Originally posted by VirusDancer

Originally posted by fivoroth

Why would anyone need a talent "calculator" for this? I can write it down and do all the calculations in like 10 sec. It's super easy with the new system.

Three choices per tier.  Six tiers.  Some might point to that meaning you have 729 possibilities.

3x3x3x3x3x3...

You're spending 6 points though.  It was 41 pts even with the limited 31 before you could hit a second tree with Cata.

 

A lot of the talents are meant for PvP or PvE, while others are role specific like tanking/healing... so those 729 possibilies boil down to a number of actual builds that will be mostly chosen to be countable on one hand.

Originally posted by fivoroth

Originally posted by WhiteLantern

Just to give an example of the new "choices": a level 45 hunter can choose between 3 talents that are tied to Disengage. As a BM hunter, I never once used Disengage. Not. Once.

 

You never used Disengage? lol? No, wait! Are you serious??

 

Serious as a heart attack. My pet could easily hold aggro on 3-4 mobs if he needed to, so I rarely ever saw melee combat. Drop a trap or trigger a stun if it came to it. It rarely did. And I didn't PvP after the honor change that took away the old titles, so I didn't need it to float away from the lumbermill or whatever the cool trick was.

Originally posted by Coolit

Very underwhelmed by the warlock talents, seriously disappointed. Bliz may try to say this will give us more choice in the end but the fact is they only did this because of the balance issues caused by adding another class. 

I agree.

Warlocks have it the worst out of all the trees previewed. 

Originally posted by Hoplites

Originally posted by Coolit

Very underwhelmed by the warlock talents, seriously disappointed. Bliz may try to say this will give us more choice in the end but the fact is they only did this because of the balance issues caused by adding another class. 

I agree.

Warlocks have it the worst out of all the trees previewed. 

But many of us know GC pours himself a fresh glass of Lock Tears each morning to get his day started...

...how long ago did he say that?  Warlock tears...nom, nom, nom, nom.  Still pisses me off.

Originally posted by VirusDancer

Originally posted by Hoplites

Originally posted by Coolit

Very underwhelmed by the warlock talents, seriously disappointed. Bliz may try to say this will give us more choice in the end but the fact is they only did this because of the balance issues caused by adding another class. 

I agree.

Warlocks have it the worst out of all the trees previewed. 

But many of us know GC pours himself a fresh glass of Lock Tears each morning to get his day started...

...how long ago did he say that?  Warlock tears...nom, nom, nom, nom.  Still pisses me off.

Not to mention the fact that warriors are treated like the red headed step-child. Hell, they probably get beat MORE than the step-child!

After perusing the 'trees', I can honestly say that I'll never be going back to WoW. What a fucking joke.

*Spits on Blizzard*

As mentioned in some of the other threads on it, it is kind of funny (in that stubbing your toe, falling down the stairs, and forgetting all about stubbing your toe sort of way) - in looking at the various items that you have right now that are going to be level 90 talents.

Another reason for the mass exodus from Wow.  Get ready for many server consolidations next year :)).

Originally posted by fivoroth

You never used Disengage? lol? No, wait! Are you serious??

This is MMORPG.com, most of these doods spend their time on forums hyping up the next big thing and hating on WoW. 

Originally posted by Mellkor

Originally posted by Mistou

anyone else see this talent calculator and want to throw up a little

Yes,

 

It quite literally made me throw up a little.

I don't understand the intention of this "talent system".

A talent calculator that counts to 6.  

Originally posted by Mistou

anyone else see this talent calculator and want to throw up a little

nope, but i wish we could use at least 2 talents from each tier

As far is the talen tree being simple: yes, it is, ultimately, rather "simple," but why does everyone always assume that "simple" = "bad?" There are games like Portal that have literally 1 weapon with 2 "attacks" (blue portal, orange portal) and only basic character movement (walk, jump, etc.), and look at all the gameplay variety and creativity that come from those games.

That aside, 3x3x3x3x3x3 is still a pretty good amount of variety by itself. Now add all the potentially different ways your choices could synergize with glyphs, and there's certainly a lot of different builds to play around with here.

I don't have any intentions of going back to WoW any time soon and didn't even play Cataclysm, but I think this is a better direction to go with talents instead of having a shit load of just filler stuff that isn't really all that exciting (which is what they set out to do with Cataclysm and ended up not doing).

A robust talent system to me is one that doesn't rely on people being cookie cutter.  Granted, this doesn't give you too many options, but I like that they're giving much harsher differences between your choices now.  You have to really make tradeoffs.

Addings talents under this system might be a lot less of a burden on the team than under the old systems, too.

And for anyone that PvPs, this should be a godsend.  They'll likely be able to balance around this much more than the old system.

Dunno - just from a former player and now outsider looking in, I think it's a lot better.  Now if they'd stop raising the level cap...

Here's some feedback to the team. How about you fix this before the year is up. I mean if we are supposed to believe the hype about your actual sub counts that means you are receiving a buttload of money and could effectively fix the talent system NOW. Go ahead, test it on the test servers long before launch of World of Pokemon. I dare you to actually be constructive. But i doubt they will do anything like fix their broken cookie cutter system because just like every other sub only game they rake in the dough but never do anything with it accept advertise. Case in point, the new wow commercial.

Ok let me get this right. A april fools joke is now being put through as real content yep WoW is out of ideas lol.

When the put out Cata I was hugely pissed off by the dumbing down and simplifiaction of the the game. The removal of weapon skills the huge reductions of talents and the straight jacketing you within one spec.   Huge choice / variety is what i love.

I never bought the line about only 1-2 , meaningful specs. To me it was a simple case of the game designers trying to give themselves an easier time with balance as the expense of the games colourful variety.

However I did try Cata for 1-2 months. But couldnt continue.

This new system is a joke. I hope it flops so bad that the people who said ok to this have to leave the industry FFXIV style.

I personally wish they would leave talents the hell alone for once. I'm tired of having to relearn how to build and how to play my character every expansion just because they don't like the way I play.

Blizz devs: "Well they figured out all the new rotations and most efficient ways to play. Time to change it up again"