Originally posted by Bruticus001

Goonswarm... nuff said there on the blowing ships up for the LoLs and Tears, consequences be damned. Also you don't really hear of the ships that get blown up for the boredown of it because that doesn't really make good news material, but just beacuse it doesn't get reported on doesn't mean it never happens.  (really would you be interested in news of an random Industrial blown up with some 3mil isk of trit or that of a Manticore blown up with $2000 in PLEX )

 

 The Annual Hulkgeddon also proves the point in the sense that all another player needs is the vaguest justifiable reason in order to grief. No point in trying to sugar coat how newbie friendly or non-Pvp EVE is, because EVE is not those .  

You mean Goonswarm's campaign to block oxytopes supply from empire by blowing up ice miners?

Also, about once-a-year-Hulkageddon, by vaguest justifiable reason you mean the billions offered as prices?

I'm not saying that it is newbie friendly nor PVP-free, just saying that you're misguided.

As for Goonswarm they're the very definiton of being an annoyance, that's the very image they want to portray so no problems there. This is based from the activities of the alliance whenever I encountered them and not just the publicity stunts they pull from time to time.

As for Hullkgeddon, the prizes are just icing on the cake for the rest, I've talked to a few participants of the contest and they all say they don't really expect to win the prizes, they just like to have a solid  reason to go after miners/industirals.

Also thank you for just validating every other response saying Eve is not newbiew friendly or PVP-free as that is one the reasons for the very topic.  One of us defintiely has misguided ideas on Eve and based from your comment's it's definitely not me.

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Originally posted by Bruticus001
 
@GDemami: It's true in the sense...

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Sadly, in your desperate attempt to twist game mechanics to suit your case, your post makes no sense whatsoever.

To make it clear:

EVE is FFA PVP - you can indeed be attacked anywhere and anytime outside of station. However, there are plenty of mechanics and ways that allow you very effectively avoid any PVP.

You can play the game for years and never ever be engaged by other player.

perp has way better and more fun combat mechanics. that's the main reason i am not into eve anymore besides that i played it for years :P

also i find that in perp the stuff you can do is more accessible as a lot of the features eve has to offer are an endless fizzle and require insane traveling. eve is basically full of unneeded complicated mechanic like looting/salvaging is just a pain. especially after i tried to get back into eve after playing perp for a few months i just got annoyed quite a lot by these kind of things.

but surely eve is feature richer overall due to their dev team size and the time it's been around. anyhow perp is advancing quite fine as well :)

@GDemami

I have no need to twist anything, you yourself just confirmed what can/will happen in Eve. I'm sorry you feel offended and think if I'm putting Eve down. (Im not, it's a good game for certain player sets. I played it for 3 years), I'm just pointing it out on this topic of what a new player to EVE what to expect. The mere fact that is open PVP mean you will be engaged at some point whether you like it or not. (either getting can flipped, have your mission scanned down and looted, or have yourself suicide ganked while hauling goods in Hi-sec)

As for your claim of you can play for years without getting harassed or engaged, I'd prefer you cite some real examples instead of posting generalizations. (If you had said "play for months w/o getting engaged" that'd be a bit more realistic)

Do Stay on the topic at least instead of making poorly veiled personal attacks

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Originally posted by Bruticus001
 
I have no need to twist anything

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Why are you doing so then?

I am not offended by your attempts that are supposedly putting the game down, I have no issue with people not liking the game, I am just correcting your misconceptions.

You falsely imply that because something CAN happen, it WILL happen. That is simply not true and wrong.

Tutorial question is tricky and something I was thinking about lately. While I would like to see tutorials focused more on the game design level(skill points are not levels, bigger isn't better, etc.), on the other hand it is vital not to 'spoil' new players and allow everyone finding out on their own as it is a part of learning process.

At the end I guess that austere description of game mechanics is the right way to do it with awareness that some people get false impression about the game.

EVE is about choices and you should have the right to make wrong choices too.

@Gdemami

I do realise I might be considered a biittervet since the recent happenings. I am posting the stuff because they've either had it happen to me or saw it happen while traveling.

If you want to correct any misconceptions do focus it on the new player and not a former player.

As I said earlier cite examples that provide an alternative to mine (a Different POV, Naturally it should be able to be researched for the newbie :) ) so that the new player can judge for himself if he want to play or not.

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Originally posted by Bruticus001
 
If you want to correct any misconceptions do focus it on the new player and not a former player.

