Originally posted by Robsolf

Originally posted by tank017

huh?

 

I must have missed them saying that..

There are probably other examples around, but 2 comments that come to mind were comments about:

...people watching the movies probably not dreaming of being Uncle Owen.

...and in response to being able to free-fly through space, they said something like:  "Remember that part in the Star Wars movies where Han says to Chewie, 'Hey, let's blast off into space and just dick around!'.  I don't remember that part, either."

They were both in videos, but I don't recall which ones.

 

 I recall the space comment. They are right to a degree. I do not mind the space combat. it is a distraction and mini game for XP when I want to change it up a little.

I can't understand for the life of me how this post is still going. I thought for sure when I clicked the link I would see a hyperlink to something that Bioware said... responding to the haters. Instead.. I get an opinion of how a company has handled fans of a game that isn't out yet by a person who has no affiliation to said company given... some sort of observation from shows?

Awesome. 

Remember that part in the Star Wars movies where Han says to Chewie, "Hey, let's blast off into space and just dick around!" I don't remember that part, either."

Such a smug attitude those Bioware developers have.

You can take just about every mundane quest present in SWTOR right now and insert it into the above statement.

Hardly anything in the game resembles what any of the main heroic characters were doing in the movies.

Originally posted by 8BitAvatar

Remember that part in the Star Wars movies where Han says to Chewie, "Hey, let's blast off into space and just dick around!" I don't remember that part, either."

Such a smug attitude those Bioware developers have.

You can take just about every mundane quest present in SWTOR right now and insert it into the above statement.

Hardly anything in the game resembles what any of the main heroic characters were doing in the movies.

I dunno, the first Star Wars was little more than one long fed ex quest to get a little robot to the rebel leaders.

Originally posted by 8BitAvatar

Remember that part in the Star Wars movies where Han says to Chewie, "Hey, let's blast off into space and just dick around!" I don't remember that part, either."

Such a smug attitude those Bioware developers have.

You can take just about every mundane quest present in SWTOR right now and insert it into the above statement.

Hardly anything in the game resembles what any of the main heroic characters were doing in the movies.

Head out of sand for a minute here. This game is not based upon the movies. Your argument has been nullified.

Originally posted by Zenjinx

Originally posted by 8BitAvatar

Remember that part in the Star Wars movies where Han says to Chewie, "Hey, let's blast off into space and just dick around!" I don't remember that part, either."

Such a smug attitude those Bioware developers have.

You can take just about every mundane quest present in SWTOR right now and insert it into the above statement.

Hardly anything in the game resembles what any of the main heroic characters were doing in the movies.

Head out of sand for a minute here. This game is not based upon the movies. Your argument has been nullified.

Exactly, which is why their argument about 'dicking around in space' not being in the movies should be null and void.

They can't have their cake and eat it too.

Originally posted by dougmysticey

Originally posted by Robsolf

Originally posted by tank017

huh?

 

I must have missed them saying that..

There are probably other examples around, but 2 comments that come to mind were comments about:

...people watching the movies probably not dreaming of being Uncle Owen.

...and in response to being able to free-fly through space, they said something like:  "Remember that part in the Star Wars movies where Han says to Chewie, 'Hey, let's blast off into space and just dick around!'.  I don't remember that part, either."

They were both in videos, but I don't recall which ones.

 

 I recall the space comment. They are right to a degree. I do not mind the space combat. it is a distraction and mini game for XP when I want to change it up a little.

I like the space combat alot better than I expected I would, even after some 150-ish space commendations.  Still, there's alot more I'd like to see, and a little more freedom wouldn't hurt, either.  Still, their's is a good point to make.

Originally posted by niceguy3978

Originally posted by 8BitAvatar

Remember that part in the Star Wars movies where Han says to Chewie, "Hey, let's blast off into space and just dick around!" I don't remember that part, either."

Such a smug attitude those Bioware developers have.

You can take just about every mundane quest present in SWTOR right now and insert it into the above statement.

Hardly anything in the game resembles what any of the main heroic characters were doing in the movies.

I dunno, the first Star Wars was little more than one long fed ex quest to get a little robot to the rebel leaders.

This.

It absolutely, TOTALLY resembles things they would do in the movies, and then some.  In some cases there are blatant ripoffs... as a Bounty Hunter you'll find yourself fighting a hutt's "pet" down in the pit.

Their point in both quotes is about cinematics, and what people are or aren't interested in watching or playing.  Nobody cares what Uncle Owen's day to day life is like.  No one cares to watch the Millenium Falcon blast through space going through Space McDonalds, and picking up 5 space bucks in gas.

This is why most of my Star Wars buddies barely considered SWG.  They weren't at all interested in spending hours crafting, or grinding XP shooting "space bunnies" on Rori.  And once it was clear that you wouldn't survive a firefight with a single average stormtrooper til' you were at least halfway through your skills... 

