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  Ceridith

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The more you hype an upcoming game in your mind, the more it will fail to meet your expectations.

11/29/11 4:05:56 PM#61
Originally posted by Scalebane

i just don't understand why people don't get the fact, and yes its a "FACT" that Activision and Blizzard are seperate,  you can go look it up Blizzard is in full control of everything they do Kotick is not the Blizzard CEO the OP got it wrong.  Kotick is a douche and doesn't speak for Blizzard its just the way things are.

 

Nvm even the freaking news article got it wrong.  what ever happened to these news people doing their research, oh well.

Blizzard and Activision may still be separate divisions, but they are now part of the same umbrella entity. it's very common for there to be corporate culture bleed after a merge occurs. So while Kotick may not speak for Morhaime and Blizzard directly, his attitude still has some influence on Blizzard.

Not to mention that how well Blizzard does affects Activision and Kotick, and vice-versa, because their valuations are tied together due to being merged into a single stock.

  Illyssia

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11/29/11 4:40:41 PM#62
Originally posted by lizardbones

Blizzard shares are down 5.5% and EA's shares are up 27%. It's not a stretch to think that players aren't the only things Blizzard might be losing to EA. This is how corporations compete when they can't compete on the merits of their products.

I think it just shows that EA/Bioware have gotten to the business suits who run Blizzard. Nobody can know how much money SW;TOR will make or not make until after it launches. However, pre-sales for SW:TOR are very strong and I will bet you all the Activation Execs logged in for the last SW:TOR test weekend. SW:TOR looks very polished, is a new AAA title, innovates beyond WoW, and Activation don't have anything with WoW beyond Kung Fu Panda expansion. Are they slinging mud now, of course, but saying that the IP rights are going to kill profits is not correct, fact is if SW:TOR can hold a million subs over its first year then EA have cracked the big time MMORPG market, and that is a real win for EA if that pans out.

  Coolit

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11/29/11 4:51:14 PM#63

500k subs has to be a reserved estimate, I think were talking more in the millions.  


I play WOW and have done for years, SWTOR  feels like a modern game but when I login to WOW it feels clunky and old and there's simply no way bliz can change this. 


  Scalebane

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11/29/11 4:53:42 PM#64
Originally posted by Ceridith
Originally posted by Scalebane

i just don't understand why people don't get the fact, and yes its a "FACT" that Activision and Blizzard are seperate,  you can go look it up Blizzard is in full control of everything they do Kotick is not the Blizzard CEO the OP got it wrong.  Kotick is a douche and doesn't speak for Blizzard its just the way things are.

 

Nvm even the freaking news article got it wrong.  what ever happened to these news people doing their research, oh well.

Blizzard and Activision may still be separate divisions, but they are now part of the same umbrella entity. it's very common for there to be corporate culture bleed after a merge occurs. So while Kotick may not speak for Morhaime and Blizzard directly, his attitude still has some influence on Blizzard.

Not to mention that how well Blizzard does affects Activision and Kotick, and vice-versa, because their valuations are tied together due to being merged into a single stock.

when you see Morhaime speak on it then i would be like "they are nervous"  but kotick speaking means nothing when it comes to Blizzard.  The only reason Kotick is saying anything is because he hates EA its a fight between him and EA because of Battlefield games and Modern Warfare games, he's just finding this a good time to talk smack about their upcoming game.  He still doesn't represent Blizzard no matter how anyone tries to spin it.

i'm just honestly tired though of the false information that kotick is in charge of Blizzard, he isn't and never will be.  Blizzard decides everything they do.   if kotick was in charge there wouldn't be blizzcon's or free content patches or anything, kotick would charge outragesly for every possible thing in warcraft and their other games.

"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas

  Z3R01

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11/29/11 5:28:15 PM#65
Originally posted by 77lolmac77
WoW's got China on lock Blizzard will be able to stay on top as long as the Asian market continues to play. MoP may actually hurt that since pandas are very revered in China.

Yeah because China matters...

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  Hoplites

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11/29/11 6:06:25 PM#66

Licensing actually is EA's speciality (eg NFL, Star Wars, etc), so unless Mr. Kotick knows something the general public doesn't, I think EA will be in position for a very good return on their investment.

  waynejr2

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RIP City of Heroes!