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Whether you claim yourself a vet or new player has no bearing on (in)validity of your statement.

There is not much I can add apart from reminding a saying that goes around EVE:

If you lose a ship, it is 100% your fault.

Smart ones will figure...

Originally posted by Gdemami

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There is not much I can add apart from reminding a saying that goes around EVE:

If you lose a ship, it is 100% your fault.

Smart ones will figure...

That much is true, but for the newbie they must know the cardinal rule in Eve

In Eve: Trust No One

i would say that, if you have a high SP eve character, stay on eve, but if you don't, then try the trials of both and play whichever one you like the best!

and, just because i have to say something when i see it, don't be afraid of being griefed in eve.  you can play for years and never get griefed.  (of course if you go looking for trouble, you can find it in your first 10 minutes if you're so inclined)

Originally posted by Bruticus001

The more I read what you write, the more I think you haven't passed beyond the trial in EVE. Your information is inaccurate and you're misleaded.

I play EVE so I'm probably more biased toward it, but I have tried PO and it just never drew me in like EVE.

In terms of fun, I find flying in space much more enjoyable and different than the other 99.9% of the MMOs on the market that involve around walking/running on a planet. I'm not a huge Mech fan so that probably doesn't help.

EVE has been around for many more years and has a much larger dev team so naturally they have much more stuff to do.

As far as the playerbase goes, I would bet that Jita alone has a higher population than all of PO. Small populations do not make a bad game though, it is just more noticeable during slow periods.

PO is very similar to EVE in some ways so the learning curve is similar at times. As mentioned earlier, EVE has been around a lot longer and has many more things to do than PO so there is much more to learn in EVE and a lot more people who have been playing EVE for years who sometimes forget that they were noobs once.

As witnessed in this thread, some people will try to scare you aware from EVE by making it sound much less forgiving than it is. The truth is, every MMO has some form of griefing in it and some way to avoid it. If you ignore all the indicators around you and try to play EVE like no one else can have an impact on your game play then you will be in for a rude awakening, but if you pay even a small amount of attention to what is happening around you, most bad situations can be avoided.

Both games offer a free trial so there really is no reason not to try both.

Old eve player (biomassed my guy in 2009)/forumwarrior here.

For the PO/Eve players, my biggest complaint about EVE is everyone is a giant puss, and afraid to fight cause it hurts too much.  So you get this constant lopsided gank-fights, blobs, or just have to sit around waiting for enough people to log in to do anything in nulsec. Similar in PO?

Here is a a mechanics question, my second biggest complaint and constant suggestion to the eve community was the ability for large groups of players ( when they aren't lagged to frack) was having dozens of people lock onto a single target.  I always enivsioned a dice roll for multiple target aquisitions to help mitigate insta-pops followed up by a skill tree etc, so that if say 15 people locked you only 3-4 would get it on the first try.  ANything like this in PO? 

Originally posted by Matrixcvd

Old eve player (biomassed my guy in 2009)/forumwarrior here.

For the PO/Eve players, my biggest complaint about EVE is everyone is a giant puss, and afraid to fight cause it hurts too much.  So you get this constant lopsided gank-fights, blobs, or just have to sit around waiting for enough people to log in to do anything in nulsec. Similar in PO?

 

Here is a a mechanics question, my second biggest complaint and constant suggestion to the eve community was the ability for large groups of players ( when they aren't lagged to frack) was having dozens of people lock onto a single target.  I always enivsioned a dice roll for multiple target aquisitions to help mitigate insta-pops followed up by a skill tree etc, so that if say 15 people locked you only 3-4 would get it on the first try.  ANything like this in PO? 

No there isn't anything in PO that specific a long the lines of combating insta pop. But the game does have mechanics in place  that make locking a bit longer time wise etc for those that are blobbed or stacked up.

The game tries to break the blob up a bit. Not saying it does break the blob up totally. Also there is explosion damage from bots and mechs blowing up around you. This also encurages the blob to spread out.

I hope this helps you out a bit.

From what Eve vets have described to me in game. Perp has far more entertaining mining and combat mechanincs, and the distinct advantage that the game is new, meaning that there isnt hundreds of thousands of other players so far ahead of you in terms of bank and skill ect.

So also like being a part of and watching a game develop.

Downside of Perp compared to eve is that the community is TINY, theres not a ton of life markets are not a viable source of income, and other low player base related issues.

Its a shame more people dont activly play this game.

