I enjoyed this forum more than the NGE, what happens when the plug is pulled on SWG? I will really have now where to go. lol

On a different note any one from Ahazi here? :)

It prolly will stay, becouse more old games that dont excist anymore have still a forum here.

Asherons Call 2 as example 6 years dead game but still have its own forum section here.

Ahhh, thats nice of mmorpg.com! :)

It's also a convenient stop to criticize SOE (even more).  What better title, though shutting down soon, to pass by and kick SOE's reputation in the nuts as you visit other boards / games.  Every kick to them is well deserved.

Originally posted by Palatine

On a different note any one from Ahazi here? :)

Right here!

he he

Thank you MMORPG.COM for not removing the forums of older games~!

Originally posted by Warmaker

It's also a convenient stop to criticize SOE (even more).  What better title, though shutting down soon, to pass by and kick SOE's reputation in the nuts as you visit other boards / games.  Every kick to them is well deserved.

Lets not forget the Mistakes LA made SOE put into SW:G.

Originally posted by hipiap

Originally posted by Warmaker

It's also a convenient stop to criticize SOE (even more).  What better title, though shutting down soon, to pass by and kick SOE's reputation in the nuts as you visit other boards / games.  Every kick to them is well deserved.

Lets not forget the Mistakes LA made SOE put into SW:G.

Explain? Links? Proof?

LA wanted SOE to IMPROVE the game...SOE released the CU, then the NGE. LA gave up on SOE at that point - they lost ALL confidence that SOE was capable of improving the game and they turned to Bioware soon after.

If you have ANY evidence to support your claim, please provide it...but you don't. In fact, SOE employees have said just the complete OPPOSITE! They have stated that LA was extremely easy to work with.

You can keep thinking SOE is the 'victim', but to state it as fact is a lie.

Sory about the effort put on the game and the emplyees who tried but there is never a second chance to repair what was destroyed. When something crumble to the ground there is no repair there is a rebuild. We gamers wanted the same structure, SOE didn't and there was the big problem. The thing that worsen the situation was that the game crumbled in the blink of an eye.

There is something called trust and I don't trust SOE to repair the same thing they destroyed. I know I'm not the only one. The change wasn't accepted by the game comunity. Wanted to change the game call it SWGII or something. But still SOE didn't do it their loss and our misstrust. Hope other game developers like Blizzard and Bioware learn from this and don't mess up. Specially Blizzard whom is goin in a slow downward with a go for the casual gamer kind of approach and is starting not to work. Deadwing died on the same day of the patch, what a bummer. But Blizzard still has trust, SOE don't.

The question to answer is why SOE did not went to the roots of the game when they realize the change didn't work, because stubburness. What is working dosen't need to be repaired, but still they insist why, because stubburness.

Get this straight SOE you messed big time and there is no trust on anithing you guys build. Wan't to clean up the mess rebuild the same game, with the same mix that made it so great and maybe then the trust will slowly grow back. This millenium brought the dumbest kind of development, change to a more easy going, less stressfull kind of game and there is a problem wiht that it dosen't work all the time specially whit a game supposed to be played every day for years to come. Change the game the right way, but I sincerelly think is too late. SOE wanted something more easy to work with the game of SWG they got it no players.

Originally posted by TUX426

Explain? Links? Proof?

LA wanted SOE to IMPROVE the game...SOE released the CU, then the NGE. LA gave up on SOE at that point - they lost ALL confidence that SOE was capable of improving the game and they turned to Bioware soon after.

If you have ANY evidence to support your claim, please provide it...but you don't. In fact, SOE employees have said just the complete OPPOSITE! They have stated that LA was extremely easy to work with.

You can keep thinking SOE is the 'victim', but to state it as fact is a lie.

This post tells us that the SWG forum will be up for years.

MMORPG wont close the forum down as long as people are posting in it and it seems like SWG vets still have many unsolved issues. ;)

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by TUX426

Explain? Links? Proof?

LA wanted SOE to IMPROVE the game...SOE released the CU, then the NGE. LA gave up on SOE at that point - they lost ALL confidence that SOE was capable of improving the game and they turned to Bioware soon after.

If you have ANY evidence to support your claim, please provide it...but you don't. In fact, SOE employees have said just the complete OPPOSITE! They have stated that LA was extremely easy to work with.

You can keep thinking SOE is the 'victim', but to state it as fact is a lie.

This post tells us that the SWG forum will be up for years.

MMORPG wont close the forum down as long as people are posting in it and it seems like SWG vets still have many unsolved issues. ;)

After December 15th, All those who have played SWG (including those that are currently playing until then) will have 'Vet' status.

Judging by history it will stay open and have a few poster's conversing about the "good old days" and life will go on

Originally posted by laserit

Judging by history it will stay open and have a few poster's conversing about the "good old days" and life will go on

I agree. SWG gave me the best experiences I have ever had in an MMO. I have moved on to other MMO's since I left, some better than others, but SWG will always hold a special place in my heart.

Originally posted by TUX426

Explain? Links? Proof?

