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  sanosukex

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OP  12/02/11 3:38:14 PM#141
Originally posted by maskedweasel

Thats what beta forums are for,  fixes and suggestions,  but if you were in the closed beta you would also take note of the overwhelming positive opinion given when BioWare asked for focus testing.   Overall negative opinions were very few and far between.

 

Seeing as I'm still in beta,  the forums are still pretty light on "critical" posts in comparison to positive ones.   

Directly from the BETA forums.. RIGHT... NOW.. :)

 

View Poll Results: How well do you like SWTOR? Rate from 1-10
1 (horrible) 29 0.69%
2 12 0.29%
3 29 0.69%
4 44 1.05%
5 (average) 133 3.16%
6 122 2.90%
7 338 8.04%
8 1,036 24.65%
9 941 22.39%
10 (excelent) 1,519 36.14%
Voters: 4203. You have already voted on this poll
 

4203 people out of the millions said to play is hardly an indication of how the masses will view this game come release and months after. We shall see though

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html

  Distopia

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12/02/11 3:39:40 PM#142
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by Distopia

That said is it a hard concept to understand that many may feel TOR feels differently than you think it does?

it IS actually and mainly the fact I'm a HUGE star wars fan I love Star Wars through and through. I have read many many star wars books I have the huge star wars encylopedia book(thing is massive if you haven't seen one). I think a game like this deserves the player to immerse themself in the story(since the story is obviously were MOST of the games money went) and in the world and from all the examples already posted I feel they are failing in that regard

Your opening sentence could apply to me as well I also had the old encyclopedia, (when I was like 20, 13 years ago) etc..

I was immersed in the story and world. Loved seeing references to things I read in comics (tales of the jedi), seeing places I never have brought to life etc.. preferences and opinions differ.

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  maskedweasel

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12/02/11 3:42:06 PM#143
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by maskedweasel

Thats what beta forums are for,  fixes and suggestions,  but if you were in the closed beta you would also take note of the overwhelming positive opinion given when BioWare asked for focus testing.   Overall negative opinions were very few and far between.

 

Seeing as I'm still in beta,  the forums are still pretty light on "critical" posts in comparison to positive ones.   

Directly from the BETA forums.. RIGHT... NOW.. :)

 

View Poll Results: How well do you like SWTOR? Rate from 1-10
1 (horrible) 29 0.69%
2 12 0.29%
3 29 0.69%
4 44 1.05%
5 (average) 133 3.16%
6 122 2.90%
7 338 8.04%
8 1,036 24.65%
9 941 22.39%
10 (excelent) 1,519 36.14%
Voters: 4203. You have already voted on this poll
 

4203 people out of the millions said to play is hardly an indication of how the masses will view this game come release and months after. We shall see though

This is not the weekend beta.. this is the CBT -- meaning players that played MORE than just 1 weekend.. this is daily play.

 

(they may pool the weekenders now.. really can't recall)

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  Johnie-Marz

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12/02/11 3:44:00 PM#144
Originally posted by Twizted26
Originally posted by Johnie-Marz

 

It's Tabula Rasa all over again...

 

Great! I loved that game.

I actually did too , but thats not what he was referring to as both games have a completely diffent feel to them. 

he was referring to Tabula Rasa as the Rise and fall of an mmo. 

I know, But I have to say this about Tabula Rasa. I waited fo a long time for the game. I must have miss heard when it was coming out because I went to game stop about a week or so early. I asked if they had "Tabula Rasa" and they had no Idea what I was talking about.

I knew right then that Tabula Rasa might be in trouble, if it wasn't on the radar of the people working for Game stop. Seriously they had never heard of the game and it was a week before it was to be released.

I don't think TOR suffers from that problem.

 

  sanosukex

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OP  12/02/11 3:45:21 PM#145
Originally posted by maskedweasel

This is not the weekend beta.. this is the CBT -- meaning players that played MORE than just 1 weekend.. this is daily play.

