Originally posted by Drachasor

Originally posted by Warmaker

It's also going to be interesting if Valve charges a fee for getting a player mod through Steam.  If they do, there's going to be a sh!tstorm.

If this happens, then I imagine the modders will be able to set a price and make some cash for their work.  That would probably do more to strengthen the modding community in general, though it would definitely hurt the Nexus site a great deal since people wouldn't want to put their mods there for free (I guess they could adapt to that, potentially).

So far no mention of money as best I can tell, so it probably isn't going to happen.  We'll have to wait and see.

I remember back in the Morrowind days that an issue about people selling their mods where brought up. It was said that this wasn't legally possible, and is violation of some user agreement or something.

Sorry that's all I can share, and I don't know anything more about it, especially the legality thing.

Originally posted by kashiegamer

Originally posted by Drachasor

Originally posted by Warmaker

It's also going to be interesting if Valve charges a fee for getting a player mod through Steam.  If they do, there's going to be a sh!tstorm.

If this happens, then I imagine the modders will be able to set a price and make some cash for their work.  That would probably do more to strengthen the modding community in general, though it would definitely hurt the Nexus site a great deal since people wouldn't want to put their mods there for free (I guess they could adapt to that, potentially).

So far no mention of money as best I can tell, so it probably isn't going to happen.  We'll have to wait and see.

 

I remember back in the Morrowind days that an issue about people selling their mods where brought up. It was said that this wasn't legally possible, and is violation of some user agreement or something.

 

Sorry that's all I can share, and I don't know anything more about it, especially the legality thing.

If Bethesda allows it then it can happen.  That's where the legality comes in.  Blizzard allows it explicitly with Starcraft II.  Bethesda could theoretically do the same with Skyrim.  I'm not saying they will, but I think we'll either see modders setting prices OR mods be downloaded for free on Steam.  It's going to be one or the other.  Anything else is crazy.

Originally posted by Drachasor

Originally posted by kashiegamer

Originally posted by Drachasor

Originally posted by Warmaker

It's also going to be interesting if Valve charges a fee for getting a player mod through Steam.  If they do, there's going to be a sh!tstorm.

If this happens, then I imagine the modders will be able to set a price and make some cash for their work.  That would probably do more to strengthen the modding community in general, though it would definitely hurt the Nexus site a great deal since people wouldn't want to put their mods there for free (I guess they could adapt to that, potentially).

So far no mention of money as best I can tell, so it probably isn't going to happen.  We'll have to wait and see.

 

I remember back in the Morrowind days that an issue about people selling their mods where brought up. It was said that this wasn't legally possible, and is violation of some user agreement or something.

 

Sorry that's all I can share, and I don't know anything more about it, especially the legality thing.

If Bethesda allows it then it can happen.  That's where the legality comes in.  Blizzard allows it explicitly with Starcraft II.  Bethesda could theoretically do the same with Skyrim.  I'm not saying they will, but I think we'll either see modders setting prices OR mods be downloaded for free on Steam.  It's going to be one or the other.  Anything else is crazy.

Oh yes, oh yes, I remember something along those lines. You rang a bell in my memory.

Back then when the nexus wasn't the central meeting place of modders, there was a time when some people charged  people for downloading their mods or the mods they hosted on their site(I dont know how many got fooled). The mod community got upset and they talked about something along these lines:

"you can't sell mods because...in the user agreement... cant make money out of Bethesda's game without their permission... plus out of respect for the mod's authors..."

Something along these lines.

I remember that because back then there was no "community rule" yet, because modders were basically unprotected (there was no law regarding distribution of mods), so some people just basically edit other people's mods and distribute them on their own, others don't even credit other people's own resources, while others just basically try to claim they were the one's who made someone else's mod.

The community found a way to stop (the charging of mods, at least, by forgers/thieves) some of them by turning on to Bethesda's agreement or something like that. It was just a little down the road before the community strengthened and formed their own agreement (such as in nexus, if a resource is found in your mod that isn't yours, your mod will be taken down immediately, etc).

Everything that goes tru steam is bad.

Originally posted by patrikd23

Everything that goes tru steam is bad.

Sure is 2003 in here.

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by DarLorkar

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by Xondar123

Originally posted by Tardcore

Digital distribution isn't the future, its already the present, we don't disagree on this point. But that argument is meaningless because a retail box game requiring a customer to then register with and download Steam to play it would be just like if a person did go out and physically purchase a CD and then found he had to register and download iTunes to play it.

