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  shakermaker0

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12/01/11 9:44:45 AM#21

What is and isn't a sandbox is another debate on to itself.


  remyburke

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12/01/11 9:50:14 AM#22

Ya, the term "sandbox" is pretty subjective. I've always enjoyed FE, but to me, it's no sandbox. A game like Wurm Online is what I define to be a sandbox game. FE is more an open world themepark, because areas essentially have level requirements.

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  Ceridith

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12/01/11 9:50:51 AM#23
Originally posted by shakermaker0

What is and isn't a sandbox is another debate on to itself.

When an MMO that isn't really a sandbox MMO is being discussed as potentially being labeled the "best sandbox", then what is and isn't a sadbox becomes relevant.

At this rate we might as well throw WoW and SWTOR into the race for best sandbox MMO.

  Gruug

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12/01/11 9:53:12 AM#24

None of this is relevant as this has become a pay to win game. To bad really as I think it had potential.

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  Unshra

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12/01/11 9:59:50 AM#25

Originally posted by dreamsofwar

Eve is always considered the sandbox, but sandboxes are about freedom. How many people truly feel they have the freedom to do everything in the confines of a spaceship?



How many people truely feel free doing every thing in the confines of an avatar?



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  User Deleted
12/01/11 10:06:24 AM#26

It's a hybrid with good crafting. I.e. it's like SWG. Certainly not a front runner for a "sandbox crown".

 

UO and EVE are the kings in the genre and that doesn't look like changing for some time. It remains to be seen what happens with Archeage and WoD looks like vaporware at the moment. But these are the only potential "challengers" on the horizon.

  eddieg50

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12/01/11 10:16:08 AM#27

I liiked the fact that you got a horse right away, and riding around doing stuff was fun for awhile but than the combat and lack of direction became a chore, but I think this is a game well played in spurts. Dec 20 is the date I am waiting for


  fenistil

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12/01/11 10:26:56 AM#28

Fallen Earth is NOT a sandbox.




 




It is some kind of myriad. Themepark with some added sandbox elements.


Also having cash shop in sandbox is kinda counter to whole concept of sandbox so :/


 


Nah don't agree with OP.





 

  Timacek

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12/01/11 10:30:46 AM#29

FE biggest flaw is absence of economy. Indestructible items are well indestructible. The market overflows with them, the crafting suffers greatly due to this too. Also FE could adapt basicaly eve model to some degree. (highsec-lowsec-nullsec) When in eve someone destroy a ship the economy is very happy about it. also housing and I mean not instanced housing could be great. and last but not least territory control building, not only changing flags in some pre-defined locations. 


FE could be a great sandbox yes. nevertheless it is not ATM


  Xzen

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12/01/11 10:33:40 AM#30

1) Can you build structures in the open world or alter the landscape?

 

2) Does it have a sociopolitical element?

 

3) Does it have player created content?

 

If it can atleast hit #1 I'll say it's sandbox.

  Falcomith

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12/01/11 10:33:59 AM#31

Originally posted by fenistil

Fallen Earth is NOT a sandbox.




 




It is some kind of myriad. Themepark with some added sandbox elements.





 


You missed the part...


"Fallen Earth is the best example of cross pollinating the Sandbox aspects of the genre, with the Theme Park style. "


  Kyleran

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12/01/11 10:39:47 AM#32
Originally posted by Falcomith

Originally posted by fenistil

Fallen Earth is NOT a sandbox.

It is some kind of myriad. Themepark with some added sandbox elements.
You missed the part...

"Fallen Earth is the best example of cross pollinating the Sandbox aspects of the genre, with the Theme Park style. "

Actually, I caught that qualifier, however the OP's title is what is really mis-leading.

Change it to "FE is at the forefront of the Sandbox/Themepark hybrid model" and you'd have a whole lot more agreement.

 

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  Hellfyre420

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12/01/11 10:41:49 AM#33

I played Fallen Earth for the 2 week trial they had a year or so back.. I thought the game felt more themepark then sandbox.. I mean it's more quest hubbed then AION or Rift was.. Not a whole lot of features from what I played.. Did they ever add player houseing that they promised for so long?


 


Also did they make it where you're factions are perm? I remember being picking factions to get bonuses then leaving to join another faction a week later.. Made the pvp community suck imo.



