Originally posted by IAmMMO

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

Originally posted by Distopia

TBH I think forum asshats should be banned from services be it the boards or the games. But that's just me.

So, i spend 200 bucks on games, and because i say a few harsh words to some weak willed person, maybe yourself, i should be banned from playing them, not just banned from the forums, something that is non essencial and optional but banned from the product i paid for?

 

That is a good business decision, im sure you will retain repeat customers with that policy.

 

This a great example of a immature person who doesn't get it.  Why do you need to insult somebody for having a different opinion? You wouldn't go round and reply with harsh words to every stranger that struck of a covo with you and had a different opinion during a day out in real life would you? if you did you wouldn't get very far before your behaviour is called out, why do it online? The product you PAYED for comes with a TOS, you may be a bit young to know how the real world works,but just because you handed over money you are bound by agreements to still use it. Welcome to the real world kid.

And you are prime example of a closed-minded person, who also, doesnt get it.

Sometimes forum discussion does get a bit heated, this topic being a good example of it. But if my opinion differs from yours, and that get you a bit annoyed, you may report that person on their forums, and make up some story of why the post is offensive to you... and on the off chance that it gets taken seriously, that person you just reported gets banned for say.. Trolling. You effectively just cost that person the money he spent on his games.

When did policing public opinion become acceptable to you? I live in a democracy, and I would like to think the Internet is also a form of democracy to express my opinions on.

Originally posted by Distopia

TBH I think forum asshats should be banned from services be it the boards or the games. But that's just me.

nope, not just U, exactly same feelings, end of topic for me :)

People are getting infractions and suspensions/bans for saying as much as "you are wrong".

Supposedly you hurted someons feelings and he reported you.

BW SWTOR CS seems to be put up of people that dont speak English very well, or cant understand what is being written so any contact with them ends up in material that would shame Monthy Pythons Flying Circus. "And now, something completely different"? Whaaa?

So unless you go on forums praising the game and saying everyone is right no matter what they say you might as well not go.

All rainbows and unicorns, everyone is right and theres no wrongs. :)

Wont this just lead to more piracy?

I mean if I payed for a game and EA suddenly banns me from all of the ones I own I would download a crack, and stop buying EA games.

Sure, EA forums are bad and most people getting banned probably deserves it, but closing down all games for being stupid sounds unfair, especially since different moderator have different opinions about what should ban you.

The point is not that this forum is a lot better than EAs (it is) but that the whole being banned thing often vary from case to case.

Sometimes a comment will get the poster banned, sometimes not and since mods are humans as the rest of us some will be unfairly banned and some people should be banned but isn't.

Just another reason to stay way of EAs forum, and for none MMOs that needs constant internet connection sucks.

Originally posted by mikahr

People are getting infractions and suspensions/bans for saying as much as "you are wrong".

Supposedly you hurted someons feelings and he reported you.

BW SWTOR CS seems to be put up of people that dont speak English very well, or cant understand what is being written so any contact with them ends up in material that would shame Monthy Pythons Flying Circus. "And now, something completely different"? Whaaa?

So unless you go on forums praising the game and saying everyone is right no matter what they say you might as well not go.

All rainbows and unicorns, everyone is right and theres no wrongs. :)

    I can't help but believe this is either purposely being over-inflated or just a flat out lie.  I have had "heated" arguements on the forums MANY times and never gotten banned or even a warning for it.  I have even had a few people tell me they are reporting me and still nothing.  The difference I think is that I almost always try to leave the immature crap out of an arguement.  Things like ohhh . . . "e-peen" or "teabagging" or any number of adolescent things. 

    In my opinion it seems the mods on the SWTOR site go out of there way to read what has been written and "do there job".  If you want to see heavy handed Mods.  Go to the City Of Heroes forums.  Geez, those guys ban people for sneezing (yes, that was an exxageration).

I can only shake my head to some of the comments here.

Before I get punished for anything I'd like the chance to state my case. If I remember correctly, this is my right as a citizen in democratic countries. No punishment without prior trial.

If I buy something in a store, pay for it and then insult a customer or employee, I might get thrown out of the store and might get a ban, however, they won't take away the goods that you already paid for. I am buying a license to play a game (remember, we are not buying the game itself anymore) not a license to post in forums. If i troll in forums it has nothing to do with my right to play a game, especially single-player games!

