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Originally posted by Comnitus

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Originally posted by ArcheAge

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Originally posted by lizardbones

A recurring theme I keep hearing is, "I want to see where the story goes." This is the first MMO where it could actually be said that the story is important to the game play. You could almost say the story takes precedence over the game play.

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Erm so you have not played LOTRO then?

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That's one of the reasons I enjoyed LotRO - that and the fact that the world felt alive, through a myriad of little details.

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I like this website, but it seriously has the worst community ever.

Originally posted by lizardbones

 

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Originally posted by Comnitus

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Originally posted by ArcheAge

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Originally posted by lizardbones

A recurring theme I keep hearing is, "I want to see where the story goes." This is the first MMO where it could actually be said that the story is important to the game play. You could almost say the story takes precedence over the game play.

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Erm so you have not played LOTRO then?

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That's one of the reasons I enjoyed LotRO - that and the fact that the world felt alive, through a myriad of little details.

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I never played the game. I'm going by what I've heard people say. I haven't really heard that about LotR. It could be even more true for LotR than it is for SW:ToR and people just don't talk about it as much or I've avoided most of the LotR threads.

I would be interested in hearing the opinion of someone who's played both games on how they present their stories.

 

I haven't played TOR yet, but I'm willing to bet that Lotro doesn't even come close to the same level of story. Yes there are story arcs in the game, but they're not really all that much better than what you find in WoW. Better yes, but the difference just isn't that big. I love the look and feel of the world in Lotro, but questing isn't really that much better than many other MMOs, and I'm a guy who loves questing more than anything else.

Originally posted by lizardbones

 

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Originally posted by Comnitus

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Originally posted by ArcheAge

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Originally posted by lizardbones

A recurring theme I keep hearing is, "I want to see where the story goes." This is the first MMO where it could actually be said that the story is important to the game play. You could almost say the story takes precedence over the game play.

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Erm so you have not played LOTRO then?

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That's one of the reasons I enjoyed LotRO - that and the fact that the world felt alive, through a myriad of little details.

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I never played the game. I'm going by what I've heard people say. I haven't really heard that about LotR. It could be even more true for LotR than it is for SW:ToR and people just don't talk about it as much or I've avoided most of the LotR threads.

I would be interested in hearing the opinion of someone who's played both games on how they present their stories.

 

I've played both games, and played LOTRO for a few years off and on.  I'm definitely a big fan of that game, and until I had a chance to play SWTOR, I felt that Lotro was the most immersive themepark MMO I've ever played.  They didn't have a personal story woven throughout the game like TOR does, but they had an epic questline that basically followed the path of the Fellowship from the moment the Nazgul began searching for the ring, through the creation of the Fellowship, and obviously all the way through the events in The Two Towers.  Your characer played a small role in that epic questline through most of it, doing things "behind the scenes" that very loosely tied into the actual Ring story.  And ocassionally, you are given important missions that directly help some important figures in the lore, including the members of the Fellowship themselves.  However, although the story was delivered well and very engrossing, you were always just a perimeter figure in the overall storyline---the guy behind the scenes, always a few steps behind the fellowship and never quite getting the spotlight on you.  

Tor, on the other hand, puts you front and center right away.  You are a hero the moment you talk to your first npc, and you just feel more apart of the world and what is going on in it than you did in LOTRO, simply because in LOTRO the story was about the fellowship, and you helping them out.  In SWTOR, the story is about you and you alone.  Now, add to that the actual voiceovers in terms of delivery, the choices you make during your quests that determine how you will be viewed by npcs and companions, as well as what options are available to you throughout the game, and you are basically taking what LOTRO did well and improving on it because you have ultimate control over how your story plays out, where in LOTRO it's always going  to play out the same way, and you are never going to be the central player in that story.  

Originally posted by Gormok

 

Well since you know how a MMO should be made and you have all of this insight, how about you go out and make a better one. It amazes me how some people hate to see others enjoy something that they do not like, you don't like the game that's fine. I am sure some of the other upcoming games will appease you or maybe not who knows.

 

So, by your logic, people are not allowed to say that a movie, game or whatever is bad unless they can make a better one themselves? Really?

People are perfectly allowed to say something that they feel is bad, is bad. I think Bioware will survive...

Originally posted by rt33

Yeah it's odd that coming closer to site ads, magazine ads time WHOA!! errrrrrrr i 'm mean launch, many whom were uninterested or others whom didn't like it in the least are all of a sudden having a change of heart??? Well that is until ad revenue stops then the real opinions come back into focus.

Take what you have heard from different source's (before ad time) into consideration. You notice it on this site, massively take Ruby as an example, all of a sudden she's TOTALLY on BOARD, should have heard what she had to say before, wow.

I remember buying a few games based on magazine previews, OMG it's looking amazing ohhh baby, I buy game, sucks, then the review issue show up a month or two later and it's a crap score and they absolutely hate the POS game???? WTF? this isn't what you said two issues ago bro. lol

I could have pre-ordered skyrim and saved some money, but i didn't, i bought it the day after release, i read enough player feedback to know this is a must buy, no regrets. Sure i could have saved a few bucks but over the years I'm fairly certain I've saved hundreds if not thousands in taking the wait it out for the real reviews, player feedback.