 

My issue with this has nothing to do with how good (or bad) Steam is for consumers. It has nothing to do with the future of game distribution. It revolves entirely around the customer being forced to use a service they neither need or want , to play a game they already payed for, that in reality has no need for this third party service to be functional. And in the case of them using steam, and the TES as an option to distribute third party mods, I don't like THAT idea because it further cements Bethesda's and Steam's cooperation meaning I can look forward to seeing this annoying state of affairs with future games.

 

If you have no issue with this then great, more power to you, but step the f**k off my nuts and stop telling me how I should feel about it, how I should spend MY money, what is good or bad for ME, or how I feel about steam reflects my outlook on gaming in general.

Um sorry, but all you are doing is railing against the latest in a long line of DRM. Your choice is still the same now as it has been for a long time. Either buy the game ..or not.

 

I for one like the fact that, as far as DRM goes, Steam seems to be the one i have the least issues with.  I personaly like that a game i bought on steam will have mods to add to the game all in the same place. And i can be pretty sure that they will all work together seamlessly, Steam, the game, and mods.

 

DRM is here to stay, i am afraid. Might as well go with the best of a what can be some really screwy DRM schemes they come up with from my perspective.

Yeah I think that pretty much sums it up. Funnily enough though in this case my choice thus far has been NOT. I've played the game a few hours on my friends computer and feel it is brilliant. But the detractors of the game for me, the annoying consolesque UI and not having a choice about using steam have actually kept be from buying a game I otherwise feel is one of the best single player RPGS of the past decade.

And steam as a DRM measure is just as useless as every other one they've tried as the cracked version of the PC game was out same day as the games US release and I think the Xbox version was leaked almost a week in advance of the game release. So sadly even with steam as a requirement people determined to avoid paying for the game but playing it anyway are still doing so. Oddly enough though steam being a requirement DID stop at least one customer who would have happily otherwise bought a copy, from doing so. You have to admit that is a bit weird to say the least.

You misunderstand the brilliance of Steam then. I can wait to get Skyrim so that when I do I'll get it during a sale; the same way I got Oblivion Game of the Year Edition with all the DLC and the expansion for $8:50 (US, I got it for cheaper because the Canadian dollar was so high back then.)

And after I've bought Skyrim Game of the Year Edition for $8:50, it will download and apply all the patches for me, I will have easy access to mods through Steam Workshop, and I can use the forum to find good mods/work out technical issues for the game.

So Steam becomes DRM where I can get cheap games and have them conveniently taken care of for me, DRM that I buy into.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to play Portal 2.

Well, you can still manually mod w.e. that cannot be take away unless the game was fully server-side. I see this as one of the most positive things to happen. A big name game company creating a user friendly modding kit to which you can also upload content via steam is simply awesome. Essentially this is the core of pc gaming, and when a company understands that and helps to promote it that is always a +1 for me. This will extend the life of the game substationally, without paying more at all. I love when companys put out modding tools to customize your game, it is sadly not seen often enough at all! I know crytek does still, not sure on many others. 

Originally posted by Xondar123

I'd say that any PC gamer who ISN'T on Steam probably doesn't like video games very much, or doesn't like their money very much. Steam is incredibly convenient and really cheap.

Until the owners of Steam decide they're not getting as much money as they could elsewhere and pull the plug. Where does that leave all those people who reply on their service to activate/play games? Having a place to download things from is fine, having to activate things online using a third party when you've bought DvD/CD's retail is ridiculous and will lead to lots of people having coasters in a few years time.

Personally I'd rather miss out on a few games than put all my gaming eggs in one steaming basket.

Originally posted by korat102

Originally posted by Xondar123

I'd say that any PC gamer who ISN'T on Steam probably doesn't like video games very much, or doesn't like their money very much. Steam is incredibly convenient and really cheap.

Until the owners of Steam decide they're not getting as much money as they could elsewhere and pull the plug. Where does that leave all those people who reply on their service to activate/play games? Having a place to download things from is fine, having to activate things online using a third party when you've bought DvD/CD's retail is ridiculous and will lead to lots of people having coasters in a few years time.

Personally I'd rather miss out on a few games than put all my gaming eggs in one steaming basket.