Just because something is technically possible doesn't mean it's right!

The behave-or-get-banned mentality displayed by some users here is exactly what will turn democratic societies into super-surveillance post-fascist regimes. Why are people so eager to hand over their personal rights?

It is exactly this conduct of EA and their EULA for Origin why I did not register for the SW:TOR beta events, nor will I buy any game from EA anymore.

Originally posted by GMan3

Originally posted by mikahr

People are getting infractions and suspensions/bans for saying as much as "you are wrong".

Supposedly you hurted someons feelings and he reported you.

BW SWTOR CS seems to be put up of people that dont speak English very well, or cant understand what is being written so any contact with them ends up in material that would shame Monthy Pythons Flying Circus. "And now, something completely different"? Whaaa?

So unless you go on forums praising the game and saying everyone is right no matter what they say you might as well not go.

All rainbows and unicorns, everyone is right and theres no wrongs. :)

    I can't help but believe this is either purposely being over-inflated or just a flat out lie.  I have had "heated" arguements on the forums MANY times and never gotten banned or even a warning for it.  I have even had a few people tell me they are reporting me and still nothing.  The difference I think is that I almost always try to leave the immature crap out of an arguement.  Things like ohhh . . . "e-peen" or "teabagging" or any number of adolescent things. 

    In my opinion it seems the mods on the SWTOR site go out of there way to read what has been written and "do there job".  If you want to see heavy handed Mods.  Go to the City Of Heroes forums.  Geez, those guys ban people for sneezing (yes, that was an exxageration).

Theres something called good moderation and then theres bad moderation. The consistency of SWTOR forums moderation is null. I called people wrong few times and nothing, then bam, infractions out of the blue other times.

They dont go out of the their since they cant give a coherent answer to why exactly was infraction given but repeat same dumb answer over and over again. Answer being "read the rules".

So no, i wont have my account banned for unknown mystical reasons, i wont even play SWTOR or EA games so i dont even have an interest, just informing people how it is and to best stay out of forums because you can get banned for extreme trivialities and cant even find out why *shrug*

Originally posted by mikahr

Originally posted by GMan3

Originally posted by mikahr

People are getting infractions and suspensions/bans for saying as much as "you are wrong".

Supposedly you hurted someons feelings and he reported you.

BW SWTOR CS seems to be put up of people that dont speak English very well, or cant understand what is being written so any contact with them ends up in material that would shame Monthy Pythons Flying Circus. "And now, something completely different"? Whaaa?

So unless you go on forums praising the game and saying everyone is right no matter what they say you might as well not go.

All rainbows and unicorns, everyone is right and theres no wrongs. :)

    I can't help but believe this is either purposely being over-inflated or just a flat out lie.  I have had "heated" arguements on the forums MANY times and never gotten banned or even a warning for it.  I have even had a few people tell me they are reporting me and still nothing.  The difference I think is that I almost always try to leave the immature crap out of an arguement.  Things like ohhh . . . "e-peen" or "teabagging" or any number of adolescent things. 

    In my opinion it seems the mods on the SWTOR site go out of there way to read what has been written and "do there job".  If you want to see heavy handed Mods.  Go to the City Of Heroes forums.  Geez, those guys ban people for sneezing (yes, that was an exxageration).

Theres something called good moderation and then theres bad moderation. The consistency of SWTOR forums moderation is null. I called people wrong few times and nothing, then bam, infractions out of the blue other times.

They dont go out of the their since they cant give a coherent answer to why exactly was infraction given but repeat same dumb answer over and over again. Answer being "read the rules".

So no, i wont have my account banned for unknown mystical reasons, i wont even play SWTOR or EA games so i dont even have an interest, just informing people how it is and to best stay out of forums because you can get banned for extreme trivialities and cant even find out why *shrug*

    Meh, your loss.  I'll enjoy the heck out of both and just not act like a complete jerk on the forums.  Problem solved AND I still get to have fun.

Originally posted by Fuerchtegott

I can only shake my head to some of the comments here.

 

Before I get punished for anything I'd like the chance to state my case. If I remember correctly, this is my right as a citizen in democratic countries. No punishment without prior trial.

