Originally posted by JeroKane

Originally posted by headphones

Originally posted by Leucent

Not a suprising so called review by the OP, and laugable one at that. The game gets alot better, but I m not going to try and explain to someone that never gave the game a shot in the first place. I was very sceptacle when I first tried beta, only to be very suprised how good it was.

This was months ago, and I actually played past the starter area. AOC and WAR, really, you re comparing it to those. To each their own, but WAR was great in the first few levels, then hit the turd wall, AOC never felt good to me. Then again I ve played all 3 past the starter area.

 

as someone who hasn't played, may i ask WHEN it gets better? i always assumed a game should be fun right from the beginning.

i already know my wife and i are getting our copy. but, still.

is this another game that's only "fun" at mythical endgame?

It's just the standard rabit fanboi raging as usual, because god forbid that some people have critic against their "holy" game. Just ignore it.

Lol, he played to lvl 11. He knows nothing of what the game has to offer. You, well you haven t given anything to the conversation except the typical, "I have no clue how the game is so I ll just rehash the same stupid fanboi crap again" I may be rabid, but definately not "rabit"

Originally posted by Xthos

I ordered it for the wife and I, but I am worried about long term playability, when the story is done and I am maxed.  I played Rift and the wheels kind of fell of for me at that point too, for many reasons...I still got my money out of it, and probably will either way with swtor...Just skeptical of it being a long term game for me.

 

I am part of the less instance, more sandbox (my eye is on many of the hybrid type games incoming) crowd though.  I am gonna give it a go though, to be fair, and as I am not playing anything atm.

 

 

well for one thing  the  main story is different for each  class even though they do intersect at times.  Then the fact that you can do the same quest with the same class of toon but choose a different response which produces a different result for that quest  which build up as you do moroe quests thus effecting how your character feels to you.  Think of it as a tree frist you have the truck then  you go down one branch then another branch and so forth.

Originally posted by Leucent

Originally posted by JeroKane

Originally posted by headphones

Originally posted by Leucent

Not a suprising so called review by the OP, and laugable one at that. The game gets alot better, but I m not going to try and explain to someone that never gave the game a shot in the first place. I was very sceptacle when I first tried beta, only to be very suprised how good it was.

This was months ago, and I actually played past the starter area. AOC and WAR, really, you re comparing it to those. To each their own, but WAR was great in the first few levels, then hit the turd wall, AOC never felt good to me. Then again I ve played all 3 past the starter area.

 

as someone who hasn't played, may i ask WHEN it gets better? i always assumed a game should be fun right from the beginning.

i already know my wife and i are getting our copy. but, still.

is this another game that's only "fun" at mythical endgame?

It's just the standard rabit fanboi raging as usual, because god forbid that some people have critic against their "holy" game. Just ignore it.

Lol, he played to lvl 11. He knows nothing of what the game has to offer. You, well you haven t given anything to the conversation except the typical, "I have no clue how the game is so I ll just rehash the same stupid fanboi crap again" I may be rabid, but definately not "rabit"

If you don't do every single mission on the starter planet, then you'll be on Corrusant at level 9.

I am level 12 (close to 13) myself on my Shadow and I have spend hours on Corrusant already and seen all it's territories already. The guilds, The Justicars, The Black Sun, etc.

And I see the EXACT same crap on Corrusant!  Mobs just spawning in groups standing stationary in a single spot, until being aggro'd.

NPC's just standing still! Doing basically nothing.

The only thing moving are elevators and overhead traffic (wich is nicely done.. have to admit that).

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by Leucent

Originally posted by Lanthir

Originally posted by headphones

Originally posted by Leucent

Not a suprising so called review by the OP, and laugable one at that. The game gets alot better, but I m not going to try and explain to someone that never gave the game a shot in the first place. I was very sceptacle when I first tried beta, only to be very suprised how good it was.

This was months ago, and I actually played past the starter area. AOC and WAR, really, you re comparing it to those. To each their own, but WAR was great in the first few levels, then hit the turd wall, AOC never felt good to me. Then again I ve played all 3 past the starter area.

 

as someone who hasn't played, may i ask WHEN it gets better? i always assumed a game should be fun right from the beginning.

i already know my wife and i are getting our copy. but, still.

is this another game that's only "fun" at mythical endgame?

actually it is fun getting to the endgame.  Really if you want to have fun as you lvl this games has that.  If you want to rush to max lvl  it is probalby not  the one for you.

This is exactly it. The game has alot of things to do, it s not just story. I find it really isn t catered to the rush crowd, which is another reason I love it.

 

I would be very wary of your opinions tbh, you were the one back in the day defending Darkfall saying that hardcore mmorpgs are the way to go, so it seems you are pretty butterfly minded.

Anyway this is the same every time, AoC, WAR, Rift, some ppl will just jump on the bandwagon, and wont see any flaws on a new mmo released.

I thought the review was quite balanced and tbh I feel the same and will probably be playing it for the solo content on the first month or so but I dont see this being a success beyond that.

So far none of the pro SWTRO people have said the game has no flaws.  What many of us are saying is that what the OP considers  a flaw we consider a strength.  It was  also pointedout the OP has only a little experience with the game and that  soem of his issues go away as you lvl past where the OP did.

Originally posted by JeroKane

Originally posted by Leucent

Originally posted by JeroKane

Originally posted by headphones

Originally posted by Leucent

Not a suprising so called review by the OP, and laugable one at that. The game gets alot better, but I m not going to try and explain to someone that never gave the game a shot in the first place. I was very sceptacle when I first tried beta, only to be very suprised how good it was.