So basically you are basing your opinions of some imaginary scenario you just made up in your head.

Where's the tinfoil hat police when you need'em

Nope. I'm basing my opinions of Steam on experience. You don't really imagine that the people running it have your best interests at heart? If so, can I sell you a timeshare?

I can honestly say I have never had any problems with Steam.  In fact I like the fact that I can delete games, knowing that I can just re-dowload them when I need.  It puts many of my games in one place where I can always find them.  I don't really see a downside.  Unless there is some catostrphic failure at steam, in which case I'm screwed.  Of course that goes for my money to.  All of it is in one place.  If my bank has a catostophic computer failure, I'm toast.  

Originally posted by Z3R01

I think it's good.

I know quite a few players that wouldn't use mods in Oblivion because they were confused on how to apply them.

This is great for the players that aren't mod savvy. While the people on Nexus can still do what they've been doing if they want too.

 this is a very sad response, sorry.

All it takes is someone with a 1st grade reading ability, the ability to follow instructions, and the ability to 'right click/cut'. its not hard nor do u even need the 'installers'

Steam getting it just sticks of 'let us take all the work they did and make it ours'

Not happy, I like that 'good mods' get famous because they are good, not because they are on steam.

(Whenever I install games that used valve or steam, I ALWAYS disabled that option, and played without. Yes its quite easy to do this, but to explain how would prob get me a ban, while its compleatly NOT illigeal, just google up a solution...)

Originally posted by korat102

Nope. I'm basing my opinions of Steam on experience. You don't really imagine that the people running it have your best interests at heart? If so, can I sell you a timeshare?

Crazy people often don't think they are crazy themselves. I would like to hear about your experiences where steam ran off with all your games because they ran out out of income from their business.

Best interest at heart?. Really? That's your argument?.. You can make that argument for every single business on the planet. People create a business to make money period. Often because they have a passion for what they do. Not to mention it's quite possible to create a business that benefits both parties, the customer and the company. infact that's how a successful business operate.

I'm not trying to convert you but as I said earlier. Some of you could use a healthy dose of meds to take the edge off that paranoia that everybody is out to screw you over.

Originally posted by Omnifish

Bad idea.

 

Steam is a commerical portal for game purchases.  Sticking mods by fans of the game on there is bad on two counts.

You points might have been valid if steam had not been used for years to distrubute mods for HL2. That is why you know that those communities will not die off. Even now so many years after the release of HL2 the modding scene is alive and kicking still.

Is it the way to DLC? Yes Garry's mod took the route, you have to pay for Gmod 10+, but that has been the decision of the mod developer not of valve. So this also gives mod developer a way to earn some money from there work, with mean you might end up with better quality mods. Although Garry's mod is the expetion can not not recall more expension you have to pay for.

In fact this also happens without steam. Take mount and blade: Fire and Sword. That really is noting more then a glorified mod. It's a good addition and lots of work went into it and was worth paying for, but still could have been a mod.

An benifit of steam however is that you mod is always up-to-date (yes you can deactivate that) so no need to constantly keep an eye on the mods website to see if a new version is released. At the end however I will not use it, unless steam changes the way it does it now. Mods are hard to find and when you find a mod the information is not to informative. So you still have to use sites as Nexes for information, opinions, etc.

Originally posted by jacklo

Originally posted by Starpower

Originally posted by Omnifish

Bad idea.

 

Steam is a commerical portal for game purchases.  Sticking mods by fans of the game on there is bad on two counts.

 

1. This is pretty much one step away from chargeable DLC, Bioware have been doing this for a while with the Dragon Age franchise.  The first Dragon Age came with a toolkit, the second didn't probably because EA realised how much they made from DLC purchases of the first game and wanted to control the whole pie.  Now there's barely any mods for Dragon Age II.  Bethasda have released expansion packs before but this looks like a back handed way to control access to content through a deal with Steam.

2. It'll probably destory community sites like Nexus and Fileplanet, who've not only been tremendously helpful to Bethasda in development but have contributed a hell of a lot of quality mods for FREE.  In this day an age you never want to alienate a fanbase whose that dedicated and this will.

 

Oh and if you want conveniance go play on a console.  Messing around with config files and settings is par of the course with mods and PC games..