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  lizardbones

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12/01/11 10:44:18 AM#34


Originally posted by Kyleran


Originally posted by Falcomith



Originally posted by fenistil


Fallen Earth is NOT a sandbox.
It is some kind of myriad. Themepark with some added sandbox elements.

You missed the part...
"Fallen Earth is the best example of cross pollinating the Sandbox aspects of the genre, with the Theme Park style. "


Actually, I caught that qualifier, however the OP's title is what is really mis-leading.
Change it to "FE is at the forefront of the Sandbox/Themepark hybrid model" and you'd have a whole lot more agreement.
 



The King of Sandboxes, Eve, is not a pure sandbox game either. There are quests, NPC events, etc. A 'Pure' sandbox MMORPG no longer exists. If Eve is a Sandbox, so is Fallen Earth.

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  alkarionlog

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12/01/11 10:48:40 AM#35

fallen earth is a sand box in the first part when you can choose where you start and you can go to others towns to do the same kind of quests you did, but tat is all after that is pretty much a certain path you have to take, plus if you wnat a really strong char you need to do quests, several quests give you atributes points when you finish it.


also this game as a f2p is just a trial, you have a limit on how much recipes you can have on, if you use guns you will learn the most you do is ammo, hell when I played it, was normal I have like 10 recipes running, and anotehr 8 done just waiting for me to take it, and I was getting mats to make even more, no considerating the slow combat


 


he says 8/10? I say 6/10


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  vlad1500

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12/01/11 11:00:05 AM#36

stop comparing FE to eve please. EVE is one of the worse games out there. Playing that game is a chore and not very enjoyable. FE is one of the funnest games i ever played. Will play this for a very long time.


 


About it being themed park? the game does not force you to do the quest. you can always grind. And scrap copper one of the 1st mining nodes you can farm is still used even with the maxed leveled toons for ammo crafting etc.


  astoria

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12/01/11 11:17:26 AM#37

Originally posted by lizardbones

 





Originally posted by Kyleran






Originally posted by Falcomith








Originally posted by fenistil





Fallen Earth is NOT a sandbox.

It is some kind of myriad. Themepark with some added sandbox elements.






You missed the part...

"Fallen Earth is the best example of cross pollinating the Sandbox aspects of the genre, with the Theme Park style. "







Actually, I caught that qualifier, however the OP's title is what is really mis-leading.

Change it to "FE is at the forefront of the Sandbox/Themepark hybrid model" and you'd have a whole lot more agreement.

 









The King of Sandboxes, Eve, is not a pure sandbox game either. There are quests, NPC events, etc. A 'Pure' sandbox MMORPG no longer exists. If Eve is a Sandbox, so is Fallen Earth.

 



 


"If Eve is a Sandbox, so is Fallen Earth." truth.


I find myself no more limited in EVE than fallen Earth. Both great games. FE is a little easier for me to RP in since I have a human avatar.

 


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  vlad1500

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12/01/11 11:17:27 AM#38

Originally posted by Sketch420

 


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Do you know what "sandbox" game means? Sandbox or open world is a game that you can roam freely and have no rail-roading effect. Have you played Fallen Earth? or you cant get pass the tutorial why you are concluding its a theme park game? lol. 


The author of this article however played both FE and EVE. Why he knows what he is talking about. Do you?


  Ceridith

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12/01/11 11:49:46 AM#39
Originally posted by vlad1500

Originally posted by Sketch420

 



{mod edit}




 

Do you know what "sandbox" game means? Sandbox or open world is a game that you can roam freely and have no rail-roading effect. Have you played Fallen Earth? or you cant get pass the tutorial why you are concluding its a theme park game? lol. 


The author of this article however played both FE and EVE. Why he knows what he is talking about. Do you?

By that rationale, then WoW is also a sandbox because it's a free roaming world. Oh wait, different zones are different levels in WoW and you'd get killed quickly? Yeah... exact same issue in FE if you've ever actually played the game past sector 1.

  Xzen

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12/01/11 11:56:05 AM#40
Originally posted by Xzen

1) Can you build structures in the open world or alter the landscape?

 

2) Does it have a sociopolitical element?

 

3) Does it have player created content?

 

If it can atleast hit #1 I'll say it's sandbox.

Does FE hit any of these marks? I've looked at the game features and it doesn't look like it hits #1. I don't think it's a sandbox at all from the looks of it.

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