This was months ago, and I actually played past the starter area. AOC and WAR, really, you re comparing it to those. To each their own, but WAR was great in the first few levels, then hit the turd wall, AOC never felt good to me. Then again I ve played all 3 past the starter area.

 

as someone who hasn't played, may i ask WHEN it gets better? i always assumed a game should be fun right from the beginning.

i already know my wife and i are getting our copy. but, still.

is this another game that's only "fun" at mythical endgame?

It's just the standard rabit fanboi raging as usual, because god forbid that some people have critic against their "holy" game. Just ignore it.

Lol, he played to lvl 11. He knows nothing of what the game has to offer. You, well you haven t given anything to the conversation except the typical, "I have no clue how the game is so I ll just rehash the same stupid fanboi crap again" I may be rabid, but definately not "rabit"

If you don't do every single mission on the starter planet, then you'll be on Corrusant at level 9.

I am level 12 (close to 13) myself on my Shadow and I have spend hours on Corrusant already and seen all it's territories already. The guilds, The Justicars, The Black Sun, etc.

And I see the EXACT same crap on Corrusant!  Mobs just spawning in groups standing stationary in a single spot, until being aggro'd.

NPC's just standing still! Doing basically nothing.

The only thing moving are elevators and overheard traffic (wich is nicely done.. have to admit that).

 

i would aggree iw as disapointed in the feal of the major cities as parts do feal a bit lifeless with the NPC's just standing around.  However, you do tend to get that is most MMO's from eq through WoW.  Yes Iorn forge had life to it Darnassas felt dead.  I did find the orbital stations and the fleet ships more lively than the cities in SWTRO.

Originally posted by Lanthir

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by Leucent

Originally posted by Lanthir

Originally posted by headphones

Originally posted by Leucent

Not a suprising so called review by the OP, and laugable one at that. The game gets alot better, but I m not going to try and explain to someone that never gave the game a shot in the first place. I was very sceptacle when I first tried beta, only to be very suprised how good it was.

This was months ago, and I actually played past the starter area. AOC and WAR, really, you re comparing it to those. To each their own, but WAR was great in the first few levels, then hit the turd wall, AOC never felt good to me. Then again I ve played all 3 past the starter area.

 

as someone who hasn't played, may i ask WHEN it gets better? i always assumed a game should be fun right from the beginning.

i already know my wife and i are getting our copy. but, still.

is this another game that's only "fun" at mythical endgame?

actually it is fun getting to the endgame.  Really if you want to have fun as you lvl this games has that.  If you want to rush to max lvl  it is probalby not  the one for you.

This is exactly it. The game has alot of things to do, it s not just story. I find it really isn t catered to the rush crowd, which is another reason I love it.

 

I would be very wary of your opinions tbh, you were the one back in the day defending Darkfall saying that hardcore mmorpgs are the way to go, so it seems you are pretty butterfly minded.

Anyway this is the same every time, AoC, WAR, Rift, some ppl will just jump on the bandwagon, and wont see any flaws on a new mmo released.

I thought the review was quite balanced and tbh I feel the same and will probably be playing it for the solo content on the first month or so but I dont see this being a success beyond that.

So far none of the pro SWTRO people have said the game has no flaws.  What many of us are saying is that what the OP considers  a flaw we consider a strength.  It was  also pointedout the OP has only a little experience with the game and that  soem of his issues go away as you lvl past where the OP did.

This. 

I am a "rabid fanboy" for this game by most people's definition on this board, but I have also pointed out several big weaknesses in this game all over these forums when the conversation was about those areas. 

A couple of examples:

UI  I have bashed the crap out of the UI. As a healer it is infuriating to me to use this particularly archaic UI. They have made promises of improving it, and from what I have seen in beta when Bioware says they'll do something, they do it. I'm willing to give them some time to fix this. 

Space Combat: Don't like this. One thing people don't point out about the space combat is that every time an enemy gets behind you they fly faster then you, fly out in front of you, and let you blow them to crap instead of shooting you from behind. Terrible. 

That being said, when I see something I disagree with, I respond. I can do that. If someone is allowed to post their negative impression of something here, I have every right to disagree with them and respond.  The detractors of the game seem to want a place where they can go bash every aspect of the game and noone will have an opposing viewpoint. This is simply not going to be the place where that can happen.

You have every right to hate the game up and down, but I also have every right to disagree with you and so do the many other fans.  

I'm getting pretty tired of being called a "fanboy" every time I post. My opinion is no less valid than yours simply because I like something you don't.  

Originally posted by Jenovas

Originally posted by Aryas

Originally posted by DarkPony

 

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Originally posted by Jenovas
Hmm. Why all these " i played 4 hours in beta and i have a very super review to show you about how the WHOLE game is" reviews, pop up all the time around the internet? Can you tell us something else? About the flashpoints? The heroic quests? The operations? the open world objectives? how the class and roles fit in individually? The dps/healing animations? the advanced classes? The companion system? The crafting system?

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Good point that. People (mmorpg vets) should know better than to dismiss or glorify a mmorpg after just a couple of hours / a few days of play time (of a beta, even). Sure, anyone can give his or her first impression, but the proof of the pudding is in the eating. In that sense I only value what long term testers have to say (also the negative ones).

 

In Lobotomist's defense, if the game isn't enjoyable from the outset, why would anyone feel inclined to play all the way through?

 

As he states, it's CRITICAL that the game feels good immediately, not several hours/days of play down the line. I personally don't have the time for games like that when there are immediately fun games out there and if my xp of SWTOR is the same, I won't continue to play it past beta.

