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  catlana

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11/30/11 10:37:44 PM#121
Originally posted by BarryManilow
Originally posted by Fozzik

What those numbers mean to me:

It's probably going to be a royal pain in the ass to get logged in and have a decent experience in the first week or two. And I might have to remake characters on new servers a few times. Hopefully they might allow free transfers for the first few weeks.


*shrug* I guess c'est la vie in the MMORPG genre.

 

Yes, that is my greatest fear as well.  Jumping servers to find a playable one.  One way they can do to combat this is while they stagger the early invites, lock full servers and add new ones as needed.   That way queues won't be insane.  Rift did that way, but they don't have the same pre-ordres that SWTOR is getting.   Which is probably double or triple of what they had back at early Rift start.

See Rift Box sales week 1 (http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales-data/49494/rift/ ). Star Wars the Old Republic is in an entirely different league of sales by a factor of ten or so. 

  Cognoman

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11/30/11 10:39:07 PM#122
Originally posted by BarryManilow
Originally posted by Fozzik

What those numbers mean to me:

It's probably going to be a royal pain in the ass to get logged in and have a decent experience in the first week or two. And I might have to remake characters on new servers a few times. Hopefully they might allow free transfers for the first few weeks.


*shrug* I guess c'est la vie in the MMORPG genre.

 

Yes, that is my greatest fear as well.  Jumping servers to find a playable one.  One way they can do to combat this is while they stagger the early invites, lock full servers and add new ones as needed.   That way queues won't be insane.  Rift did that way, but they don't have the same pre-ordres that SWTOR is getting.   Which is probably double or triple of what they had back at early Rift start.

Does anyone know where to find a list of available NA servers?  It would be good for friends to have a backup server to go to if server A, B or C are too full.

  popinjay

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11/30/11 10:40:01 PM#123


Originally posted by Z3R01
Two words: Subscriber retention.
 


Few more words..


Only 17% subscriber retention needed to be substantially profitable.

  Blackrayn

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11/30/11 10:42:36 PM#124

 I really think this will go smoother then what most think. I'm sure there will be some issues, but I don't ever remember a company putting guilds on servers pre launch. I think they have number crunchers looking at all the made guilds in terms of size, and will be plugging alot of these in to help balance servers before launch even hits. Not saying at all that some servers won't be crazy, but this new thing there doing I like. And I'm really looking forward to see how it turns out.

  Xeno326

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11/30/11 10:44:15 PM#125

I'm just thinking... Damn that's a lot of CD's... lol

  Airwren

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11/30/11 10:46:03 PM#126
Originally posted by Blackrayn

 I really think this will go smoother then what most think. I'm sure there will be some issues, but I don't ever remember a company putting guilds on servers pre launch. I think they have number crunchers looking at all the made guilds in terms of size, and will be plugging alot of these in to help balance servers before launch even hits. Not saying at all that some servers won't be crazy, but this new thing there doing I like. And I'm really looking forward to how it turns out.

I'm not saying you're wrong but I want folks to realize that guild deployment is a suggestion as to what server your guild can/should be on.  No guilds are required to play or be deployed on the servers listed in the guild deployment so things could still get a bit hairy as far as that is concerned. 

  Airwren

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11/30/11 10:48:18 PM#127
Originally posted by Cognoman
Originally posted by BarryManilow
Originally posted by Fozzik

What those numbers mean to me:

It's probably going to be a royal pain in the ass to get logged in and have a decent experience in the first week or two. And I might have to remake characters on new servers a few times. Hopefully they might allow free transfers for the first few weeks.


*shrug* I guess c'est la vie in the MMORPG genre.

 

Yes, that is my greatest fear as well.  Jumping servers to find a playable one.  One way they can do to combat this is while they stagger the early invites, lock full servers and add new ones as needed.   That way queues won't be insane.  Rift did that way, but they don't have the same pre-ordres that SWTOR is getting.   Which is probably double or triple of what they had back at early Rift start.

Does anyone know where to find a list of available NA servers?  It would be good for friends to have a backup server to go to if server A, B or C are too full.

I don't believe they have yet listed the available servers that will be deployed for the early access and launch.  I am expecting this information to get released by Dec 9th but probably not earlier than that.  I'm speculating on those dates though.

  FrostWolfie

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11/30/11 10:49:48 PM#128
Originally posted by Guileplayer
Originally posted by sgel

Britney Spears has sold millions of albums.

This is how much numbers mean.