Oh, and for the blob pvp mechanics, theres a few built in remedies to that.  First is terrain and cover, meaning the blob will need a clear shot..if everyone goes missle launcher wich bypasses LOS issues there are builds to defend well against those attacks.  Theres a lot of CC related mechanics which involve resetting enemy target locks forcing them to re-target ect.

and my favorite

aoe death explosions.

kill one guy in that "blob" of robots and watch the domino effect happen.  One robot blows up killing a nearby wounded robot causing it to blow up, both explosions kill a nearby half health robot, the combined 3 explosions blow up the next 10 robots at 75% health and the combined explosion damage now kill anyone who isnt 100% and heavy armor ect.

Being in a blob is very dangerous in this game.

Really the only huge downside is population, which seems to be an issue only more people can fix. Frim what i hear its a far better game at its core than eve is

Originally posted by Drezlord

EVE is a game about exploitation. PVP is present in Every facet of the game whether you like it, or welcome it, or not. Want to run missions is an area not designated for pvp? Someone can scan you down and come take your loot and your items from your wrecks. Want to mine ore? Use a can and someone can steal its contents and wait for you to engage them with 3 or 4 buddies cloaked and boom or get suicide ganked and your new expensive ore ship you have been saving to get is gone.

Piss someone off in local or win a pvp duel you shouldnt have? Player can wardec your corp for 25 mil and shoot you on sight for a week making no areas of space safe to go do your own thing.

If you like having to include some other player in every facet of your game experience quite forcibly then EVE has been around for alot longer and has a larger player base thus it has loads more content. Perpetuum has content that the solo player can enjoy without other player interference. Perp is very similar in gamestyle with a few different options in the control of your char. In EVE you right click a object and have to select warp to or increase the cruising speed and you will slowly move to it. In Perp its the WSAD controls or many mmos.

They are both sandbox MMO's so yes you have to interact with other players for nearly everything but in Perp you get to choose the terms and limits of that interaction and not the other player.

Agreed. EVE Online is a griefers paradise. Killing noobs and getting people to rage and quit is the name of the game. If you are into being a sociopath EVE is for you.

Originally posted by Crunchy221

 

aoe death explosions.

kill one guy in that "blob" of robots and watch the domino effect happen.  One robot blows up killing a nearby wounded robot causing it to blow up, both explosions kill a nearby half health robot, the combined 3 explosions blow up the next 10 robots at 75% health and the combined explosion damage now kill anyone who isnt 100% and heavy armor ect.

Being in a blob is very dangerous in this game.

 

 

That is exactly what eve needed years ago, i tried to get into PO last year but it wouldnt take CCs or i couldnt get past the loading screen or something, probably will check it out now. 

Originally posted by Matrixcvd

Originally posted by Crunchy221

 

aoe death explosions.

kill one guy in that "blob" of robots and watch the domino effect happen.  One robot blows up killing a nearby wounded robot causing it to blow up, both explosions kill a nearby half health robot, the combined 3 explosions blow up the next 10 robots at 75% health and the combined explosion damage now kill anyone who isnt 100% and heavy armor ect.

Being in a blob is very dangerous in this game.

 

 

That is exactly what eve needed years ago, i tried to get into PO last year but it wouldnt take CCs or i couldnt get past the loading screen or something, probably will check it out now. 

They take CCs now. Not sure about loading screen issue....

Originally posted by Lashley

In terms of fun, stuff to do, playerbase & learning curve?

Both games are essentially the same.  The best way to compare the two is to think of Perpetuum as an Eve Online - light.  Both games have their a$$ holes as well as their helpful communities.

Eve Online is far more polished and I've lately been very impressed with their development change.

One thing to remember, neither game can be appropriately sampled in a trial.  You really will need 6 months to make an informed evaluation.

played both, was in both of their cbt. In both cases, unless you have a lot of time on your hands and your head up your ass, dont bother with either.

I'd say perpetuum has much better "pick up and play" ability, and a much more interesting environment, if you're into that kind of thing.

I'd say EVE has a much better established player-run society/economy. Perpetuum needs more time and honestly more players before that becomes interesting.

Gameplay mechanics wise, they are pretty much the same.

Generally though, unless you have no idea what the difference is between a video game and real life, you wont find either game much fun for more than 1 month. The people I know who love perpetuum/eve severely confuse the two, and think that the things that happen in the game are actually epic, and that other players posses actual true power, and actually believe their leaders could run real countries etc. So, like I said, you got to have your head up your ass to fall for those games the way they were intending you to.

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