 

The proof of the pudding is in the eating and for most players, the 'eating' begins as soon as you hit 'Create New Character'.

 

Aryas

Then he could name the post "First planet review" or "first few testing hours" and tell us just how he think the game is shortly after the Log-in. But to have a full review and say "the game does not worth the sub" when you only have seen the 1% of what a game has to offer you, is just ridiculous. If he were working on a magazine he would have been fired. The game is not for everyone. Some ppl will like it and some ppl won't. But before you express an opinion for a specific matter, you have to HAVE an opinion. It is just like you are about to test a new car, you sit in the driver's seat and before you start the engine you say " ah this car sux. Does not worth the money".

And thumbs up for the comment about the soloing above. The lvl up system is extremely group friendly. I tried it both solo and group and i had much more fun doing quests with my friends and it took me less time.

I hear all the opinions with respect generally. But i want to hear real opinions. Not guesses. Play the game, see what it has to offer and then we can safely critisize it.

I understand what you're staying and playing through the entire game would give a more valuable insight into whether or not it's good or not. However, playing games is a fun pass time and MMO's take days to 'complete', if that word is even applicable. By that measure, we'd all be waiting 6-12 months post launch to hear a review from a normal players (i.e. NOT hardcore MMO nut) who'd tried most of the game. By that point, there would be so many changes, even that review would be defunct!

Using your test-drive analogy, I would personally liken the first few hours/levels of game play to taking the car for a spin round the block. Now I don't really car what a car mag might tell me, if I don't like the car by that point I'm not really going to care if - according to someone who isn't me - it will gradually becomes more rewarding down the line.

This game will sink faster than a lead-plated turd if it doesn't attract and retain big numbers. I believe most people won't stick around long if the game is lame at the start, just for  the promise of better gameplay later on. First impressions count, which is why the attractive girl with big tits and no personality gets the rich husband with a Porsche and the fat but friendly one ends up having illegitimate kids with an illegal immigrant and living off state handouts for the rest of her life.

Aryas

Originally posted by dubyahite

Originally posted by Lanthir

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by Leucent

Originally posted by Lanthir

Originally posted by headphones

Originally posted by Leucent

Not a suprising so called review by the OP, and laugable one at that. The game gets alot better, but I m not going to try and explain to someone that never gave the game a shot in the first place. I was very sceptacle when I first tried beta, only to be very suprised how good it was.

This was months ago, and I actually played past the starter area. AOC and WAR, really, you re comparing it to those. To each their own, but WAR was great in the first few levels, then hit the turd wall, AOC never felt good to me. Then again I ve played all 3 past the starter area.

 

as someone who hasn't played, may i ask WHEN it gets better? i always assumed a game should be fun right from the beginning.

i already know my wife and i are getting our copy. but, still.

is this another game that's only "fun" at mythical endgame?

actually it is fun getting to the endgame.  Really if you want to have fun as you lvl this games has that.  If you want to rush to max lvl  it is probalby not  the one for you.

This is exactly it. The game has alot of things to do, it s not just story. I find it really isn t catered to the rush crowd, which is another reason I love it.

 

I would be very wary of your opinions tbh, you were the one back in the day defending Darkfall saying that hardcore mmorpgs are the way to go, so it seems you are pretty butterfly minded.

Anyway this is the same every time, AoC, WAR, Rift, some ppl will just jump on the bandwagon, and wont see any flaws on a new mmo released.

I thought the review was quite balanced and tbh I feel the same and will probably be playing it for the solo content on the first month or so but I dont see this being a success beyond that.

So far none of the pro SWTRO people have said the game has no flaws.  What many of us are saying is that what the OP considers  a flaw we consider a strength.  It was  also pointedout the OP has only a little experience with the game and that  soem of his issues go away as you lvl past where the OP did.

This. 

I am a "rabid fanboy" for this game by most people's definition on this board, but I have also pointed out several big weaknesses in this game all over these forums when the conversation was about those areas. 

 

A couple of examples:

 

UI  I have bashed the crap out of the UI. As a healer it is infuriating to me to use this particularly archaic UI. They have made promises of improving it, and from what I have seen in beta when Bioware says they'll do something, they do it. I'm willing to give them some time to fix this. 

Space Combat: Don't like this. One thing people don't point out about the space combat is that every time an enemy gets behind you they fly faster then you, fly out in front of you, and let you blow them to crap instead of shooting you from behind. Terrible. 

 

 

That being said, when I see something I disagree with, I respond. I can do that. If someone is allowed to post their negative impression of something here, I have every right to disagree with them and respond.  The detractors of the game seem to want a place where they can go bash every aspect of the game and noone will have an opposing viewpoint. This is simply not going to be the place where that can happen.

 

You have every right to hate the game up and down, but I also have every right to disagree with you and so do the many other fans.  

 

I'm getting pretty tired of being called a "fanboy" every time I post. My opinion is no less valid than yours simply because I like something you don't.  

I find that also pretty baffling in how extremely limited the UI is!

You can't move pet UI's around. You can't move party UI around.

I am totally used to having my chat window in the bottom left corner, but I can't! Because my pet and group windows are fixed in that spot!

So I am forced to have the chat window in the top left corner!  Extremely frustrating the least!

Also sertainly not of this time and age! Especially since even tiny indy developers are capable of producing a much better and more customizable UI than this! 