 

(they may pool the weekenders now.. really can't recall)

yet again proves what I have been trying to say people have been way to lenient on this game during testing and not enough critical feedback.. No way in hell should this game be getting that many 10/10s

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html

  CazNeerg

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12/02/11 3:48:08 PM#146
Originally posted by sanosukex
yet again proves what I have been trying to say people have been way to lenient on this game during testing and not enough critical feedback.. No way in hell should this game be getting that many 10/10s

No game should ever get a 10, because no game is perfect.  That being said, giving a game a high score doesn't mean somebody is being "too lenient," it just means the game gave them what they were looking for.  Not every player prioritizes the same elements.

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  maskedweasel

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12/02/11 3:48:41 PM#147
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by maskedweasel

This is not the weekend beta.. this is the CBT -- meaning players that played MORE than just 1 weekend.. this is daily play.

 

(they may pool the weekenders now.. really can't recall)

yet again proves what I have been trying to say people have been way to lenient on this game during testing and not enough critical feedback.. No way in hell should this game be getting that many 10/10s

lol,  but thats the thing,  you don't control what other people rate or how other people feel!    If people feel that way,  then maybe you should just try to understand that your feelings are not the majority here.

 

I rated the game an 8 btw.    That being said,  maybe I'm not in the majority either.  All you can do is decide for yourself.. and stop trying to decide for other people - you only get 1 vote in that poll.... and that only speaks for you. 

 

Just because you don't like their choices doesn't mean you can change them.  

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  Johnie-Marz

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12/02/11 3:50:12 PM#148
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by maskedweasel

This is not the weekend beta.. this is the CBT -- meaning players that played MORE than just 1 weekend.. this is daily play.

 

(they may pool the weekenders now.. really can't recall)

yet again proves what I have been trying to say people have been way to lenient on this game during testing and not enough critical feedback.. No way in hell should this game be getting that many 10/10s

I read posts saying TOR is going to suck because the majority of the testers think it sucks. Then we get a poll that shows that isn't true, now TOR is going to suck because the majority of the testers enjoy the game. Oh well, I guess you just can't win.

 

  User Deleted
12/02/11 3:54:05 PM#149

The only problem with that poll is it's not independent, its from the TOR website and part of their offiicial forums. The TOR forums have long since been dominated by pro star wars fans and Themepark lovers for well over a year now. I dont see how they wouldn't all like the game or just say they liked the game even if they didn't play it.  I mean about 4000 people probably makes up a relativly small percentage of forum goers. I can make a poll or you can make a poll and if everyone on this site likes it getting 4000 votes up or down isn't all that hard.

  WhiteLantern

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12/02/11 3:55:36 PM#150
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by maskedweasel

This is not the weekend beta.. this is the CBT -- meaning players that played MORE than just 1 weekend.. this is daily play.

 

(they may pool the weekenders now.. really can't recall)

yet again proves what I have been trying to say people have been way to lenient on this game during testing and not enough critical feedback.. No way in hell should this game be getting that many 10/10s

Calm down. You just need to step away I think. Quite simply, you are not impressed with the game so you blame everyone else for not being as hard on it as you. It's OK to not like it. It's also ok to like it.

 

Hate to wade into this one, but remember all the Star Trek fans up in arms because STO wasn't what they wanted? In that case, they were probably the majority and STO didn't do as good as it should have. I think here you are in the minority.

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  sanosukex

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OP  12/02/11 3:56:44 PM#151
Originally posted by maskedweasel

lol,  but thats the thing,  you don't control what other people rate or how other people feel!    If people feel that way,  then maybe you should just try to understand that your feelings are not the majority here.

 

I rated the game an 8 btw.    That being said,  maybe I'm not in the majority either.  All you can do is decide for yourself.. and stop trying to decide for other people - you only get 1 vote in that poll.... and that only speaks for you. 

 

Just because you don't like their choices doesn't mean you can change them.  