There is a whole lot of 'ifs, probably, close to and almosts' in that post to label this a bad idea. There certainly isn't any facts other than wild speculations and fears. lets stick to what is... not what may or could be

 

1. Having deals on games pop up from a piece of software you launch your games on, isn't a bad idea. Gamers buy games, We like deals.. what's the problem?

2. The whole 'I need to be online with steam' has been debunked time and time again. If you don't have an internet connection to register your game. Move back to civilization. If you can't afford an internet connection.. how are you affording games? Being that strapped, you should probably prioritize elsewhere than a gaming hobby.

3. Plug and play isn't bad words. Having to bypass, modificate or otherwise spend time online researching to get something to work is archaic and quite frankly belong to the 80's namely the DOS era. the fact you like fiddling with those things doesn't make you special. Well maybe it does but not in the good sense. You certainly don't speak for the PC community.

How absurb is that statement?

Ever played on a laptop, took it with you to visit friends or parents or on vacation where there is no Internet access. Now you can't play your game cos you bought it through Steam. That's gotta suck... but your head's so far up your own ass you won't care.

Majority don't even understand what im trying to say here with this topic. Why do you think so many easely hook up with all the social networks smartphones and put there whole life on internet its not that they dont care its lack of knowledge and consequence of there actions.

Also if it becomes a little bit complex they eather quit or keep whining untilll they get there ezmode. Thats also why so many play on consoles or laptops or hook up all there games with steam. Most prolly dont even understand what freedom or privacy is lol. They think when im at facebook-twitter-google or steam im smart and being accepted by all my friends and evolve with modern age. Instead in future they become the new slaves there whole life lays in the open on internet and companys or even criminals rule there lifes and they even dont realise or know lol.

Those who are still free and annonymous on internet (this absolutely dont mean your doing illegal things its just that you prtect your freedom and privacy)keep it in there own hands dont have facebook-twitter-google smartphones or steam-origin-ubisoft-battlenet are the ones who realy enjoy total freedom:)

Believe me in few years time many will regret they have not listend to those who refuse to bow to the internet DRM forces or got into social networks.

Im just kidding forget what i have said here its your own life and your own discision who am i to judge what you should do or do not right:)

Do whatever you want or like to be honest i dont care what others do if they put there whole life on the line its there business right:)

Have fun with steam its prolly least of evils so far as i can tell or dont have steam and have fun without.

Originally posted by forest-nl

Originally posted by jacklo

Originally posted by Starpower

Originally posted by Omnifish

Bad idea.

 

Steam is a commerical portal for game purchases.  Sticking mods by fans of the game on there is bad on two counts.

 

1. This is pretty much one step away from chargeable DLC, Bioware have been doing this for a while with the Dragon Age franchise.  The first Dragon Age came with a toolkit, the second didn't probably because EA realised how much they made from DLC purchases of the first game and wanted to control the whole pie.  Now there's barely any mods for Dragon Age II.  Bethasda have released expansion packs before but this looks like a back handed way to control access to content through a deal with Steam.

2. It'll probably destory community sites like Nexus and Fileplanet, who've not only been tremendously helpful to Bethasda in development but have contributed a hell of a lot of quality mods for FREE.  In this day an age you never want to alienate a fanbase whose that dedicated and this will.

 

Oh and if you want conveniance go play on a console.  Messing around with config files and settings is par of the course with mods and PC games..

There is a whole lot of 'ifs, probably, close to and almosts' in that post to label this a bad idea. There certainly isn't any facts other than wild speculations and fears. lets stick to what is... not what may or could be

 

1. Having deals on games pop up from a piece of software you launch your games on, isn't a bad idea. Gamers buy games, We like deals.. what's the problem?

2. The whole 'I need to be online with steam' has been debunked time and time again. If you don't have an internet connection to register your game. Move back to civilization. If you can't afford an internet connection.. how are you affording games? Being that strapped, you should probably prioritize elsewhere than a gaming hobby.

3. Plug and play isn't bad words. Having to bypass, modificate or otherwise spend time online researching to get something to work is archaic and quite frankly belong to the 80's namely the DOS era. the fact you like fiddling with those things doesn't make you special. Well maybe it does but not in the good sense. You certainly don't speak for the PC community.

How absurb is that statement?

Ever played on a laptop, took it with you to visit friends or parents or on vacation where there is no Internet access. Now you can't play your game cos you bought it through Steam. That's gotta suck... but your head's so far up your own ass you won't care.