That means a lot of people enjoy her music? she sells out venues like madison square garden and yankee stadiums you know. Same can be said about Justin beiber. While i don't like pop music and i am more of an old school Rock, metal and rap guy (Metallica, Iron maiden, Run DMC, Public Enemies, NWA, Eagles etc.) I am not gonna deny that billions of people buys lady gaga album and goes to her concerts. At the end of the day my music taste is just opinion and billions of people who buy lady gaga album are their opinion on what good music should be. Just like its your opinion if a game is good or not  and not a fact.

For example guild was 2 looks like shit. Its my opinion.Look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv6mCOo2k5k lol. This is good MMO? press 1, 1, 1, 1,1, 2 jump back. Oh no enemy getting close snare time! this combat looks even more boring than typical MMO. But thats my opinion.

While i do have my CE edition of Swtor preordered i just had to respond to the last bit of your message and ask, do you think this looks fun...?   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3GiccdjBJ8&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Im actually thinking of cancelling my preorder, not due to this video but due to the fact that i think i got caught up in the hype. The game will still be there after a few months, im going to check back in and see what people think about it then :)

  Blackrayn

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11/30/11 10:49:48 PM#129
Originally posted by Airwren
Originally posted by Blackrayn

 I really think this will go smoother then what most think. I'm sure there will be some issues, but I don't ever remember a company putting guilds on servers pre launch. I think they have number crunchers looking at all the made guilds in terms of size, and will be plugging alot of these in to help balance servers before launch even hits. Not saying at all that some servers won't be crazy, but this new thing there doing I like. And I'm really looking forward to how it turns out.

I'm not saying you're wrong but I want folks to realize that guild deployment is a suggestion as to what server your guild can/should be on.  No guilds are required to play or be deployed on the servers listed in the guild deployment so things could still get a bit hairy as far as that is concerned. 

 

 Understood. But, honestly what's the point of signing up for it if you're not gonna use it? And yes, there will probably be plenty that don't, but I think it is a great idea is all. And it will be interesting.

  BarryManilow

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11/30/11 11:02:42 PM#130
Originally posted by FrostWolfie
Originally posted by Guileplayer
Originally posted by sgel

Britney Spears has sold millions of albums.

This is how much numbers mean.

That means a lot of people enjoy her music? she sells out venues like madison square garden and yankee stadiums you know. Same can be said about Justin beiber. While i don't like pop music and i am more of an old school Rock, metal and rap guy (Metallica, Iron maiden, Run DMC, Public Enemies, NWA, Eagles etc.) I am not gonna deny that billions of people buys lady gaga album and goes to her concerts. At the end of the day my music taste is just opinion and billions of people who buy lady gaga album are their opinion on what good music should be. Just like its your opinion if a game is good or not  and not a fact.

For example guild was 2 looks like shit. Its my opinion.Look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv6mCOo2k5k lol. This is good MMO? press 1, 1, 1, 1,1, 2 jump back. Oh no enemy getting close snare time! this combat looks even more boring than typical MMO. But thats my opinion.

While i do have my CE edition of Swtor preordered i just had to respond to the last bit of your message and ask, do you think this looks fun...?   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3GiccdjBJ8&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Im actually thinking of cancelling my preorder, not due to this video but due to the fact that i think i got caught up in the hype. The game will still be there after a few months, im going to check back in and see what people think about it then :)

DId you get to play the beta at all?

  FrostWolfie

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11/30/11 11:15:51 PM#131

That i did, from the start to the end of the beta :) 

*Edit*

And with that, i mean this weekends beta, so i did get quite a few hours into the beta. Trying out all the diffrent classes i was interested in and got up to about 10 with most of them, almost fifteen with the one i was most interested in. Im not saying its a bad game, im just being slightly more cautious this time around. Been burned so many times before, either way, i will take a look at the game again in a few months :)

  Madimorga

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11/30/11 11:24:38 PM#132

Well I'm glad the last beta didn't hurt it.  I enjoyed getting to play for those two days, even though by the third I really was ready to put it down.  And now no one who buys this game can complain if they don't like it after launch.  Everyone and their dog has had a chance to try it out, so either don't buy it, or buy it and like it, but don't buy the thing and then come into chat or onto the forum complaining about it. 

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  BarryManilow

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11/30/11 11:31:33 PM#133
Originally posted by FrostWolfie

That i did, from the start to the end of the beta :) 

*Edit*

And with that, i mean this weekends beta, so i did get quite a few hours into the beta. Trying out all the diffrent classes i was interested in and got up to about 10 with most of them, almost fifteen with the one i was most interested in. Im not saying its a bad game, im just being slightly more cautious this time around. Been burned so many times before, either way, i will take a look at the game again in a few months :)

Oh ok, yeah I can understand.  Good luck with whatever you decide :) 

 

However, would be cool to see you in game! I did play beta and it blew me away.  And I am not a big star wars fan, but something about playing a sith really appealed to me. 