If I buy something in a store, pay for it and then insult a customer or employee, I might get thrown out of the store and might get a ban, however, they won't take away the goods that you already paid for. I am buying a license to play a game (remember, we are not buying the game itself anymore) not a license to post in forums. If i troll in forums it has nothing to do with my right to play a game, especially single-player games!

Just because something is technically possible doesn't mean it's right!

The behave-or-get-banned mentality displayed by some users here is exactly what will turn democratic societies into super-surveillance post-fascist regimes. Why are people so eager to hand over their personal rights?

It is exactly this conduct of EA and their EULA for Origin why I did not register for the SW:TOR beta events, nor will I buy any game from EA anymore.

 First, the swtor forums are not a democracy they're the property of Bioware. Second the entire issue is a fabrication. There's nothing true about any of the OP's assertions. It's a bunch of crap.

Originally posted by Fuerchtegott

I can only shake my head to some of the comments here.

 

Before I get punished for anything I'd like the chance to state my case. If I remember correctly, this is my right as a citizen in democratic countries. No punishment without prior trial.

If I buy something in a store, pay for it and then insult a customer or employee, I might get thrown out of the store and might get a ban, however, they won't take away the goods that you already paid for. I am buying a license to play a game (remember, we are not buying the game itself anymore) not a license to post in forums. If i troll in forums it has nothing to do with my right to play a game, especially single-player games!

Just because something is technically possible doesn't mean it's right!

The behave-or-get-banned mentality displayed by some users here is exactly what will turn democratic societies into super-surveillance post-fascist regimes. Why are people so eager to hand over their personal rights?

It is exactly this conduct of EA and their EULA for Origin why I did not register for the SW:TOR beta events, nor will I buy any game from EA anymore.

Just be careful when picking the site to troll on, if you know that trolling on an offcial forum can cost you every EA game, why do it? Isn't it your own fault then, and not us? us who appearently just went from agreeing that not behaving on the internet, be it on a forum or in-game, should have consequences, to being sheep who follow the government blindly, or illuminati sympathizers.

All I have to say is "Be careful, we're watching you!"  /<o>\

 
When you travel to a foreign country you must abide by that countries laws and edicts or face the judicial system of said country. When you buy a game, and accept the TOS and EULA of a game you are basically entering their little country and saying to them, "I promise to abide by your laws while I am here." It sucks when the law enforcement agencies (read mods) of said country are corrupt to be sure, and being imprisoned (read banned) for some bullshite charge that they don't have to tell you about is really crappy, but you did agree to enter their little country, and to abide by their rules.

I would love to see what would happen to a game like WoW if they started banning all the forum trolls not only from the forums, but from the game as well. IMO, would make the game a helluva lot better place to be.

Of course, I do think that banning you from playing (we'll continue with the blizz reference here) Diablo 3 and Starcraft for being a knucklehead in WoW is a bit extreme, and I would cry the salty tears of a bitter old man should that happen to me, but again, their little country, their laws, and I did agree to em when I loaded said games.

Basically, don't be a wenis. That will be tough I know, all the internet tough guys, teenagers who think it's cool to smack talk cause their parents aren't around (of course we all remember that story), college aged buffoons who feel the need too, almost like the teenagers, to talk smack cause mommy and daddy aren't around, greasy old men who feel the need cause mommy and daddy never come to the basement anyway, will all just have to play nice, and be respectful on said companies/games forums. You'll actually have to resist the urge to use some barrens chat, find ways to link skills and or items into a thinly (sometimes not so) sexual context, etc. etc.

Can't resist that urge? Make your own forums, blog about it, use guild/clan/corp chat, do whatever, but keep it out of the general games/forums populations face, and for the most part, you should be fine.

Its not hard to avoid official forums and if the official forums are too uptight for a large part of the community they will go elsewhere. EQ2Flames.com comes to mind.

I really don't have sympathy for someone getting all kinds of banned for acting unruly/against the rules on an official forum. It's like trying to mug someone inside a police station.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

 First, the swtor forums are not a democracy they're the property of Bioware. Second the entire issue is a fabrication. There's nothing true about any of the OP's assertions. It's a bunch of crap.