Majority don't even understand what im trying to say here with this topic. Why do you think so many easely hook up with all the social networks smartphones and put there whole life on internet its not that they dont care its lack of knowledge and consequence of there actions.

Also if it becomes a little bit complex they eather quit or keep whining untilll they get there ezmode. Thats also why so many play on consoles or laptops or hook up all there games with steam. Most prolly dont even understand what freedom or privacy is lol. They think when im at facebook-twitter-google or steam im smart and being accepted by all my friends and evolve with modern age. Instead in future they become the new slaves there whole life lays in the open on internet and companys or even criminals rule there lifes and they even dont realise or know lol.

Those who are still free and annonymous on internet (this absolutely dont mean your doing illegal things its just that you prtect your freedom and privacy)keep it in there own hands dont have facebook-twitter-google smartphones or steam-origin-ubisoft-battlenet are the ones who realy enjoy total freedom:)

Believe me in few years time many will regret they have not listend to those who refuse to bow to the internet DRM forces or got into social networks.

Im just kidding forget what i have said here its your own life and your own discision who am i to judge what you should do or do not right:)

Do whatever you want or like to be honest i dont care what others do if they put there whole life on the line its there business right:)

Have fun with steam its prolly least of evils so far as i can tell or dont have steam and have fun without.

 

You are only part right. It's true that there are people out there not aware what happens to their private information online. However and this is just my personal experience..

I have been pretty vocal in RL to friends and family about Facebook and their privacy IE what their information is used for. How Facebook could sell it all to the highest bidder etc. It happened with skype which sold out to Microsoft which bought it because of the marketing value.

Explaining it to the average person and they do get it. They also feel the risk is worth the reward or they simply don't care. Only very few take it to heart but eventually return. People don't use social media because of ignorance only. They simply don't care because to them the benefits outweigh the possibility somebody sits with their information out there using it for god knows what.

It's a concious choice with many.

No matter where you go online. Every forum you sign up to and the things you post is registered. There really isn't any privacy online unless you are super paranoid and use all kinds of countermeasures to avoid detection. You also have to opt out on buying anything online

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by Starpower

Originally posted by Omnifish

Bad idea.

 

Steam is a commerical portal for game purchases.  Sticking mods by fans of the game on there is bad on two counts.

 

1. This is pretty much one step away from chargeable DLC, Bioware have been doing this for a while with the Dragon Age franchise.  The first Dragon Age came with a toolkit, the second didn't probably because EA realised how much they made from DLC purchases of the first game and wanted to control the whole pie.  Now there's barely any mods for Dragon Age II.  Bethasda have released expansion packs before but this looks like a back handed way to control access to content through a deal with Steam.

2. It'll probably destory community sites like Nexus and Fileplanet, who've not only been tremendously helpful to Bethasda in development but have contributed a hell of a lot of quality mods for FREE.  In this day an age you never want to alienate a fanbase whose that dedicated and this will.

 

Oh and if you want conveniance go play on a console.  Messing around with config files and settings is par of the course with mods and PC games..

There is a whole lot of 'ifs, probably, close to and almosts' in that post to label this a bad idea. There certainly isn't any facts other than wild speculations and fears. lets stick to what is... not what may or could be

Reasonable enough outlook, however if we wait until the what ifs become unpleasent fact, then we are already screwed.

 

1. Having deals on games pop up from a piece of software you launch your games on, isn't a bad idea. Gamers buy games, We like deals.. what's the problem?

I don't like being forced to watch advertisements. That is my choice and none of your business to decide whether I should take issue with them or not.

2. The whole 'I need to be online with steam' has been debunked time and time again. If you don't have an internet connection to register your game. Move back to civilization. If you can't afford an internet connection.. how are you affording games? Being that strapped, you should probably prioritize elsewhere than a gaming hobby.

I don't recall anyone here saying you had to be online with steam to play the game. That isn't their issue. The fact you have to register your information with a third party digital retailer, and install their otherwise completely uneeded software for a game bought at a retail store is a what is sticking in some peoples craws. As to the rest of yout arrogant little diatribe about internet connections, again none of your business to tell someone else how and where they should spend their money, and that statement just makes you look a bit of a dickhead.

3. Plug and play isn't bad words. Having to bypass, modificate or otherwise spend time online researching to get something to work is archaic and quite frankly belong to the 80's namely the DOS era. the fact you like fiddling with those things doesn't make you special. Well maybe it does but not in the good sense. You certainly don't speak for the PC community.

