR is looking for subscriptions in the millions while SWG was numbering in the tens of thousands at most. The two are so far apart in scale there is no way SWG was even a minor threat. I laugh at the people theorizing that LucasArts doesn't want SWG to compete with TOR.

Revenue was down already and I'm sure they projected future revenue to be down even more considering all of the new AAA titles coming out between now and the end of 2012.

 

  wilberg

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12/04/11 6:20:06 AM#71

Mommy, why does Spike have to be put to sleep? Rabies aren't that bad...

  GreenHell

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12/04/11 7:06:15 AM#72

I don't know how anyone can even compare TOR and SWG. The only thing that they have in common is the SW IP. SWG was made in a different time for a different type of player base. It was launched buggy as hell but that was pretty normal back then. When compared to other MMO launches of that time (like AO) it wasn't all that bad.

SWG had it's day. In many ways it was an amazing game that implemented some very unique features. Even if the CU and NGE had not happened SWG would not be a huge thriving success. In truth it never was. The majority of todays MMO players do not want what SWG had to offer.

 

  AG-Vuk

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12/04/11 7:59:15 AM#73
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by Azaria

Well for one the embarrsing thing is that SWG has more features than TOR, even after NGE. TOR PVP is terrible, there is NO race selection in TOR, just a few types of human and human with tentacles on his head. Getting rid of galaxies might make people forget that all TOR is, is a graphically superior reinvensioned version of the NGE, if you didn't like the idiotic simplicity of the NGE no way your gonna like TOR, I can tell you as someone who played wow for over 3 years and a bunch of other mmorpgs, this game looks like trash. I wouldn't be suprised if it were a FTP title with a cash shop in under 6 months.

Keep dreaming. TOR is ten times the game SWG ever was and is going to be around for quite awhile.

I'm not so sure. Based on my access, it didn't give me that impression. That's not say it won't be a good game . SWG had an vastness to it that I don't believe SW:TOR will. I just don't see complexity in this game , in it's pre-release form. That's not to say it isn't there or can't be developed . Looking at the body of work,  of the developer , there is potential for it to be good to great , also completely disappointing.  

  amimia

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12/04/11 5:38:34 PM#74
Originally posted by AG-Vuk
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by Azaria

Well for one the embarrsing thing is that SWG has more features than TOR, even after NGE. TOR PVP is terrible, there is NO race selection in TOR, just a few types of human and human with tentacles on his head. Getting rid of galaxies might make people forget that all TOR is, is a graphically superior reinvensioned version of the NGE, if you didn't like the idiotic simplicity of the NGE no way your gonna like TOR, I can tell you as someone who played wow for over 3 years and a bunch of other mmorpgs, this game looks like trash. I wouldn't be suprised if it were a FTP title with a cash shop in under 6 months.

Keep dreaming. TOR is ten times the game SWG ever was and is going to be around for quite awhile.

I'm not so sure. Based on my access, it didn't give me that impression. That's not say it won't be a good game . SWG had an vastness to it that I don't believe SW:TOR will. I just don't see complexity in this game , in it's pre-release form. That's not to say it isn't there or can't be developed . Looking at the body of work,  of the developer , there is potential for it to be good to great , also completely disappointing.  

 lol you cant compare the 2, its like comparing oil with water. YEs they both are liquids but different types of materals. SWTOR is a themepark and SWG is a sandbox. 2 different gaming experience. 1 thing that no one ever brings up is that SWG was very linear that it was based off of a very small time frame of the lore and they did not do well breaking out of that mold due to so many people watched the movies a billion times. Now with SWTOR not alot of people know much about this period of time so its an open book and they can expand on it a lot. This is where I think SWTOR is going to excel. Now its up to Bioware and LA to make sure this happens. If they treat it like SOE and LA did it before with SWG then I think it will be doomed after a year of being out. I think Bioware is a better company and they listen a little more and I have confidence in their ability to create good games. SOE well I lost hope for them a long time ago.

  User Deleted
12/04/11 5:44:18 PM#75

Why does SWG have to die?

1.) SOE

2.) CU

3.) NGE

  amimia

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12/04/11 6:40:28 PM#76
Originally posted by Soopaman

Why does SWG have to die?

1.) SOE

2.) CU

3.) NGE

 I 100% agree with this!

  echolynfan

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12/04/11 6:42:01 PM#77

John "The Sith Lord" Smedley: You don't know the POWER of Lucas Arts.....I MUST obey my master!

 

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  KyngBills

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12/05/11 12:36:48 PM#78
Originally posted by Soopaman

Why does SWG have to die?

 

2.) CU

 

 

Right because the Game was doing so terribly during the CU...lol

The Pre CU crowd just cracks me up...

The NGE killed SWG...PERIOD! My Guild went from over 20 REAL active Players to 3 in one day...

I was there Pre and Post CU...My first Guild grew RAPIDLY AFTER the CU and became one if not the biggest Reb Guild on Flurry...It was thriving...The Game was thriving...The player base overall had little problem with the CU...The Game had it's issue no question...But what Game doesn't? 

This quote from Massively... "The catch - the thing that few people recall these years later - is that the Combat Update worked. Afterward players found engaging in combat a far more rewarding experience, and (the rumour goes) subscriptions actually rose back to at-launch levels. Perhaps even beyond."

All I know is I was there, and sure a few people did not like the CU...But 9-10 in My Guild had NO problem with it whatsoever...And they LOVED some of the stuff the CU brought with it...Legends grow over the years...And the legend that the CU had anything to do with the death of SWG is complete and total myth...In fact had they just stuck with the CU and grew the Game from there, it would have been fine...Not WOW Sub numbers by any means...But still fine...

 

  Kooshdin

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12/05/11 12:42:03 PM#79

SWG is not SWG anymore its NGE SWG based on how world of warcraft was.

It had to die so all the star wars fans get together on swtor and play a different kind of SW MMO.

The success of this Star Wars MMo will determine the type of future SW mmo that comes.

Its important all star wars fans get together and play this game and let NGE SWG rest.

Last time the darkside overpowered SWG causing the NGE.

This time now that weve all recovered from the changes to SWG we can make a difference

to the outcome of waht happens with this game.

Youve seen the cinematics for this game ? The Sith Look worse than last time lol

We need all the Star Wars players together for this game :)

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  TUX426

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12/06/11 11:48:06 AM#80
Originally posted by PukeBucket

Cuz LucasArts and SOE says so. I'm thinking EA might have had a word in on it.

Bandit servers will probably pop up.

Uh huh...and I bet Bioware had a say in it and Activision probably had something to do with it too right?
 And Bethesda with Skyrim probably got some input. Think George had anything to say about it?

 

The truth is...nobody but SOE chose this. In fact, Smedley himself has stated that Lucas Arts PROBABLY would have renewed the license...but HE (he is SOE btw) didn't even bother trying.

"We have a contractual relationship that's ending in 2012... That's the problem with licenses: they end...back in 2001 when we [first] negotiated it, a five year license seemed like a really long g****** time. EverQuest was only a year or so old at that point. Could we have renegotiated? Maybe, but I don't think that would be the right thing for the company."

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