You do realise it's illegal for a company to take away a consumer's products like this, don't you? That's what it's like in a democracy. You might not like it, but it's illegal for companies to do some things.

Secondly, I'd like to see some proof that what I'm saying is a bunch of crap. We've got a bunch of articles on the first page proving what I've said ISN'T a "bunch of crap". Where's your proof?

Originally posted by Blasphim

 
When you travel to a foreign country you must abide by that countries laws and edicts or face the judicial system of said country. When you buy a game, and accept the TOS and EULA of a game you are basically entering their little country and saying to them, "I promise to abide by your laws while I am here." It sucks when the law enforcement agencies (read mods) of said country are corrupt to be sure, and being imprisoned (read banned) for some bullshite charge that they don't have to tell you about is really crappy, but you did agree to enter their little country, and to abide by their rules.

Funny how BioWare / EA is doing something pretty much illegal, isn't it? It's not like their EULAs could get torn apart in a court case any day of the week, is it? In the UK, they try to get you to sign away your statutory rights, and it's not like THAT'S illegal under EU law. :D

Originally posted by ArEf

Originally posted by zymurgeist

 First, the swtor forums are not a democracy they're the property of Bioware. Second the entire issue is a fabrication. There's nothing true about any of the OP's assertions. It's a bunch of crap.

You do realise it's illegal for a company to take away a consumer's products like this, don't you? That's what it's like in a democracy. You might not like it, but it's illegal for companies to do some things.

Secondly, I'd like to see some proof that what I'm saying is a bunch of crap. We've got a bunch of articles on the first page proving what I've said ISN'T a "bunch of crap". Where's your proof?

No it is not illegal. You need to spend more time on reading TOS/EULA  than posting here. They can take away your gaming rights as they see fit.

Originally posted by Supersoups

Originally posted by ArEf

Originally posted by zymurgeist

 First, the swtor forums are not a democracy they're the property of Bioware. Second the entire issue is a fabrication. There's nothing true about any of the OP's assertions. It's a bunch of crap.

You do realise it's illegal for a company to take away a consumer's products like this, don't you? That's what it's like in a democracy. You might not like it, but it's illegal for companies to do some things.

Secondly, I'd like to see some proof that what I'm saying is a bunch of crap. We've got a bunch of articles on the first page proving what I've said ISN'T a "bunch of crap". Where's your proof?

No it is not illegal. You need to spend more time on reading TOS/EULA  than posting here. They can take away your gaming rights as they see fit.

Oh, lord. Look at my edit.

EULAs are illegal in every sense of the word, in every country in the Western world. They, essentially, ask you to sign away your rights as a consumer and to instead... Suck their penises, I guess? If I made you sign something that required you to be my slave for the rest of your natural life, would that be legal? You signed it, clearly you should abide by it!

Originally posted by ArEf

Originally posted by Supersoups

Originally posted by ArEf

Originally posted by zymurgeist

 First, the swtor forums are not a democracy they're the property of Bioware. Second the entire issue is a fabrication. There's nothing true about any of the OP's assertions. It's a bunch of crap.

You do realise it's illegal for a company to take away a consumer's products like this, don't you? That's what it's like in a democracy. You might not like it, but it's illegal for companies to do some things.

Secondly, I'd like to see some proof that what I'm saying is a bunch of crap. We've got a bunch of articles on the first page proving what I've said ISN'T a "bunch of crap". Where's your proof?

No it is not illegal. You need to spend more time on reading TOS/EULA  than posting here. They can take away your gaming rights as they see fit.

Oh, lord. Look at my edit.

EULAs are illegal in every sense of the word, in every country in the Western world. They, essentially, ask you to sign away your rights as a consumer and to instead... Suck their penises, I guess? If I made you sign something that required you to be my slave for the rest of your natural life, would that be legal? You signed it, clearly you should abide by it!

They are illegal because some random guy 'Aref' on forum said so? yeah right.

Originally posted by GMan3

Originally posted by mikahr

Originally posted by GMan3

Originally posted by mikahr

People are getting infractions and suspensions/bans for saying as much as "you are wrong".

Supposedly you hurted someons feelings and he reported you.

BW SWTOR CS seems to be put up of people that dont speak English very well, or cant understand what is being written so any contact with them ends up in material that would shame Monthy Pythons Flying Circus. "And now, something completely different"? Whaaa?