/SIGH

I ve tested the game for almost 6 months. I can tell you, easily 90% of testers, including now love the game. I can also tell you the game has alot to do, and can and will keep people busy for many months. Bioware isn t stupid, they know that some people play through content, so fast they don t even have a clue on the story etc. Thats not the crowd they re after and I say thank god. If you ve played the game enough, you ll know it has more then just story.

Most people bashing the game hasn t even played it or have very little.

Originally posted by Kotatsu

Originally posted by Aryas

Originally posted by DarkPony

 

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Originally posted by Jenovas
Hmm. Why all these " i played 4 hours in beta and i have a very super review to show you about how the WHOLE game is" reviews, pop up all the time around the internet? Can you tell us something else? About the flashpoints? The heroic quests? The operations? the open world objectives? how the class and roles fit in individually? The dps/healing animations? the advanced classes? The companion system? The crafting system?

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Good point that. People (mmorpg vets) should know better than to dismiss or glorify a mmorpg after just a couple of hours / a few days of play time (of a beta, even). Sure, anyone can give his or her first impression, but the proof of the pudding is in the eating. In that sense I only value what long term testers have to say (also the negative ones).

 

In Lobotomist's defense, if the game isn't enjoyable from the outset, why would anyone feel inclined to play all the way through?

 

As he states, it's CRITICAL that the game feels good immediately, not several hours/days of play down the line. I personally don't have the time for games like that when there are immediately fun games out there and if my xp of SWTOR is the same, I won't continue to play it past beta.

 

The proof of the pudding is in the eating and for most players, the 'eating' begins as soon as you hit 'Create New Character'.

 

Aryas

"The proof of the pudding is in the eating and for most players, the 'eating' begins as soon as you hit 'Create New Character'."

 

I like that^^^.

Nah, at character creation you just took a seat and are looking at the menu. In mmorpg terms you haven't even ordered the starter yet. Let alone got a taste of the pudding.

Simply project it on other mmorpgs: How fair would a judgement call on AoC have been when you only experienced Tortage? Not so fair at all; it would have given you a much better impression than most content that came after it.

How relevant would a review of EVE online be from someone who did a few level 1 courier missions and got his first Rifter? Not so relevant at all. He might say it is boring, repetitive, too much instanced and the UI too complex. While a few months in he might be doing regular roams in lowsec with his newfound pirate chums and have a blast.

Like I said, everyone has a first impression of a new mmorpg and you are free to give it. Some will be positive, some will be negative, that's all fine and dandy. But to add wide arcing conclusions and judgement calls to your first impression as a mmorpg vet doesn't make you look credible, despite attempts to convince people that you are.

[snippity snip]

 

I would be very wary of your opinions tbh, you were the one back in the day defending Darkfall saying that hardcore mmorpgs are the way to go, so it seems you are pretty butterfly minded.

Anyway this is the same every time, AoC, WAR, Rift, some ppl will just jump on the bandwagon, and wont see any flaws on a new mmo released.

I thought the review was quite balanced and tbh I feel the same and will probably be playing it for the solo content on the first month or so but I dont see this being a success beyond that.

So far none of the pro SWTRO people have said the game has no flaws.  What many of us are saying is that what the OP considers  a flaw we consider a strength.  It was  also pointedout the OP has only a little experience with the game and that  soem of his issues go away as you lvl past where the OP did.

This. 

I am a "rabid fanboy" for this game by most people's definition on this board, but I have also pointed out several big weaknesses in this game all over these forums when the conversation was about those areas. 

 

A couple of examples:

 

UI  I have bashed the crap out of the UI. As a healer it is infuriating to me to use this particularly archaic UI. They have made promises of improving it, and from what I have seen in beta when Bioware says they'll do something, they do it. I'm willing to give them some time to fix this. 

Space Combat: Don't like this. One thing people don't point out about the space combat is that every time an enemy gets behind you they fly faster then you, fly out in front of you, and let you blow them to crap instead of shooting you from behind. Terrible. 

 

 

That being said, when I see something I disagree with, I respond. I can do that. If someone is allowed to post their negative impression of something here, I have every right to disagree with them and respond.  The detractors of the game seem to want a place where they can go bash every aspect of the game and noone will have an opposing viewpoint. This is simply not going to be the place where that can happen.

 

You have every right to hate the game up and down, but I also have every right to disagree with you and so do the many other fans.  

 

I'm getting pretty tired of being called a "fanboy" every time I post. My opinion is no less valid than yours simply because I like something you don't.  

I find that also pretty baffling in how extremely limited the UI is!

You can't move pet UI's around. You can't move party UI around.

I am totally used to having my chat window in the bottom left corner, but I can't! Because my pet and group windows are fixed in that spot!

So I am forced to have the chat window in the top left corner!  Extremely frustrating the least!

Also sertainly not of this time and age! Especially since even tiny indy developers are capable of producing a much better and more customizable UI than this! 

/SIGH

I think the most awesome example of a UI in a game (even though it's a game I don't particularly care for too much) is Rift. Damn they nailed it on the UI. I spent so much time when I first started playing that tweaking the UI and learning about all of the features. It was a very impressive interface.

IF Bioware can come up with something like that I will be a very happy healer. That really is the level of excellence a AAA mmo developer should be shooting for. 

Maybe Bioware can steal some of Trion's UI guys or something. HAHA

Originally posted by Enerzeal

The moment I saw you had purchased WAR and AOC after doing the beta test I disregarded your review, regardless of the fact that I have played it and have it on pre order.

Mr Reviewer mentioned the quests are best to solo. I don't believe they are actually. Me and a guild mate quested the smuggler/trooper planet completely together. Took us about 5 hours worth of play and enriched the experience completely. I felt my guild mates character had a true persona beyond being his avatar.