I agree, easier functionality isn't a dirty word. And on not speaking for the whole PC or gaming community, neither do you sir, yet you seem to have no issue trying to do so earlier in your own post.

 

Thanks Tardcore, I was going to respond but the guy who posted that went so completely straw man I didn't really want to get into it :)

I like this idea, Steam to me is an awesome thing, OMG but I need to be on the interwebs to access my game !!!, oh wait I am connected to high speed interenet 24/7 .

Ya I know osme poeple arnt, but lets face it its almost 2012 , for most access to the net is not a big deal.

There are some disadvantages to steam I guess, but for me the advantages far outweigh them, as for myself I have never had any problems with steam, games always work fine.

Originally posted by Omnifish

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by Starpower

Originally posted by Omnifish

Bad idea.

 

Steam is a commerical portal for game purchases.  Sticking mods by fans of the game on there is bad on two counts.

 

1. This is pretty much one step away from chargeable DLC, Bioware have been doing this for a while with the Dragon Age franchise.  The first Dragon Age came with a toolkit, the second didn't probably because EA realised how much they made from DLC purchases of the first game and wanted to control the whole pie.  Now there's barely any mods for Dragon Age II.  Bethasda have released expansion packs before but this looks like a back handed way to control access to content through a deal with Steam.

2. It'll probably destory community sites like Nexus and Fileplanet, who've not only been tremendously helpful to Bethasda in development but have contributed a hell of a lot of quality mods for FREE.  In this day an age you never want to alienate a fanbase whose that dedicated and this will.

 

Oh and if you want conveniance go play on a console.  Messing around with config files and settings is par of the course with mods and PC games..

There is a whole lot of 'ifs, probably, close to and almosts' in that post to label this a bad idea. There certainly isn't any facts other than wild speculations and fears. lets stick to what is... not what may or could be

Reasonable enough outlook, however if we wait until the what ifs become unpleasent fact, then we are already screwed.

 

1. Having deals on games pop up from a piece of software you launch your games on, isn't a bad idea. Gamers buy games, We like deals.. what's the problem?

I don't like being forced to watch advertisements. That is my choice and none of your business to decide whether I should take issue with them or not.

2. The whole 'I need to be online with steam' has been debunked time and time again. If you don't have an internet connection to register your game. Move back to civilization. If you can't afford an internet connection.. how are you affording games? Being that strapped, you should probably prioritize elsewhere than a gaming hobby.

I don't recall anyone here saying you had to be online with steam to play the game. That isn't their issue. The fact you have to register your information with a third party digital retailer, and install their otherwise completely uneeded software for a game bought at a retail store is a what is sticking in some peoples craws. As to the rest of yout arrogant little diatribe about internet connections, again none of your business to tell someone else how and where they should spend their money, and that statement just makes you look a bit of a dickhead.

3. Plug and play isn't bad words. Having to bypass, modificate or otherwise spend time online researching to get something to work is archaic and quite frankly belong to the 80's namely the DOS era. the fact you like fiddling with those things doesn't make you special. Well maybe it does but not in the good sense. You certainly don't speak for the PC community.

I agree, easier functionality isn't a dirty word. And on not speaking for the whole PC or gaming community, neither do you sir, yet you seem to have no issue trying to do so earlier in your own post.

 

Thanks Tardcore, I was going to respond but the guy who posted that went so completely straw man I didn't really want to get into it :)

No strawman in anything i wrote. Only thing I'm guilty of is not specifying whom I wrote what to.  I would think it would be obvious however since people know what they wrote in their own posts. My first paragraph was for you. The rest was in response to others who have been posting in this topic. Instead of adressing everybody individually I gathered all in one post.

Somebody complained about advertisements - adressed

People often complain even in this thread about having to be online - adressed

Somebody posted about how people should stick to consoles if they don't feel like figuring out how to install things on their own - adressed

Where's the strawman or better yet and valid points from your part? Unless you count a whole lot of if's and but's valid points. I'll give you a thumbs up if you can at least explain why steam DRM is bad for you based on reality. Not any what if's scenarios. I like to deal with the reality we live in not wild speculations

Originally posted by Starpower

Originally posted by Omnifish

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by Starpower

Originally posted by Omnifish

Bad idea.