...well...except when you were doc buffed, in which case you could stomp Rancor into the ground with your bare hands...

Pre-NGE SWG= good game, but BAD Star Wars game.  TOR= Good game, GREAT SW game.

Originally posted by MaGicBush

No they are not catering to the masses by making a WoW clone at all *sarcasm*. I will give them credit though, since I started following this game 3 years ago they said exactly what it would be. A WoW clone, they are catering to a group but have stuck to those guns and are not going to change anytime soon.

This!

People bitch about W0W clones, but W0W has a huge following. SWTOR is going to go after that following.

Lemme ask...what other market/fan base should they try to go after? SWG? Failed - closes Dec 15th. STO? Flop. LOTRO? God I hope not. APB? Tabula Rasa? DCUO? There's no other segment they should even attempt to go after.

They're in this to turn a profit. They will. The game is very good and more polished than any recent release. SWTOR is the best MMO released within the past 7 years.

Originally posted by dougmysticey

Originally posted by Robsolf

Originally posted by tank017

huh?

 

I must have missed them saying that..

There are probably other examples around, but 2 comments that come to mind were comments about:

...people watching the movies probably not dreaming of being Uncle Owen.

...and in response to being able to free-fly through space, they said something like:  "Remember that part in the Star Wars movies where Han says to Chewie, 'Hey, let's blast off into space and just dick around!'.  I don't remember that part, either."

They were both in videos, but I don't recall which ones.

 

 I recall the space comment. They are right to a degree. I do not mind the space combat. it is a distraction and mini game for XP when I want to change it up a little.

Originally posted by kanechart

What I have noticed overtime is that the people hate the game or dislike it love talking about it and disliking it. I assume people who dislike olives go to their local olive factories and bash them out too. I must give credit to bioware for doing a good job at pretty much telling these people off.

Rather then ignore these people who complain or demand a full redone of the game they pretty much said go eff off this is how our game is made and this is how were doing it.

Thanks Bioware for not ruining the game like Blizzard did for casual wannabe hardcore players.

No but it is the internet and we all have opinion's and have the right to say how they feel about something, just like you had to jump on here a say all the haters right.

Bioware did ruin the game theres nothing great about it (my opinion). {mod edit}

Originally posted by DeViLzzz2007

Bioware is already ruining the game.  They got rid of cc and interrupt combo for mobs in questing.  I wanted a challenge from questing for once and hoped this game would give it but the player community cried cuz they want to rush through the game and get to raiding and the other part are just lamers and want no challenge at all.

This is patently false.  Currently in beta as recently as last night.  I get stunned, mezzed, knocked back, snared all the time by just about every mob in the game, that includes regular and champion and elite mobs.  They've even gone so far as to increased the damage and hitpoints of all mobs in the game twice, in the last two builds.  People are even starting to complain that the basic trash mobs are now irritatingly strong.  Especially if you manage to get adds of more than the packs of 3 or 4 in which they normally run.  Even healers are starting to feel the crunch, as I get interrupted constatly when trying to heal from 3 or 4 attackers, let alone any more adds or god forbid a champion gets thrown into the mix.

Originally posted by Vhaln

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

 

I think its a combination of these whats happening here. And the bashers will allways be the loudest.

 

I know this is going to sound crazy, because people are still assuming TOR will be a hit.. but I think in this case, it's the fans that are the vocal minority.  I'm guessing that massive numbers of disappointed testers have just quietly moved on.  

 

If I'm wrong, then I've become so out of touch, I should probably give up on trying to understand people entirely, and go live on a mountaintop somewhere.

Please show us proof that the detractors of the game outnumber the fans of the game, let alone by your massive numbers count.  The pre-order numbers alone would prove you wrong, as would the constant polls that Bioware puts out in game and on the beta boards where the overwhelming numbers of players like the game immensely.  This site is infamous for it's trolls, yet they are in fact, small in number.  They merely make it a point to create new posts or visit fan posts to incessantly berate the game and it's followers.  Otherwise, I have no clue where you get the idea that massive numbers of gamers have written off this game and moved on, even by the biased standards of this website.

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Originally posted by tyrannis

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Originally posted by kanechart

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Originally posted by tank017

huh?
 
I must have missed them saying that..

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It's a general observation overtime at expo's and stuff. They kind have had a good bold this is what our game is and people who don't like that might not like it. My point is they been pretty good and bold at telling people hey don't like it don't play and rather like blizzard who says maybe maybe maybe they pretty upfront so far.
Does not mean they will not cross us later on but hey its a start!

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Oh so you mean just some shit you made up to satisfy you own desires. Why didn't you just say so up front?

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I second that!

Originally posted by DeViLzzz2007

Bioware is already ruining the game.  They got rid of cc and interrupt combo for mobs in questing.  I wanted a challenge from questing for once and hoped this game would give it but the player community cried cuz they want to rush through the game and get to raiding and the other part are just lamers and want no challenge at all.