LA wanted SOE to IMPROVE the game...SOE released the CU, then the NGE. LA gave up on SOE at that point - they lost ALL confidence that SOE was capable of improving the game and they turned to Bioware soon after.

If you have ANY evidence to support your claim, please provide it...but you don't. In fact, SOE employees have said just the complete OPPOSITE! They have stated that LA was extremely easy to work with.

You can keep thinking SOE is the 'victim', but to state it as fact is a lie.

The Reverse is true....do you have links or proof that Everything in the CU and the NGE was Only the Fault of SOE?

No...you don't.

The CURB was needed for Many Reasons....and the Crafting Professions, Politician and Pilot were not the reasons.

LA told SOE to do something that would result in Higher Sub's. SOE went and did what was presumed to be what was needed...RE the NGE.  The Golden ring that LA was chasing was the WoW sub numbers...which everyone that had half a brain knew were not ever possible with any type of Niche Market MMO.

EvE and WoW are anomolies in the MMORPG market.

What it boils down to mister Former SW:G Senator Tux (as I recall) is that SOE isn't the Only Place to put the Blame.

LA owns most of it for causing SOE development to F up the game we all loved (regardless of the Era we played it in).

Originally posted by hipiap

Originally posted by TUX426

Explain? Links? Proof?

LA wanted SOE to IMPROVE the game...SOE released the CU, then the NGE. LA gave up on SOE at that point - they lost ALL confidence that SOE was capable of improving the game and they turned to Bioware soon after.

If you have ANY evidence to support your claim, please provide it...but you don't. In fact, SOE employees have said just the complete OPPOSITE! They have stated that LA was extremely easy to work with.

You can keep thinking SOE is the 'victim', but to state it as fact is a lie.

 

The Reverse is true....do you have links or proof that Everything in the CU and the NGE was Only the Fault of SOE?

 

No...you don't.

The CURB was needed for Many Reasons....and the Crafting Professions, Politician and Pilot were not the reasons.

LA told SOE to do something that would result in Higher Sub's. SOE went and did what was presumed to be what was needed...RE the NGE.  The Golden ring that LA was chasing was the WoW sub numbers...which everyone that had half a brain knew were not ever possible with any type of Niche Market MMO.

EvE and WoW are anomolies in the MMORPG market.

What it boils down to mister Former SW:G Senator Tux (as I recall) is that SOE isn't the Only Place to put the Blame.

 

LA owns most of it for causing SOE development to F up the game we all loved (regardless of the Era we played it in).

No. The reverse is NOT true. SOE was the DEVELOPER, LA was the license holder.

Google former SOE employee comments on the topic and you'll find the truth...in fact, I believe it was Dundee (Jeff Freeman) here on THIS forum who stated that LA's was GREAT to work with.

Here's MY proof:

“Is it hard to develop a game such SWG with so much interferences from Lucasarts? ”

Lucasarts was the most pleasant IP owner I have ever worked with. Professional, fast, concise, and willing to bend over backwards to make sure we could do what we wanted to do.

Plus, all of the liason’s we had on their end went out of their way to streamline the process.

Very positive relationship all-around.

Lucas Arts may have said to SOE "Hey, what can we do to get more subs?" or "Do what you need to to increase subs", but that does NOT place the blame for things like "zombies" (SOE admitted idea), flying pink Ewoks with purple hearts or 8+ years of unaddressed bugs at the feet of Lucas Arts. LA's should have been disappointed in the games subscription numbers - SOE should have been too...but SOE has the ultimate blame for ALL of SWGs failures because THEY controlled it ALL.

SOE lied about NUMEROUS things over the years mate. SOE acted slow, SOE didn't care, SOE failed to listen to the community, SOE told us "reading wasn't fun", SOE told us we wanted to "kill, loot, repeat", SOE pulled Devs off SWG to go work on other games (DCUO), SOE is the company that was willing to give up all their current customers for the ones they didn't have (W0Ws)...Lucas Arts made very few comments re the game over the 8+ years.

Star Wars is NOT "niche"...Star Wars is the most successful IP of ALL TIME! Star Wars sells by name alone (proof being episodes 1-3 :P ) .

You're free to believe SOE is great and all good mate...but their record speaks for itself.

No worries.  It will remain a last bastion of SWG fans who have seen their world turned dark.  Rally, I say... Rally.  We can bring it back!!! There is hope... somewhere... plz...

Originally posted by Kazara

Originally posted by laserit

Judging by history it will stay open and have a few poster's conversing about the "good old days" and life will go on

I agree. SWG gave me the best experiences I have ever had in an MMO. I have moved on to other MMO's since I left, some better than others, but SWG will always hold a special place in my heart.

What Kazara said!

Best experiences ever in an MMO by faaaar, and a very special place in my heart!

Sad to see the game shut down, even though I didn't play it since NGE..

Originally posted by Palatine

I enjoyed this forum more than the NGE, what happens when the plug is pulled on SWG? I will really have now where to go. lol

On a different note any one from Ahazi here? :)

That does not sound like a compliment.

At least if there is logic involved lol.