 

Steam is a commerical portal for game purchases.  Sticking mods by fans of the game on there is bad on two counts.

 

1. This is pretty much one step away from chargeable DLC, Bioware have been doing this for a while with the Dragon Age franchise.  The first Dragon Age came with a toolkit, the second didn't probably because EA realised how much they made from DLC purchases of the first game and wanted to control the whole pie.  Now there's barely any mods for Dragon Age II.  Bethasda have released expansion packs before but this looks like a back handed way to control access to content through a deal with Steam.

2. It'll probably destory community sites like Nexus and Fileplanet, who've not only been tremendously helpful to Bethasda in development but have contributed a hell of a lot of quality mods for FREE.  In this day an age you never want to alienate a fanbase whose that dedicated and this will.

 

Oh and if you want conveniance go play on a console.  Messing around with config files and settings is par of the course with mods and PC games..

There is a whole lot of 'ifs, probably, close to and almosts' in that post to label this a bad idea. There certainly isn't any facts other than wild speculations and fears. lets stick to what is... not what may or could be

Reasonable enough outlook, however if we wait until the what ifs become unpleasent fact, then we are already screwed.

 

1. Having deals on games pop up from a piece of software you launch your games on, isn't a bad idea. Gamers buy games, We like deals.. what's the problem?

I don't like being forced to watch advertisements. That is my choice and none of your business to decide whether I should take issue with them or not.

2. The whole 'I need to be online with steam' has been debunked time and time again. If you don't have an internet connection to register your game. Move back to civilization. If you can't afford an internet connection.. how are you affording games? Being that strapped, you should probably prioritize elsewhere than a gaming hobby.

I don't recall anyone here saying you had to be online with steam to play the game. That isn't their issue. The fact you have to register your information with a third party digital retailer, and install their otherwise completely uneeded software for a game bought at a retail store is a what is sticking in some peoples craws. As to the rest of yout arrogant little diatribe about internet connections, again none of your business to tell someone else how and where they should spend their money, and that statement just makes you look a bit of a dickhead.

3. Plug and play isn't bad words. Having to bypass, modificate or otherwise spend time online researching to get something to work is archaic and quite frankly belong to the 80's namely the DOS era. the fact you like fiddling with those things doesn't make you special. Well maybe it does but not in the good sense. You certainly don't speak for the PC community.

I agree, easier functionality isn't a dirty word. And on not speaking for the whole PC or gaming community, neither do you sir, yet you seem to have no issue trying to do so earlier in your own post.

 

Thanks Tardcore, I was going to respond but the guy who posted that went so completely straw man I didn't really want to get into it :)

No strawman in anything i wrote. Only thing I'm guilty of is not specifying whom I wrote what to.  I would think it would be obvious however since people know what they wrote in their own posts. My first paragraph was for you. The rest was in response to others who have been posting in this topic. Instead of adressing everybody individually I gathered all in one post.

Somebody complained about advertisements - adressed

People often complain even in this thread about having to be online - adressed

Somebody posted about how people should stick to consoles if they don't feel like figuring out how to install things on their own - adressed

 

Where's the strawman or better yet and valid points from your part? Unless you count a whole lot of if's and but's valid points. I'll give you a thumbs up if you can at least explain why steam DRM is bad for you based on reality. Not any what if's scenarios. I like to deal with the reality we live in not wild speculations

It's strawman becuase you used my post to start a rant about why people don't like steam.  If you wanted to do that you could have just created your own post rather then referencing mine as it clearly looks like your trying to counter my points.

Also you don't have any valid points if we're defining it by your own defintion.  You critiise me for, 'wild speculation', and then wildly speculate why some other people don't like you've beloved Steam, (e.g. 'poor internet connection, 'don't like deals on an online portal', and your most ludicrous one yet, 'Stop living in the 80's man!').

And your doing it again, did I say anything about DRM in my post? No, I'm concerned for the community who've been with Bethasda for ages and what potentially it could mean for them.

It may mean nothing in, 'reality', to those people but it could change the whole relationship between modders and publishers.  If buts and maybes are what we are dealing with here because the outcome is unknown.  I'm not a fan of Steam but if you are, thats your choice.  The reality here is that you have a view point and you seem to want to attack anyone who doesn't share it with whatever comes to mind, regardless of what they actually wrote.