didnt u know the same guy posting a bad review 10 times outweights the 100s of positive reviews to there 2 negative any day.

 

same here mate.Dont worry someday we will all play a good mmo.Lets hope it will not take 5 years more

Agree.........Bring back the mechanics of pre cu, or cu swg and fit it into any game and we wont be sick anymore = simple

I've been a beta tester since late July and TOR is the single worst MMO I've ever played/tested.  I don't even understand how this game was in development for as long as it was considering they used an existing game engine and let Blizzard make all of their design decisions.

From the joke of a space combat system to the antiquated and coma-inducing combat engine the game just reeks of archaic regurgitation.

As a Star Wars fanatic the game is abysmal as well.  TOR is beyond bad and I'm very glad I was allowed to beta test it so I could cancel my pre-order in good conscience.  

Nice try, Bioware.  Stick to the Dragon Ages and Mass Effects.

this is my final post in this thread. Put it this way... this game as it stands wouldnt have a EMU generated by the players for any reason! 

after 4 hours in beta and managed to reach lvl 10 on my character i was already bored out of my skull, this game aint fun. its just a copy/past been there done that. aint worth my money

Quite minor points all that the OP listed, only thing I strongly agree is the UI, it needs ALOT more customization options. Yeah and chat bubbles would be nice.

Other than, it's what I knew it would be before I tried it, and I've had a blast this wekeend, most annoying thing however is that I've completely no idea what class to roll from the start now -.-

Edit: Btw I was amazed how little whining about anything considering the game there has been the last two days in the beta, taking this forum as ref point there should be nothing but whining in the chat of the game heh. There's people who dont like many things about this game, but mostly the group this game is made for seems to like it.

Originally posted by Kuinn

Other than, it's what I knew it would be before I tried it, and I've had a blast this wekeend, most annoying thing however is that I've completely no idea what class to roll from the start now -.-

Originally posted by scotty899

this just in 'ITS FREE A BETA' andit aint gona make everyone happy.

 

If you are just gona cry, why dont you post it in the swotr forum so somthing can be elaborated on and maybe fixed/changed.

 

i enjoy it. nothing like WoW. no stupid panda expansion. and people who QQ for no auto hit should just stick to their one button macro mmo's

1. This was just a stress test of servers - nothing major will change for launch.

2. It is EXACTLY like wow, just worse.

I am tired of wow and want something NEW. If I wanted WoW2 in space, then swtor would do an ok job. I am pretty sure subscriber numbers are going to drop like a rock after the first month.

Why can't developers just make a real mmo...

Been there done that and voice over is not a big deal to me.

The game have a lot of flaws, and a lot of positive things too, but i'm dissapointed with it because i wanted a new Knights of the Old Republic mixed with a new MMORPG, and sadly this game isn't any of those things. KOTOR games have a more mature and elaborated story with fantastic characters and places. Bioware has lost his touch, or maybe it's EA's fault...

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Originally posted by I_Return
OP, theose are minor things compared to the scope of the entire game. This game is an entirely new genre of  mmo.

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Its not an entirely new genre of anything.. Star Wars MMO and World of Warcraft exist from before..

Eh, I never wanted this game. I played beta today for the first time and leveled to 11, and I had a blast! The bounty hunter class was fun as hell, and i found myself wanting to listen to every cut scene. I like the story, I like the combat, I like the pvp matches, I like the quests..... I wonder how the dungeons are. 

Thinking of preordering now.... not sure though

Originally posted by Palatine

Originally posted by Kuinn

Other than, it's what I knew it would be before I tried it, and I've had a blast this wekeend, most annoying thing however is that I've completely no idea what class to roll from the start now -.-

 

I did say the last post was my last in this thread, but had to comment. Thats because they all feel like the same class? Whatever you play its going to feel dull...................................zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz'=dead

 Only class that "felt the same" to me was Jedi Knight, it felt like the generic warrior in any other mmorpg, still I had fun because the animations and gfx were very nice to my taste.

Smuggler and Trooper were a lot more unique and had twists, and abilities to them, that I cant really place into any other "traditional mmorpg class" as easily as the JK.

Going to try consular tomorrow, but the main thing is, I'm having honest fun with this game, and I'm sorry for you not having fun with it, I'm sure something gets released next spring (TSW? GW2?) that you might like too.