11/29/11 6:13:26 PM#67
Originally posted by eric1000
Originally posted by Clocksimus

Originally posted by eric1000

Current valuations show Activision to be worth $2.9 billion while Electronic Arts is worth $5.2 billion.  Zynga however just out of interest is worth $5.5 billion and has only been going for a few years.



 

My first thought was, who? And then I googled... Afterwards I died a little on the inside.

Yup, just shows what you can do with a few crappy facebook games don't it.

I keep thinking of the .dot bust days where new companies were highly overpriced.  Remember when zynga was "worth" 11 billion? http://news.cnet.com/8301-10797_3-20091331-235/new-sec-filing-puts-zynga-valuation-at-$11-billion-in-march/

now it's 5.5 billioin? that's half value.  Did it lose that much OR is the market still lowering the amount towards some real world value?

  Hoplites

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11/29/11 6:14:21 PM#68
Originally posted by wormywyrm

EA makes all the trashiest video games.

You must have never experienced the Sega Genesis/SNES era then.  EA back then was what Blizzard/Bioware are currently.

 

 

  kalinis

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11/29/11 6:16:36 PM#69

how much money has ea made of college football, the nfl and other pro sports? alot . They know how to get a deal with someone like lucas arts taht benifits them. 

People out ther tend to think of ea in 2 ways the evil empire for wanting to make a profit or stupid company that doesnt know what there doing.

I dont understand how one of the top 2-3 publishers in all the world as far as games go is looked on thsi way. 

Obvioulsy ea wouldnt of spent the money on a game like tor if they couldnt make a profit and if the deal with luas arts wasnt favorable to both.

  Tardcore

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11/29/11 6:29:52 PM#70
Originally posted by vesavius

Originally posted by Tardcore

A massive story driven themepark game based on Star Wars made by Bioware, a company with a massive fan following, and backed by Lucas Arts, the masters of merchandising madness, and he doesn't think that EA can turn a massive profit off this game? What a smug little jackass. I ended up not liking this game but even I can see how well it will appeal to quite a large number of gamers.


 


To be fair Tard, he didn't say that the game wouldn't make a ton of money... he said the  percentages that Lucas demand will impact heavily on EA's take home pay.


I can see where he is coming from.


The merchandising you mention for example... who do you think make off that? EA or LA?


Actually to be truly fair he made a blind assumption, as I'm sure he has no idea how the IP deal between Bioware and LA breaks down, that Bioware and EA would be stupid enough to make a deal that left them eaking out a minimal profit while LA got the lions share. As Masked pointed out, this isn't the first time Bioware has worked with LA. I seriously doubt they would make any kind of deal and pour so much money and effort into a product when they were only looking at getting a small return off of it.

 

Kotick's comments are a pathetic double bluff, insinuating that SWTOR can't really be a success and therefore a threat to his profit margins as even if the game turns out to be wildy popular EA and Bioware are too stupid to have made a favorable business deal with LA. He is essentially saying "Well even if SWTOR is a success they probably won't  make much money off it". He really might as well have just said "Well the grapes were probably sour anyway", as that is pretty much the actual gist of his sentiment.

 

 

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  FrodoFragins

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11/29/11 6:35:09 PM#71

Who profits the most doesn't really matter to Activision as they are losing customers regardless of who it is.  Kotick should be more concerned about making blizzard improve their game rather than letting it stagnate. 

  halobump

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11/29/11 8:07:51 PM#72

Please Santa, all I want for Christmas is for someone to stab Kotick.


Not fatally, just enough so that he may never return to a games company ever again with his personal hatred of games and his pastime of pissing on homeless children.


(Okay, I may of made up that last one)


  jerlot65

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11/29/11 8:13:38 PM#73

 

  GMan3

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11/29/11 8:14:50 PM#74
Originally posted by Tardcore
Originally posted by vesavius

Originally posted by Tardcore
 

A massive story driven themepark game based on Star Wars made by Bioware, a company with a massive fan following, and backed by Lucas Arts, the masters of merchandising madness, and he doesn't think that EA can turn a massive profit off this game? What a smug little jackass. I ended up not liking this game but even I can see how well it will appeal to quite a large number of gamers.