No. They want what was promised - a "heroic" feeling game. Trash mobs should be like Stormtroopers or Battle Droids - EASY! Silver mobs a bit more challenging (Super Battle Droids) and Gold should make you 'think'. ELITE bosses should be a challenge.

What people like myself hate is when grinding becomes tedious! When getting from A to B involves killing 100 NPCs and then killing them again to get back!

If you want a challenge, go PvP.

Originally posted by Vhaln

I know this is going to sound crazy, because people are still assuming TOR will be a hit.. but I think in this case, it's the fans that are the vocal minority.  I'm guessing that massive numbers of disappointed testers have just quietly moved on.  

 

If I'm wrong, then I've become so out of touch, I should probably give up on trying to understand people entirely, and go live on a mountaintop somewhere.

Originally posted by TUX426

Originally posted by dougmysticey

Originally posted by Robsolf

There are probably other examples around, but 2 comments that come to mind were comments about:

...people watching the movies probably not dreaming of being Uncle Owen.

...and in response to being able to free-fly through space, they said something like:  "Remember that part in the Star Wars movies where Han says to Chewie, 'Hey, let's blast off into space and just dick around!'.  I don't remember that part, either."

They were both in videos, but I don't recall which ones.

 

 I recall the space comment. They are right to a degree. I do not mind the space combat. it is a distraction and mini game for XP when I want to change it up a little.

Yeah, they did make that comment. Truthfully, I loved the comment because as much as SWG players want to tout SWGs space game as some modern marvel, it lacked any 'content'. The "missions" consisted of (bugs) wave after wave of enemy fighters, more like Space Invaders than anything else - wave of 3, then 3 more, then 3 more, the 2 boss ships, repeat x5.

 

As AWESOME as it was to fly your ship, the complete lack of sh!t to do with that ship is exactly why space was so barren in SWG - NOBODY went up there. After 3 Aces, I could count the number of random players I saw on 2 hands.

 

I think people confuse SWG’s customization with a true “space game”. As far as customization goes, I doubt we’ll ever see SWG’s equal. But for “content”, SWTOR’s rail shooter is 100xs better.

What's funny is when I first started playing it, it seemed "kinda" slow moving, but I assumed it was because I was a "novice".  I got used to the slow speed as I played.  I didn't realize how slow til' I'd played X-wing Alliance, then came back this spring to play for my free 45 days.  Holy Jeeez!

I LOVED the various engine art and stuff they created for the upgrades, especially for the X-wing.  One particular one I like where instead of 4 engines you had 2 big engines as vertical strips along the back.

The other thing is... your "freeflight" area got REALLY small once you went to faster ships, engines and boosters.  I remember using hit and fade tactics to take baddies out one by one and out run them, then come back.  I'd end up smacking the invisible wall all too often.

Anyhoo, back to modern day.  ONE thing they could improve is to have Guild ships and missions, where you could have 4+ people on turrets in a ship, with one person piloting.  Each person's reticle would have to track independent of ship movement(to avoid the problems with SWG MP ships), but I think it could be pretty fun.

Originally posted by kanechart

What I have noticed overtime is that the people hate the game or dislike it love talking about it and disliking it. I assume people who dislike olives go to their local olive factories and bash them out too. I must give credit to bioware for doing a good job at pretty much telling these people off.

Rather then ignore these people who complain or demand a full redone of the game they pretty much said go eff off this is how our game is made and this is how were doing it.

Thanks Bioware for not ruining the game like Blizzard did for casual wannabe hardcore players.

The only reason Bioware would even tell us people off is because they no their game sucks and the mass amounts of people who dislike it hit them in the nuts and told them it sucks.

Originally posted by Vorthanion

Originally posted by DeViLzzz2007

Bioware is already ruining the game.  They got rid of cc and interrupt combo for mobs in questing.  I wanted a challenge from questing for once and hoped this game would give it but the player community cried cuz they want to rush through the game and get to raiding and the other part are just lamers and want no challenge at all.

This is patently false.  Currently in beta as recently as last night.  I get stunned, mezzed, knocked back, snared all the time by just about every mob in the game, that includes regular and champion and elite mobs.  They've even gone so far as to increased the damage and hitpoints of all mobs in the game twice, in the last two builds.  People are even starting to complain that the basic trash mobs are now irritatingly strong.  Especially if you manage to get adds of more than the packs of 3 or 4 in which they normally run.  Even healers are starting to feel the crunch, as I get interrupted constatly when trying to heal from 3 or 4 attackers, let alone any more adds or god forbid a champion gets thrown into the mix.

Same here... I was getting force choked some 2-4 times per Sith elite encounter.  I had to redo a soldier class mission one level over because the FIRST boss mob was just pwning me with constant interrupts, knockbacks, and freezes.  My armor completely broke twice, so I kept having to go repair and completely restart the mission.