I don't control what other people think but giving enough examples and making a good case of things that really need to get fixed will help the longevity of this game and is good for the community and will help bioware shape the game into something more long term.  Also I'm not so self conceited I feel my opinions should be viewed and agreed upon by everyone but that's what forums are for. For discussion

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html

  kalinis

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12/02/11 3:58:28 PM#152

im afraid to haters white its not ok to like this game . to them they are the only ones qulified to tell us waht we can or cant like or play

IM a bit tired fo there calling us every name in the book because we had fun in tor. Im tired of beign called simple minded for likeing tor

IM tired of there lies which are to many to list that they tell about tor. 

The truth is if u like this game to people u are naive simpleton who doesnt deserver the right to chhoose the game up lay

They should be allowed to tell us what to play and not and if we defy them they should be allowed to make sure the game in canceld so no one can play it because only they know what a fun and good game really is.

  sanosukex

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OP  12/02/11 4:01:57 PM#153
Originally posted by WhiteLantern

Calm down. You just need to step away I think. Quite simply, you are not impressed with the game so you blame everyone else for not being as hard on it as you. It's OK to not like it. It's also ok to like it.

 

Hate to wade into this one, but remember all the Star Trek fans up in arms because STO wasn't what they wanted? In that case, they were probably the majority and STO didn't do as good as it should have. I think here you are in the minority.

And its my fear this game will go the way of STO as well. I said it over and over I do NOT want this game to fail I want a good quality star wars game that we can enjoy for years to come. But right now(and yes my opinion) this game has a shelf life of maybe 6 months and again in my opinion feel bioware needs more feedback other than people saying how perfect this game is cause they love the dialog and find once the dialog parts are old and stale there isn't really much to fall back on

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html

  xenogias

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12/02/11 4:04:50 PM#154
Originally posted by sanosukex

A huge name creates a MMO.. has a vision to make something new. Beta gets pretty good marks, Lord British supporters flock to the game calling it the next big MMO with so many new and exciting ideas. Game is released and it flops. Now the fact that this is in the Star Wars Universe automatically warrants a few million in sales look how much Episode I made in the theaters(really need to say more?) I'm sad to admit I will play cause it's good enough to play but just because it's star wars. If this was another no-name world game it would tank just like tabula rasa. Read some beta reviews from Tabula

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/gameId/150/setView/features/loadFeature/1459

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/176126/reviews/tabula-rasa-review/

http://internetgames.about.com/od/mmorpgs/a/tabularasabeta.htm

 

a lot of similar points made in these previews that I see in ones for this game..

 

now before everyone gets all bent out of shape I do wish this game to be a success but I feel bioware needs to pick up the pace and add a ton of stuff before it feels like a MMO of even this generation let alone next....

 

It's my OPINION if enuogh people don't start giving some good critical feedback not enough changes to the game are going to be made and the game will tank and this really is NOT what i want

So your post says its TR all over again except its not? I played TR for a while and it was terrible. I'm not playing SWTOR but its far from as bad as TR ever was. I think TOR's biggest problem is everyone that expects it to be something other than what it claimed.

ANYONE who bothered looking at TOR knew before they pre-ordered exactly what they where getting. Thoes people wont expect anything more than what TOR said it would offer and they will enjoy it.

  Johnie-Marz

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12/02/11 4:05:28 PM#155
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by WhiteLantern

Calm down. You just need to step away I think. Quite simply, you are not impressed with the game so you blame everyone else for not being as hard on it as you. It's OK to not like it. It's also ok to like it.

 

Hate to wade into this one, but remember all the Star Trek fans up in arms because STO wasn't what they wanted? In that case, they were probably the majority and STO didn't do as good as it should have. I think here you are in the minority.

And its my fear this game will go the way of STO as well. I said it over and over I do NOT want this game to fail I want a good quality star wars game that we can enjoy for years to come. But right now(and yes my opinion) this game has a shelf life of maybe 6 months and again in my opinion feel bioware needs more feedback other than people saying how perfect this game is cause they love the dialog and find once the dialog parts are old and stale there isn't really much to fall back on

But that starts from the premise that the people that rate the game at excellent are not giving feedback.