Often I would select one option but my guild mate would select another. It was nice that the quests didn't develop exactly as I wanted them to, it gave them some unpredictability.

 

Ohh and claiming your education in graphic art gives you the knowledge to judge how good a games graphics are is pretty bigheaded. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, next time you review a game and mention its graphics, explain it is your opinion which dictates your words, not some education.

well, you can do side missions together, the main storyline is instanced for you only so he's not completely wrong about this being good single player. Also, if someone has a music education and that person claims there are foul notes in your song would you tell him that beauty lies in the ear of the beholder?

Originally posted by DarkPony

But to add wide arcing conclusions and judgement calls to your first impression as a mmorpg vet doesn't make you look credible, despite attempts to convince people that you are.

Neither does launching a thread with a preemptive insult, honestly.  Odeur de créature mythique.

Originally posted by dubyahite

Originally posted by Lanthir

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by Leucent

Originally posted by Lanthir

Originally posted by headphones

Originally posted by Leucent

Not a suprising so called review by the OP, and laugable one at that. The game gets alot better, but I m not going to try and explain to someone that never gave the game a shot in the first place. I was very sceptacle when I first tried beta, only to be very suprised how good it was.

This was months ago, and I actually played past the starter area. AOC and WAR, really, you re comparing it to those. To each their own, but WAR was great in the first few levels, then hit the turd wall, AOC never felt good to me. Then again I ve played all 3 past the starter area.

 

as someone who hasn't played, may i ask WHEN it gets better? i always assumed a game should be fun right from the beginning.

i already know my wife and i are getting our copy. but, still.

is this another game that's only "fun" at mythical endgame?

actually it is fun getting to the endgame.  Really if you want to have fun as you lvl this games has that.  If you want to rush to max lvl  it is probalby not  the one for you.

This is exactly it. The game has alot of things to do, it s not just story. I find it really isn t catered to the rush crowd, which is another reason I love it.

 

I would be very wary of your opinions tbh, you were the one back in the day defending Darkfall saying that hardcore mmorpgs are the way to go, so it seems you are pretty butterfly minded.

Anyway this is the same every time, AoC, WAR, Rift, some ppl will just jump on the bandwagon, and wont see any flaws on a new mmo released.

I thought the review was quite balanced and tbh I feel the same and will probably be playing it for the solo content on the first month or so but I dont see this being a success beyond that.

So far none of the pro SWTRO people have said the game has no flaws.  What many of us are saying is that what the OP considers  a flaw we consider a strength.  It was  also pointedout the OP has only a little experience with the game and that  soem of his issues go away as you lvl past where the OP did.

This. 

I am a "rabid fanboy" for this game by most people's definition on this board, but I have also pointed out several big weaknesses in this game all over these forums when the conversation was about those areas. 

 

A couple of examples:

 

UI  I have bashed the crap out of the UI. As a healer it is infuriating to me to use this particularly archaic UI. They have made promises of improving it, and from what I have seen in beta when Bioware says they'll do something, they do it. I'm willing to give them some time to fix this. 

Space Combat: Don't like this. One thing people don't point out about the space combat is that every time an enemy gets behind you they fly faster then you, fly out in front of you, and let you blow them to crap instead of shooting you from behind. Terrible. 

 

 

That being said, when I see something I disagree with, I respond. I can do that. If someone is allowed to post their negative impression of something here, I have every right to disagree with them and respond.  The detractors of the game seem to want a place where they can go bash every aspect of the game and noone will have an opposing viewpoint. This is simply not going to be the place where that can happen.

 

You have every right to hate the game up and down, but I also have every right to disagree with you and so do the many other fans.  

 

I'm getting pretty tired of being called a "fanboy" every time I post. My opinion is no less valid than yours simply because I like something you don't.  

First i never called you a fanboi.  second i never said your opinion is less valid than mine.  Third i like the game and agree it  has soem issues i hope they will fix.  So I am not sure why you directed your comments to me.

Now to the two main flaws you meantion.  I agree space combat is bad.  I wil point out two things with this.  First, the Devs have acknowledge this and ahve said it will be improved post launch.  Second,  SWG Had no space travel at all let alone combat when it launch  and it was added latter on and was quite enjoyable.

Myself I do not have a major issue with the UI and I do heal. However, i can see the point fo view of those that do not like it.  It would be a nice f they coudl atleast give us the option to unlock the elements of it and move them around.

Originally posted by Lanthir

Originally posted by dubyahite

Originally posted by Lanthir

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by Leucent

Originally posted by Lanthir

Originally posted by headphones

Originally posted by Leucent

Not a suprising so called review by the OP, and laugable one at that. The game gets alot better, but I m not going to try and explain to someone that never gave the game a shot in the first place. I was very sceptacle when I first tried beta, only to be very suprised how good it was.

This was months ago, and I actually played past the starter area. AOC and WAR, really, you re comparing it to those. To each their own, but WAR was great in the first few levels, then hit the turd wall, AOC never felt good to me. Then again I ve played all 3 past the starter area.

 

as someone who hasn't played, may i ask WHEN it gets better? i always assumed a game should be fun right from the beginning.

i already know my wife and i are getting our copy. but, still.

is this another game that's only "fun" at mythical endgame?

actually it is fun getting to the endgame.  Really if you want to have fun as you lvl this games has that.  If you want to rush to max lvl  it is probalby not  the one for you.

This is exactly it. The game has alot of things to do, it s not just story. I find it really isn t catered to the rush crowd, which is another reason I love it.