To be fair Tard, he didn't say that the game wouldn't make a ton of money... he said the  percentages that Lucas demand will impact heavily on EA's take home pay.

I can see where he is coming from.

The merchandising you mention for example... who do you think make off that? EA or LA?


Actually to be truly fair he made a blind assumption, as I'm sure he has no idea how the IP deal between Bioware and LA breaks down, that Bioware and EA would be stupid enough to make a deal that left them eaking out a minimal profit while LA got the lions share. As Masked pointed out, this isn't the first time Bioware has worked with LA. I seriously doubt they would make any kind of deal and pour so much money and effort into a product when they were only looking at getting a small return off of it.

 Kotick's comments are a pathetic double bluff, insinuating that SWTOR can't really be a success and therefore a threat to his profit margins as even if the game turns out to be wildy popular EA and Bioware are too stupid to have made a favorable business deal with LA. He is essentially saying "Well even if SWTOR is a success they probably won't  make much money off it". He really might as well have just said "Well the grapes were probably sour anyway", as that is pretty much the actual gist of his sentiment. 

    I have to agree with Tard here.  It just seems to me that the CEO is trying to do some sort of damage control (and doing it badly).  Reminds me of the statement released by the head of the company making the Battlestar Galactica MMO.  that one was almost as pathetic.

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  jerlot65

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11/29/11 8:15:06 PM#75
Originally posted by Tardcore
Originally posted by vesavius

Originally posted by Tardcore

A massive story driven themepark game based on Star Wars made by Bioware, a company with a massive fan following, and backed by Lucas Arts, the masters of merchandising madness, and he doesn't think that EA can turn a massive profit off this game? What a smug little jackass. I ended up not liking this game but even I can see how well it will appeal to quite a large number of gamers.


 


To be fair Tard, he didn't say that the game wouldn't make a ton of money... he said the  percentages that Lucas demand will impact heavily on EA's take home pay.


I can see where he is coming from.


The merchandising you mention for example... who do you think make off that? EA or LA?


Actually to be truly fair he made a blind assumption, as I'm sure he has no idea how the IP deal between Bioware and LA breaks down, that Bioware and EA would be stupid enough to make a deal that left them eaking out a minimal profit while LA got the lions share. As Masked pointed out, this isn't the first time Bioware has worked with LA. I seriously doubt they would make any kind of deal and pour so much money and effort into a product when they were only looking at getting a small return off of it.

 

Kotick's comments are a pathetic double bluff, insinuating that SWTOR can't really be a success and therefore a threat to his profit margins as even if the game turns out to be wildy popular EA and Bioware are too stupid to have made a favorable business deal with LA. He is essentially saying "Well even if SWTOR is a success they probably won't  make much money off it". He really might as well have just said "Well the grapes were probably sour anyway", as that is pretty much the actual gist of his sentiment.

 

 

He's referring to his stockholders leaving not Wow's playerbase.

  Soultice

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11/29/11 8:30:29 PM#76

Jerlot I am glad someone gets it.  Alot of assumptions thrown our there.  Those in the know probably know the percentages.  We now have financial wizards throwning out stock prices, over a darn game!!  I am laughing so hard as value does not mean squat!  Go look at Bank of America BAC right now!

Played both and neither one frankly really brings anything new to the genre.  This may ruffle the fanboi's feathers.   

  Beyorn

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11/29/11 8:45:39 PM#77
It just comes off to me like he is being petty. 
 
The genera has had a rough time the last couple of years.  I know they are in direct competition but looks like they could be a little more gracious to each other.
 
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  Shadows59

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11/29/11 11:08:35 PM#78

Sounds like someone running scared already in the face of the release of SWTOR shortly and TSW in April.


  Lanthir

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11/30/11 2:14:54 AM#79

you mean wow as in the EQ clone


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  Vhaln

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11/30/11 2:19:06 AM#80

He outright said that he doesn't know how the deal works, but just had doubts about how lucrative it could be for EA.  People are just clamoring to read all sorts of things into that.

 

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