Just because you really enjoy the game doesn't mean you aren't going to give feedback durring a beta on how to improve it even more. Or just tell the Devs about bugs.

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12/02/11 4:08:29 PM#156
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by maskedweasel

Thats what beta forums are for,  fixes and suggestions,  but if you were in the closed beta you would also take note of the overwhelming positive opinion given when BioWare asked for focus testing.   Overall negative opinions were very few and far between.

 

Seeing as I'm still in beta,  the forums are still pretty light on "critical" posts in comparison to positive ones.   

Directly from the BETA forums.. RIGHT... NOW.. :)

 

View Poll Results: How well do you like SWTOR? Rate from 1-10
1 (horrible) 29 0.69%
2 12 0.29%
3 29 0.69%
4 44 1.05%
5 (average) 133 3.16%
6 122 2.90%
7 338 8.04%
8 1,036 24.65%
9 941 22.39%
10 (excelent) 1,519 36.14%
Voters: 4203. You have already voted on this poll
 

4203 people out of the millions said to play is hardly an indication of how the masses will view this game come release and months after. We shall see though

 

Why not?

I'm not so shure what you are trying to say, if you underlying statement is that the game is worse or alot worse, perhaps even horrible. Why have so few of those 4203 voted below 7?

Why would there be any reason to believe that almost none of those "millions said to play" that dislike the game is not visition the forum nor voting in that poll?

I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
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12/02/11 4:12:56 PM#157
Originally posted by Orphes
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by maskedweasel

Thats what beta forums are for,  fixes and suggestions,  but if you were in the closed beta you would also take note of the overwhelming positive opinion given when BioWare asked for focus testing.   Overall negative opinions were very few and far between.

 

Seeing as I'm still in beta,  the forums are still pretty light on "critical" posts in comparison to positive ones.   

Directly from the BETA forums.. RIGHT... NOW.. :)

 

View Poll Results: How well do you like SWTOR? Rate from 1-10
1 (horrible) 29 0.69%
2 12 0.29%
3 29 0.69%
4 44 1.05%
5 (average) 133 3.16%
6 122 2.90%
7 338 8.04%
8 1,036 24.65%
9 941 22.39%
10 (excelent) 1,519 36.14%
Voters: 4203. You have already voted on this poll
 

4203 people out of the millions said to play is hardly an indication of how the masses will view this game come release and months after. We shall see though

 

Why not?

I'm not so shure what you are trying to say, if you underlying statement is that the game is worse or alot worse, perhaps even horrible. Why have so few of those 4203 voted below 7?

Why would there be any reason to believe that almost none of those "millions said to play" that dislike the game is not visition the forum nor voting in that poll?

You obviously are/were not on the official forums site. It's not exactly friendly to indipendent thinking, actually quite hostile to differning opinions, and thats just the moderators. The forum goers on that site, whewwwwwwwwwwwwww.

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OP  12/02/11 4:13:02 PM#158
Originally posted by Johnie-Marz

But that starts from the premise that the people that rate the game at excellent are not giving feedback.

Just because you really enjoy the game doesn't mean you aren't going to give feedback durring a beta on how to improve it even more. Or just tell the Devs about bugs.

very true but not in all cases and sometimes giving people examples of issues you have can influence others into giving feedback about the same or similar issues enabling the devolopers to get even more feedback and perhaps move things along faster.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html

  sanosukex

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OP  12/02/11 4:15:29 PM#159
Originally posted by Orphes

 Why not?

I'm not so shure what you are trying to say, if you underlying statement is that the game is worse or alot worse, perhaps even horrible. Why have so few of those 4203 voted below 7?

Why would there be any reason to believe that almost none of those "millions said to play" that dislike the game is not visition the forum nor voting in that poll?

like said in a post above me polls on official forums are a lot of times jaded by blind follows that will give high marks to a game no matter how bad it is(not saying the game is terrible just making an example)

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html

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12/02/11 4:17:03 PM#160

yet another version of a doom and gloom post.....sigh

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