So unless you go on forums praising the game and saying everyone is right no matter what they say you might as well not go.

All rainbows and unicorns, everyone is right and theres no wrongs. :)

    I can't help but believe this is either purposely being over-inflated or just a flat out lie.  I have had "heated" arguements on the forums MANY times and never gotten banned or even a warning for it.  I have even had a few people tell me they are reporting me and still nothing.  The difference I think is that I almost always try to leave the immature crap out of an arguement.  Things like ohhh . . . "e-peen" or "teabagging" or any number of adolescent things. 

    In my opinion it seems the mods on the SWTOR site go out of there way to read what has been written and "do there job".  If you want to see heavy handed Mods.  Go to the City Of Heroes forums.  Geez, those guys ban people for sneezing (yes, that was an exxageration).

Theres something called good moderation and then theres bad moderation. The consistency of SWTOR forums moderation is null. I called people wrong few times and nothing, then bam, infractions out of the blue other times.

They dont go out of the their since they cant give a coherent answer to why exactly was infraction given but repeat same dumb answer over and over again. Answer being "read the rules".

So no, i wont have my account banned for unknown mystical reasons, i wont even play SWTOR or EA games so i dont even have an interest, just informing people how it is and to best stay out of forums because you can get banned for extreme trivialities and cant even find out why *shrug*

    Meh, your loss.  I'll enjoy the heck out of both and just not act like a complete jerk on the forums.  Problem solved AND I still get to have fun.

Theres no problem with banning complete jerks. Problem lies in banning people not being complete jerks aka trivial reasons. Aka bad moderation. That in this case can prevent you from accessing your games that have nothing to do with those forums.

In fact it was so silly that people started putting "you have been given an infraction. Reason: posting" in their signatures.

Originally posted by Supersoups

They are illegal because some random guy 'Aref' on forum said so? yeah right.

No, they're illegal because they ask you to sign away your fundamental rights as a consumer.

EDIT: Well, that's ONE reason they're illegal. There's also asking people to sign a contract without a lawyer present, selling someone a product and THEN asking them to sign a contract related to that product and writing something in legalese and asking someone to sign it without understanding what it means.

Originally posted by ArEf

Originally posted by zymurgeist

 First, the swtor forums are not a democracy they're the property of Bioware. Second the entire issue is a fabrication. There's nothing true about any of the OP's assertions. It's a bunch of crap.

You do realise it's illegal for a company to take away a consumer's products like this, don't you? That's what it's like in a democracy. You might not like it, but it's illegal for companies to do some things.

Secondly, I'd like to see some proof that what I'm saying is a bunch of crap. We've got a bunch of articles on the first page proving what I've said ISN'T a "bunch of crap". Where's your proof?

Lol, illegal?

When you install a game YOU agree to follow their rules, if you do not agree, then don't sign! Simple as that.

Don't you think if it was illegal, huge game companies would pick another way to do things, if it was illegal doing it the way they are, then they'd risk lawsuits and huge fines, and as soon as one guy beats the game company, more would surely follow.

You really think they'd risk that? come on, be realistic, and please stop pulling facts out of your ***.

Originally posted by Beazt

Lol, illegal?

When you install a game YOU agree to follow their rules, if you do not agree, then don't sign! Simple as that.

Don't you think if it was illegal, huge game companies would pick another way to do things, if it was illegal doing it the way they are, then they'd risk lawsuits and huge fines, and as soon as one guy beats the game company, more would surely follow.

You really think they'd risk that? come on, be realistic, and please stop pulling facts out of your ***.

ITT: Uneducated people who don't know their consumer rights trying to sign away other people's.

EDIT: By the way, yes. If they got taken to a court case, they'd get raped everywhere if the guy actually made it to the end. You don't understand, however, how much more money that company has than that one guy. You'd need a large scale court case and STILL hope to god you'd manage it before running out of money.

There's a lot of reasons for them to do it this way, and the main reason is a general lack of any specific laws covering software and digital goods. They're currently covered under non-specific consumer goods laws. Once they start to get specific laws, companies will just go, "We've always done it this way, why should we change it?" After they get that, THAT'S when they start cracking down.