  Wizardry

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Perhaps tomorrow will be better.

11/30/11 11:59:33 PM#134
Originally posted by Madimorga

Well I'm glad the last beta didn't hurt it.  I enjoyed getting to play for those two days, even though by the third I really was ready to put it down.  And now no one who buys this game can complain if they don't like it after launch.  Everyone and their dog has had a chance to try it out, so either don't buy it, or buy it and like it, but don't buy the thing and then come into chat or onto the forum complaining about it. 

I agree it was a very good beta and really gave a good insdication to all tresters as to what to expect.

It was a tough sell for me because right away i knew without a sub class design the class and combat structure would never be good enough for me.Structured like this ,your player hits level cap then you might as well retire it ,unless your into pvp which i am not and MANY are not.

If the crafting was done well, i might have had the inkling to play and utilize crafting on alts,but honestly i am not into alts and  watching my main rot is also not what i am into.Plus the crafting is not done even remotely close to what i expected.

So this game and any other that copies the EQ/Wow structures will be no more than a 2-3 month hangout then boredom sets in and is the exact reason why so many games now fall off in subs so fast.It is more than just copying,this game actually leaves out a lot of content or possible content within the strucutres that it does use.That Christmas deadline for launch is imo the MAIN culprit as to why the systems are not finished or done with depth.

 

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  RedMachine72

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12/01/11 12:16:52 AM#135

Played he beta this past weekend and wanted more. I just hope that they at least triple the number of servers on launch day so that waiting in line to play won't be happening. Pre-ordered the CE less than 2 hours after receiving e-mail stateing they were available and glad I did as gamestop stopped taking CE preorders the next morning. You can still preorder the game, just not the CE as far as I can tell.

  jpnz

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12/01/11 1:01:03 AM#136

Considering this is an MMO and thus players are more likely to buy digital copies, a 900k pre-order just for box/NA is an insane amount.

A 7M+ sales total is not outside the realm of possiblity actually.

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12/01/11 6:43:39 AM#137
Originally posted by Airwren
Originally posted by Blackrayn

 I really think this will go smoother then what most think. I'm sure there will be some issues, but I don't ever remember a company putting guilds on servers pre launch. I think they have number crunchers looking at all the made guilds in terms of size, and will be plugging alot of these in to help balance servers before launch even hits. Not saying at all that some servers won't be crazy, but this new thing there doing I like. And I'm really looking forward to how it turns out.

I'm not saying you're wrong but I want folks to realize that guild deployment is a suggestion as to what server your guild can/should be on.  No guilds are required to play or be deployed on the servers listed in the guild deployment so things could still get a bit hairy as far as that is concerned. 

 

  Heh...I'm just thinking of some of the 'problems' some of the ...larger...guilds could cause if they decide to 'hop'.  I still think it'll be OK though.  Pretty sure Bioware has a set time for 'queues' before they open a new server up, and really, the queues last weekend weren't THAT bad...like I said...at one point Drexl showed an 11 hour wait, but was playable in 45 minutes (and that was a stress test)

  Blackrayn

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12/01/11 7:19:38 AM#138
Originally posted by Wizardry
Originally posted by Madimorga

Well I'm glad the last beta didn't hurt it.  I enjoyed getting to play for those two days, even though by the third I really was ready to put it down.  And now no one who buys this game can complain if they don't like it after launch.  Everyone and their dog has had a chance to try it out, so either don't buy it, or buy it and like it, but don't buy the thing and then come into chat or onto the forum complaining about it. 

I agree it was a very good beta and really gave a good insdication to all tresters as to what to expect.

It was a tough sell for me because right away i knew without a sub class design the class and combat structure would never be good enough for me.Structured like this ,your player hits level cap then you might as well retire it ,unless your into pvp which i am not and MANY are not.

If the crafting was done well, i might have had the inkling to play and utilize crafting on alts,but honestly i am not into alts and  watching my main rot is also not what i am into.Plus the crafting is not done even remotely close to what i expected.

So this game and any other that copies the EQ/Wow structures will be no more than a 2-3 month hangout then boredom sets in and is the exact reason why so many games now fall off in subs so fast.It is more than just copying,this game actually leaves out a lot of content or possible content within the strucutres that it does use.That Christmas deadline for launch is imo the MAIN culprit as to why the systems are not finished or done with depth.