 

I would be very wary of your opinions tbh, you were the one back in the day defending Darkfall saying that hardcore mmorpgs are the way to go, so it seems you are pretty butterfly minded.

Anyway this is the same every time, AoC, WAR, Rift, some ppl will just jump on the bandwagon, and wont see any flaws on a new mmo released.

I thought the review was quite balanced and tbh I feel the same and will probably be playing it for the solo content on the first month or so but I dont see this being a success beyond that.

So far none of the pro SWTRO people have said the game has no flaws.  What many of us are saying is that what the OP considers  a flaw we consider a strength.  It was  also pointedout the OP has only a little experience with the game and that  soem of his issues go away as you lvl past where the OP did.

This. 

I am a "rabid fanboy" for this game by most people's definition on this board, but I have also pointed out several big weaknesses in this game all over these forums when the conversation was about those areas. 

 

A couple of examples:

 

UI  I have bashed the crap out of the UI. As a healer it is infuriating to me to use this particularly archaic UI. They have made promises of improving it, and from what I have seen in beta when Bioware says they'll do something, they do it. I'm willing to give them some time to fix this. 

Space Combat: Don't like this. One thing people don't point out about the space combat is that every time an enemy gets behind you they fly faster then you, fly out in front of you, and let you blow them to crap instead of shooting you from behind. Terrible. 

 

 

That being said, when I see something I disagree with, I respond. I can do that. If someone is allowed to post their negative impression of something here, I have every right to disagree with them and respond.  The detractors of the game seem to want a place where they can go bash every aspect of the game and noone will have an opposing viewpoint. This is simply not going to be the place where that can happen.

 

You have every right to hate the game up and down, but I also have every right to disagree with you and so do the many other fans.  

 

I'm getting pretty tired of being called a "fanboy" every time I post. My opinion is no less valid than yours simply because I like something you don't.  

First i never called you a fanboi.  second i never said your opinion is less valid than mine.  Third i like the game and agree it  has soem issues i hope they will fix.  So I am not sure why you directed your comments to me.

 

Now to the two main flaws you meantion.  I agree space combat is bad.  I wil point out two things with this.  First, the Devs have acknowledge this and ahve said it will be improved post launch.  Second,  SWG Had no space travel at all let alone combat when it launch  and it was added latter on and was quite enjoyable.

Myself I do not have a major issue with the UI and I do heal. However, i can see the point fo view of those that do not like it.  It would be a nice f they coudl atleast give us the option to unlock the elements of it and move them around.

Eh I could have worded that better. I didn't mean to direct those comments at you and I know you didn't call me a fanboy. Noone has, directly. 

I meant "you" in the general sense, like everyone. I'm really tired right now. lol  I was meaning to agree with you, sorry for the confusion.

Originally posted by dubyahite

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I would be very wary of your opinions tbh, you were the one back in the day defending Darkfall saying that hardcore mmorpgs are the way to go, so it seems you are pretty butterfly minded.

Anyway this is the same every time, AoC, WAR, Rift, some ppl will just jump on the bandwagon, and wont see any flaws on a new mmo released.

I thought the review was quite balanced and tbh I feel the same and will probably be playing it for the solo content on the first month or so but I dont see this being a success beyond that.

So far none of the pro SWTRO people have said the game has no flaws.  What many of us are saying is that what the OP considers  a flaw we consider a strength.  It was  also pointedout the OP has only a little experience with the game and that  soem of his issues go away as you lvl past where the OP did.

This. 

I am a "rabid fanboy" for this game by most people's definition on this board, but I have also pointed out several big weaknesses in this game all over these forums when the conversation was about those areas. 

 

A couple of examples:

 

UI  I have bashed the crap out of the UI. As a healer it is infuriating to me to use this particularly archaic UI. They have made promises of improving it, and from what I have seen in beta when Bioware says they'll do something, they do it. I'm willing to give them some time to fix this. 

Space Combat: Don't like this. One thing people don't point out about the space combat is that every time an enemy gets behind you they fly faster then you, fly out in front of you, and let you blow them to crap instead of shooting you from behind. Terrible. 

 

 

That being said, when I see something I disagree with, I respond. I can do that. If someone is allowed to post their negative impression of something here, I have every right to disagree with them and respond.  The detractors of the game seem to want a place where they can go bash every aspect of the game and noone will have an opposing viewpoint. This is simply not going to be the place where that can happen.

 

You have every right to hate the game up and down, but I also have every right to disagree with you and so do the many other fans.  

 

I'm getting pretty tired of being called a "fanboy" every time I post. My opinion is no less valid than yours simply because I like something you don't.  

I find that also pretty baffling in how extremely limited the UI is!

You can't move pet UI's around. You can't move party UI around.

I am totally used to having my chat window in the bottom left corner, but I can't! Because my pet and group windows are fixed in that spot!

So I am forced to have the chat window in the top left corner!  Extremely frustrating the least!

Also sertainly not of this time and age! Especially since even tiny indy developers are capable of producing a much better and more customizable UI than this! 

/SIGH

I think the most awesome example of a UI in a game (even though it's a game I don't particularly care for too much) is Rift. Damn they nailed it on the UI. I spent so much time when I first started playing that tweaking the UI and learning about all of the features. It was a very impressive interface.

 

IF Bioware can come up with something like that I will be a very happy healer. That really is the level of excellence a AAA mmo developer should be shooting for. 

 

Maybe Bioware can steal some of Trion's UI guys or something. HAHA

yup Rift had a great UI.  the Best standard UI's for me was LOTRO and DDO.  yYu could unlock every single piece of them  and move them all around.