Originally posted by Kuinn

Originally posted by Palatine

Originally posted by Kuinn

Other than, it's what I knew it would be before I tried it, and I've had a blast this wekeend, most annoying thing however is that I've completely no idea what class to roll from the start now -.-

 

I did say the last post was my last in this thread, but had to comment. Thats because they all feel like the same class? Whatever you play its going to feel dull...................................zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz'=dead

 Only class that "felt the same" to me was Jedi Knight, it felt like the generic warrior in any other mmorpg, still I had fun because the animations and gfx were very nice to my taste.

 

Smuggler and Trooper were a lot more unique and had twists, and abilities to them, that I cant really place into any other "traditional mmorpg class" as easily as the JK.

 

Going to try consular tomorrow, but the main thing is, I'm having honest fun with this game, and I'm sorry for you not having fun with it, I'm sure something gets released next spring (TSW? GW2?) that you might like too.

Glad you are having fun mate, thats the main thing! Good on you sir!

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Originally posted by Margulis

I'm very disappointed in TOR.  Some people want to know well WHY! are you disappointed?!  Well, for me, here's why....

1. Character creation - (lack of options in key areas like body and face type)

Espescially the body types/size could/should be improved

2. No completed quest log - (If we are playing many alts, would like to refresh on a toon's story by looking at recent completed quests.)

Valid point, tough only a minor inconcenience for most

3. Social hubs / cities feel lifeless - (no npc interaction except with quest givers, very quiet, almost no ambient npc conversation or sound. Most npc's are just locked in one spot / position for infinity. Try walking through the Jedi Temple or Coruscant, feels like a graveyard or library)

Valid point, tough only a minor inconvenience for most

4. World is lifeless - (no critters, birds, nothing. There are a few non aggro mobs or beasts, but they just stay locked in 1 spot pretty much)

Valid point, tough only a minor inconvenience for most

5. No day / night cycle.

Valid point, tough only a minor inconvenience for most

6. No swimming

Valid point, tough only a minor inconvenience for most

7. Space combat

I happen to like the space minigame for what it is, a min game

8. Races available to choose from - (all human races disappointing - was hoping to play a Rodian or Ithorian)

Not a point of my concern

9. Very slow travel speed.

Which is good as it makes the world feel bigger, and when i was in the millitary i could not run that fast with all my gear on my back.

10. Racial abilities are not only worthless, but just plain dumb (most of them anyway)

Not a point of my concern

11. Graphics, especially in environments.

I like their graphics style, its build to last.

12. Cannot custom UI

This really is a major Issue, they are going to improve that after release.

13.  Extremely primitive guild features.

Not a point of my concern, as these are things that can and will be easilly improved after release

14.  No chat bubbles (to help with cross-faction chat)

Valid point, tough only a minor inconvenience for most

15.  Water is terrible, pan the camera from underneath and you can see it's just a blue texture placed on top of an empty hole that you run through

Valid point, but who cares if its not possible to swim.

That's what I can think of for right now.  I will say I love the story and voice acting - but it seems they pumped 80% of their money into that and the GAME is somewhat of an afterthought.  It's not bad, but for the money and hype put into it - for me it falls pretty flat.

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The same list the op made is what SOME OF YOU bitched about that "killed" other mmos. Talk about retards with wings, you flocked over to the exact same thing you posted against and "love" it. No, not all of you had negative posts or flocked over after being retarded, I'm talking to the ones that seem to be as two faced as Harvey Dent when it comes to being so "staunch" on their ideals and opinions. For the rest, hope you enjoy TOR.

Originally posted by redpins

The same list the op made is what SOME OF YOU bitched about that "killed" other mmos. Talk about retards with wings, you flocked over to the exact same thing you posted against and "love" it. No, not all of you had negative posts or flocked over after being retarded, I'm talking to the ones that seem to be as two faced as Harvey Dent when it comes to being so "staunch" on their ideals and opinions. For the rest, hope you enjoy TOR.

People are entitled to their opinions, wether you like them or not.  They are what they are...

But what I have a problem with is your use of the word "retard".  Do you even know someone who is mentally challenged?  Didn't think so...

Yet you claim in your signature and avatar such things as "wisdom" and a "hatred of ignorance".  Really?