 

 I'm targeting the colored area here. Why I do agree that there are games out there that are just plain terrible. Your comparison of EQ/WoW as for how games fall off in subs fast is pure hogwash! EQ is still alive and it is 12 yrs old. And if your saying that it's population/retention fell off fast your out of your mind! That game and AC at the time had thousands upon thousands of people playing at that time. And I'm almost willing to bet the population in EQ right now is still higher then some games that have come out in the past 5 years!

 As far as WoW is concerned your basis is even farther off. Still around 10 million subs, and if your telling me that a percentage of them haven't played since vanilla, then I'm gonna call bullshit! Retention is what you want with any sub based game, and why more people have come and gone with wow since release, the fact is. It does indeed have a high sub count. Well I'm sorry the money talks, and you know what walks!

 As far as Christmas deadline goes, after playing the beta over the weekend. Only thing I can think of is brilliant! If the game was completely full of bugs, and unplayable this is the one part of your paragraph I would back you up on. But, the fact is, it is without a doubt ready for launch. Is it completely polished, no! But, not known a game ever to be perfect at launch. But, this was without a doubt, the best open beta I have participated in, as far as few bugs and most polished at this stage.

 So again when you are comparing games, if you want a game to fail or do horrible. Compare it to games that have failed, not ones that haven't failed, and are still kicking after 12 years, or have a 10 million sub base.

  DarkPony

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12/01/11 8:49:29 AM#139
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by DarkPony

Guys ...

Whether the amount of preorders or total game sales at launch say anything about the (long term) quality of a game is totally beside the point. (And yeah, of course they don't, apart from extra moneys to spend on developing expansions).

The OP just states the latest numbers and they are well worth a topic on their own and without repeating the obvious ad neuseam "Numbers mean nuffink derp!".

As far as I'm concerned I'm very, very impressed with 900k US box preorders. Conservative projections based on past ratio's should mean 4 million + players ready to jump in at launch of a sub based game. That's developer / investor wet-dream material.

Shows the genre and payment model is alive and kicking -> good news for everyone.

p.s. sorry for color posting <3

 

 

Interesting that you are talking about latest numbers and then in the next paragraph do the same thing like so many other hypers. Bring out some amazing number of 4 million (it was 3 million and now it is 4 apparently) with no credible data to back it up.

This 900k + number seems pretty legit.

It's US box sales only and a few weeks before launch.

Current trends show that 50% of new pc game sales are digital (look it up).

I think it's pretty safe to assume that EU + the rest of the world's early adopters will roughly double the US number of sales.

Add another group of people who don't preorder but will run to the shop on the 20th/22th ...

Don't be in denial and do the maths yourself. it isn't hard.

p.s. I never mentioned a 3 mil number (as far as I can recollect). There is a thread somewhere with me predicting around 4,5 mil sales around launch and that's what I still think. Should be close or higher than that if this VGChartz number is correct.

What's next, that the game will eclipse WoWs 11 million subscribers at launch?

Good one.

You are not doing anyone any favors by hyping this shit up, except maybe Bioware/EA.

We can all see you doing people favors at a daily basis : - /

At least my expectation of copies sold is based on a legit number and logical projections of past experiences and current trends. You can call that "hyping this shit up" all you want but it's pretty clear that your own "burning this **** down" is in a much greater sense based on pre- and misconceptions.

  player666

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12/01/11 10:41:22 AM#140
Originally posted by FrostWolfie
Originally posted by Guileplayer
Originally posted by sgel

Britney Spears has sold millions of albums.

This is how much numbers mean.

That means a lot of people enjoy her music? she sells out venues like madison square garden and yankee stadiums you know. Same can be said about Justin beiber. While i don't like pop music and i am more of an old school Rock, metal and rap guy (Metallica, Iron maiden, Run DMC, Public Enemies, NWA, Eagles etc.) I am not gonna deny that billions of people buys lady gaga album and goes to her concerts. At the end of the day my music taste is just opinion and billions of people who buy lady gaga album are their opinion on what good music should be. Just like its your opinion if a game is good or not  and not a fact.

For example guild was 2 looks like shit. Its my opinion.Look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv6mCOo2k5k lol. This is good MMO? press 1, 1, 1, 1,1, 2 jump back. Oh no enemy getting close snare time! this combat looks even more boring than typical MMO. But thats my opinion.

While i do have my CE edition of Swtor preordered i just had to respond to the last bit of your message and ask, do you think this looks fun...?   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3GiccdjBJ8&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Im actually thinking of cancelling my preorder, not due to this video but due to the fact that i think i got caught up in the hype. The game will still be there after a few months, im going to check back in and see what people think about it then :)

In the SWTOR video that guy was playing piano and that looks more fun than presing 1-2.

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