Originally posted by DarkPony

 

Nah, at character creation you just took a seat and are looking at the menu. In mmorpg terms you haven't even ordered the starter yet. Let alone got a taste of the pudding.

Simply project it on other mmorpgs: How fair would a judgement call on AoC have been when you only experienced Tortage? Not so fair at all; it would have given you a much better impression than most content that came after it.

How relevant would a review of EVE online be from someone who did a few level 1 courier missions and got his first Rifter? Not so relevant at all. He might say it is boring, repetitive, too much instanced and the UI too complex. While a few months in he might be doing regular roams in lowsec with his newfound pirate chums and have a blast.

Like I said, everyone has a first impression of a new mmorpg and you are free to give it. Some will be positie, some will be negative, that's all fine and dandy. But to add wide arcing conclusions and judgement calls to your first impression as a mmorpg vet doesn't make you look credible, despite attempts to convince people that you are.

Hi DarkPony

I thought about you while playing open beta these days.

My thought was " What was that dude thinking ?! What the hell got him so excited about this game ?? Is he crazy or am i crazy ?"

Honestly I am still puzzled how one can see dirt and another diamonds.

And I have been addicted to gaming since 1984...

But I regress

I think that your comment about EVE is not fair. SWTOR and EVE are fundamentaly different games they should not even be mentioned in same topic.

As for AOC , you are right. And that is exactly my point.

Funcom knew that first experience is what counts. And they invested the most in it. It worked pretty good too. They managed to sell million copies and game got excellent reviews.

Are you telling me that in this case BIOWARE decided to shoot them selves in the leg. And make first experience awfull , So that only true dedicated fans that decide to though it out eventually emerge in gameplay heaven ?

It trully counters any common sense , marketing strategy or sane thinking.

And also. In review i note and commend Bioware on huge ammount of content and branching quests - that i didnt experience. But I am sure its there in the game. So dont tell me i didnt take that in account.

Originally posted by dubyahite

Originally posted by Lanthir

Originally posted by dubyahite

Originally posted by Lanthir

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by Leucent

Originally posted by Lanthir

Originally posted by headphones

Originally posted by Leucent

Not a suprising so called review by the OP, and laugable one at that. The game gets alot better, but I m not going to try and explain to someone that never gave the game a shot in the first place. I was very sceptacle when I first tried beta, only to be very suprised how good it was.

This was months ago, and I actually played past the starter area. AOC and WAR, really, you re comparing it to those. To each their own, but WAR was great in the first few levels, then hit the turd wall, AOC never felt good to me. Then again I ve played all 3 past the starter area.

 

as someone who hasn't played, may i ask WHEN it gets better? i always assumed a game should be fun right from the beginning.

i already know my wife and i are getting our copy. but, still.

is this another game that's only "fun" at mythical endgame?

actually it is fun getting to the endgame.  Really if you want to have fun as you lvl this games has that.  If you want to rush to max lvl  it is probalby not  the one for you.

This is exactly it. The game has alot of things to do, it s not just story. I find it really isn t catered to the rush crowd, which is another reason I love it.

 

I would be very wary of your opinions tbh, you were the one back in the day defending Darkfall saying that hardcore mmorpgs are the way to go, so it seems you are pretty butterfly minded.

Anyway this is the same every time, AoC, WAR, Rift, some ppl will just jump on the bandwagon, and wont see any flaws on a new mmo released.

I thought the review was quite balanced and tbh I feel the same and will probably be playing it for the solo content on the first month or so but I dont see this being a success beyond that.

So far none of the pro SWTRO people have said the game has no flaws.  What many of us are saying is that what the OP considers  a flaw we consider a strength.  It was  also pointedout the OP has only a little experience with the game and that  soem of his issues go away as you lvl past where the OP did.

This. 

I am a "rabid fanboy" for this game by most people's definition on this board, but I have also pointed out several big weaknesses in this game all over these forums when the conversation was about those areas. 

 

A couple of examples:

 

UI  I have bashed the crap out of the UI. As a healer it is infuriating to me to use this particularly archaic UI. They have made promises of improving it, and from what I have seen in beta when Bioware says they'll do something, they do it. I'm willing to give them some time to fix this. 

Space Combat: Don't like this. One thing people don't point out about the space combat is that every time an enemy gets behind you they fly faster then you, fly out in front of you, and let you blow them to crap instead of shooting you from behind. Terrible. 

 

 

That being said, when I see something I disagree with, I respond. I can do that. If someone is allowed to post their negative impression of something here, I have every right to disagree with them and respond.  The detractors of the game seem to want a place where they can go bash every aspect of the game and noone will have an opposing viewpoint. This is simply not going to be the place where that can happen.

 

You have every right to hate the game up and down, but I also have every right to disagree with you and so do the many other fans.  

 

I'm getting pretty tired of being called a "fanboy" every time I post. My opinion is no less valid than yours simply because I like something you don't.  

First i never called you a fanboi.  second i never said your opinion is less valid than mine.  Third i like the game and agree it  has soem issues i hope they will fix.  So I am not sure why you directed your comments to me.

 

Now to the two main flaws you meantion.  I agree space combat is bad.  I wil point out two things with this.  First, the Devs have acknowledge this and ahve said it will be improved post launch.  Second,  SWG Had no space travel at all let alone combat when it launch  and it was added latter on and was quite enjoyable.

Myself I do not have a major issue with the UI and I do heal. However, i can see the point fo view of those that do not like it.  It would be a nice f they coudl atleast give us the option to unlock the elements of it and move them around.