Please people try and be a bit more empathetic towards your fellow man.

OP here.  Lots of different opinions, which is to be expected.  One thing that I will agree with is that, individually, pretty much all of the things I listed aren't THAT big of a deal or that hard to fix.  The problem is that there are so many of them they just add up, which to me equaled a pretty disappointing expereince. 

One thing seems pretty clear to me - a VERY LARGE portion of the huge amounts they threw into this game must have been towards the voice acting, dialgoue and cut scenes - because after that this game is as generic and mediocre as they come, and in many areas taking a back step for mmo's.

But hey, that's my opinon, you're all welcome to yours.

Originally posted by forty4plus2

A couple of things:

The reason there isn't a Day/night cycle is because of the artistic direction.  The wanted each world to have a certain look and feel to them and also as a sort of allegory to the fall and rise of the empire (night and dusk) and republic (daytime and morning). 

Also, the reason there isn't "non-humanlike" races is because Bioware wanted playable characters that are relatable. And if you look at the Star Wars universe there aren't many main characters who are non-human.

But, everything else the OP has stated are not gamebreakers for me.  Most of it will likely be expanded upon after release. At least I hope ;-)

You believe that do you?  it's called marketing B.S. my friend.  Let me decipher:

1.  No day / night cycles - They didn't want to put the time and money into developing this.   There is even an interview somewhere with a dev who confirmed it was due to time / money issues. 

2.  No races besides human races - They only had to make 1 type of armor model that would work for every race this way, greatly cutting down on time / cost.

Bottom line - don't believe everything you're told, especially when it's in THEIR best interest to lie to you about it.

Originally posted by stealthbr

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Originally posted by Margulis

I'm very disappointed in TOR.  Some people want to know well WHY! are you disappointed?!  Well, for me, here's why....

1. Character creation - (lack of options in key areas like body and face type)

Espescially the body types/size could/should be improved

2. No completed quest log - (If we are playing many alts, would like to refresh on a toon's story by looking at recent completed quests.)

Valid point, tough only a minor inconcenience for most

3. Social hubs / cities feel lifeless - (no npc interaction except with quest givers, very quiet, almost no ambient npc conversation or sound. Most npc's are just locked in one spot / position for infinity. Try walking through the Jedi Temple or Coruscant, feels like a graveyard or library)

Valid point, tough only a minor inconvenience for most

4. World is lifeless - (no critters, birds, nothing. There are a few non aggro mobs or beasts, but they just stay locked in 1 spot pretty much)

Valid point, tough only a minor inconvenience for most

5. No day / night cycle.

Valid point, tough only a minor inconvenience for most

6. No swimming

Valid point, tough only a minor inconvenience for most

7. Space combat

I happen to like the space minigame for what it is, a min game

8. Races available to choose from - (all human races disappointing - was hoping to play a Rodian or Ithorian)

Not a point of my concern

9. Very slow travel speed.

Which is good as it makes the world feel bigger, and when i was in the millitary i could not run that fast with all my gear on my back.

10. Racial abilities are not only worthless, but just plain dumb (most of them anyway)

Not a point of my concern

11. Graphics, especially in environments.

I like their graphics style, its build to last.

12. Cannot custom UI

This really is a major Issue, they are going to improve that after release.

13.  Extremely primitive guild features.

Not a point of my concern, as these are things that can and will be easilly improved after release

14.  No chat bubbles (to help with cross-faction chat)

Valid point, tough only a minor inconvenience for most

15.  Water is terrible, pan the camera from underneath and you can see it's just a blue texture placed on top of an empty hole that you run through

Valid point, but who cares if its not possible to swim.

That's what I can think of for right now.  I will say I love the story and voice acting - but it seems they pumped 80% of their money into that and the GAME is somewhat of an afterthought.  It's not bad, but for the money and hype put into it - for me it falls pretty flat.

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"only a minor inconvenience for most"

So lets add it all up shall we  only a minor inconvenience for most x 6 + but who cares if its not possible + Not a point of my concern +  a min game = it sucks

I didnt pre order and im not in beta.......thanks for the info, no go mojo here!

Who wants to be "Not buy this game" and sit with me and point and laugh at those who do

"Their is a sucker born every min"