Eh I could have worded that better. I didn't mean to direct those comments at you and I know you didn't call me a fanboy. Noone has, directly. 

 

I meant "you" in the general sense, like everyone. I'm really tired right now. lol  I was meaning to agree with you, sorry for the confusion.

no problem and if i had my inquistor here i woudl just give you a little shock to wake you up.  According to Vett  it hardly hurts at all

Which brings up a major high point of the game the companions.  They have a terrific AI.  They are not Hunter pets that's foresure.  They really add alot to the game especially if you solo alot.  Typical bioware fare dating back to baulders gate.  I was impressed how they managed to set them up to be so customizable.  Even shortly after you get yoru first one you wind up with  12 different looks for it.  Which is in stark contrast to the player character creation.  Although i must say i have yet to see anyone playing the same race and class as any of my toons have a toon that looks the exact same.

Originally posted by Lobotomist

Originally posted by DarkPony

 

Nah, at character creation you just took a seat and are looking at the menu. In mmorpg terms you haven't even ordered the starter yet. Let alone got a taste of the pudding.

Simply project it on other mmorpgs: How fair would a judgement call on AoC have been when you only experienced Tortage? Not so fair at all; it would have given you a much better impression than most content that came after it.

How relevant would a review of EVE online be from someone who did a few level 1 courier missions and got his first Rifter? Not so relevant at all. He might say it is boring, repetitive, too much instanced and the UI too complex. While a few months in he might be doing regular roams in lowsec with his newfound pirate chums and have a blast.

Like I said, everyone has a first impression of a new mmorpg and you are free to give it. Some will be positie, some will be negative, that's all fine and dandy. But to add wide arcing conclusions and judgement calls to your first impression as a mmorpg vet doesn't make you look credible, despite attempts to convince people that you are.

Hi DarkPony

I thought about you while playing open beta these days.

My thought was " What was that dude thinking ?! What the hell got him so excited about this game ?? Is he crazy or am i crazy ?"

Honestly I am still puzzled how one can see dirt and another diamonds.

And I have been addicted to gaming since 1984...

 

But I regress

 

I think that your comment about EVE is not fair. SWTOR and EVE are fundamentaly different games they should not even be mentioned in same topic.

As for AOC , you are right. And that is exactly my point.

Funcom knew that first experience is what counts. And they invested the most in it.

It worked pretty good too. They managed to sell million copies and game got excellent reviews.

 

Are you telling me that in this case BIOWARE decided to shoot them selves in the leg. And make first experience awfull ?

So that only true dedicated fans that decide to though it out eventually emerge in gameplay heaven ?

 

It trully counters any common sense , marketing strategy or sane thinking.

 

 

And also. In review i note and commend Bioware on huge ammount of content and branching quests - that i didnt experience. But I am sure its there in the game. So dont tell me i didnt take that in account.

 

As far as AoC's sales, SWTOR is going to sell way more copies than that and they are getting good reviews from the press. 

Even though Funcom frontloaded the game, people eventually found out how incomplete the game really was. I wouldn't say that this behavior of theirs should give them any kind of props. 

If you're saying Bioware should have done the same thing as them, then I really have to disagree with that. I would say they should do the opposite of what Funcom did with AoC if they wan't to be succesful, and not go F2P.

I agree overall but I think you accidentally a few words?

I just checked the game out over the weekend.  My initial impression was of how poorly optimized the game seemed to be.  The FPS vs what was being drawn on screen was out of equilibrium by quite a bit.  I just about dropped the game right there, but decided to give it another try.  I'm not sure if some changes don't take effect while in game and require a restart, but on the next run the game ran a bit better though still low in the FPS department.

I'm not really a Star Wars fan, and I'm not too sure what the draw is to it to be honest.  So I'm impartial as far as being driven in any way just by the IP.   So far what I've found that SWTOR brings fresh to our plates are the voice acting and seemingly choice oriented progression.  I found the way multiple people in a party are involved in this process a good choice as well with rolls being made on who's choice is the prominent one.  Another step in the right direction, is the branching quest lines.  I can't remember seeing this in other MMO's I have played.  I can see some possible issues with grouping for such lines, but assuming they are doable solo, I still feel it's a good decision to have this.

Quests are pretty much what you'd expect genericly once embarked upon them.  I played exclusively in a party which made it a bit more interesting.  Having played MMO's since UO, I'm not ENTIRELY sure I would have continued without the multiplayer aspect, being the majority of playtime is spent in the questing part of the game.  My attention was not grabbed off the bat and some of the quests had me revisit locations I had JUST left more than once causing me some annoyance.

While questing I noticed something Bioware has now become known for in games such as Dragon Age 2.  Reused assets.  I entered probably 4-5 different caves and they were EXACTLY the same.  Taking a large cave and just copy pasting it to multiple areas that will be visited consecutively, am I not supposed to notice this?  The conclusion has to be they don't care if it's exactly the same.  For me this is a large red flag.

The combat seemed decent, though at times my character was swinging his lightsaber and damaging the enemy without touching it.  The force powers my character had seemed interesting and I felt most of them were well animated.

Overall, I feel the game is above average, with the story driven cut scenes and choices giving it that push along with the branching quest liens.  It builds a more direct link with the character you are playing and with the story.  Voice is very important if the majority of people are to be pulled into the story.  Without that innovation, the game would be run of the mill in my opinion.  So I feel there are quite a few areas that need improvement to be the end all be all.  Constant reuse of assets on a large scale for one should be eliminated.  That's about all I have to say for now.