There has been a hell of a lot of regular people giving their impressions of what they have experienced, where have you been?

The majority of those seemed to like what they experienced.

When more impressions will be provided by players in the course of the upcoming weeks and most of them prove to be positive, will you accept it then, or will you ignore them with just yet another reason, and say something like 'you should play longer, just wait for a few months then it'll be different'? (which btw isn't something you did with Skyrim)

The bottomline is very simple, people have different gaming needs and preferences: one person likes this style and type of gaming, another likes that style and type of gaming, and then you have a third that likes both styles and so on. There'll be people who'll be having an awesome time and hell of a blast with SWTOR just like gamers did with WoW and LotrO and RIft and so on, and there'll be people who feel they're having no fun at all, just like happened with former MMO's as well.

SWTOR doesn't cater to all styles, so you'll definitely have people who just don't enjoy it what SWTOR has to offer, just as you'll have people who enjoy the set of features that SWTOR does have to offer.

Originally posted by ShaunJ1380

I like this website, but it seriously has the worst community ever.

It's just that there's a lot of MMO homeless people here on this site, people who're frustrated, jaded, burnt out on MMO's, or who aren't really MMO omnivores in that they actually are unable to enjoy themselves with 99% of the available MMO's and only like a mere few MMO's that are around. Personally I like to see a number of them as 'MMO grinches', sort of a 'bah, humbug' mindset

Originally posted by MMO.Maverick

Originally posted by rt33

Yeah it's odd that coming closer to site ads, magazine ads time WHOA!! errrrrrrr i 'm mean launch, many whom were uninterested or others whom didn't like it in the least are all of a sudden having a change of heart??? Well that is until ad revenue stops then the real opinions come back into focus.

Take what you have heard from different source's (before ad time) into consideration. You notice it on this site, massively take Ruby as an example, all of a sudden she's TOTALLY on BOARD, should have heard what she had to say before, wow.

I remember buying a few games based on magazine previews, OMG it's looking amazing ohhh baby, I buy game, sucks, then the review issue show up a month or two later and it's a crap score and they absolutely hate the POS game???? WTF? this isn't what you said two issues ago bro. lol

I could have pre-ordered skyrim and saved some money, but i didn't, i bought it the day after release, i read enough player feedback to know this is a must buy, no regrets. Sure i could have saved a few bucks but over the years I'm fairly certain I've saved hundreds if not thousands in taking the wait it out for the real reviews, player feedback.

There has been a hell of a lot of regular people giving their impressions of what they have experienced, where have you been?

The majority of those seemed to like what they experienced.

When more impressions will be provided by players in the course of the upcoming weeks and most of them prove to be positive, will you accept it then, or will you ignore them with just yet another reason, and say something like 'you should play longer, just wait for a few months then it'll be different'? (which btw isn't something you did with Skyrim)

 

The bottomline is very simple, people have different gaming needs and preferences: one person likes this style and type of gaming, another likes that style and type of gaming, and then you have a third that likes both styles and so on. There'll be people who'll be having an awesome time and hell of a blast with SWTOR just like gamers did with WoW and LotrO and RIft and so on, and there'll be people who feel they're having no fun at all, just like happened with former MMO's as well.

SWTOR doesn't cater to all styles, so you'll definitely have people who just don't enjoy it what SWTOR has to offer, just as you'll have people who enjoy the set of features that SWTOR does have to offer.

 

Originally posted by ShaunJ1380

I like this website, but it seriously has the worst community ever.

It's just that there's a lot of MMO homeless people here on this site, people who're frustrated, jaded, burnt out on MMO's, or who aren't really MMO omnivores in that they actually are unable to enjoy themselves with 99% of the available MMO's and only like a mere few MMO's that are around. Personally I like to see a number of them as 'MMO grinches', sort of a 'bah, humbug' mindset

For example on this site you have Isabelle Parsley goes from nah, to oh baby i'm totally pre-ordering. Massively check the link below, Ruby told it like it was or how she felt at least and now, well check out responses for yourself.

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/11/16/massively-speaking-episode-174/

If you linger on one site or mag you wont notice the trend, however i'm pretty sure it's that I'm a total whack job and everyone on earth all of sudden agrees that this is the most uber duber second coming game we've all been waiting for all our life's, it's perfect in every way.

I'm not saying the game is bad or good, it's an mmo the only way to know the real deal is what happens a few months after launch. Sure at first it's all OMG BABY i've found a new home, wait till the novelty wears off then we'll find out the real staying power.

It's like that episode of Spongebob were Squidward moves away, and he has a smile on his face bigger than the planet, but everyday it lowers, and lowers with the realization of what he had fantasized life would be like this way, the novelty wore off and was too much of the same thing, that's what i think will happen with all the voice acting after awhile in SWToR, eventually you'll be sitting there and go, JUST GET ON ON WITH IT MAN!! enough already with the LONG winded yaking, i just want to play. lol Kinda like the blablablabla talking in Charlie Brown. You simple become numb to the effects of fully voiced everything and pray Yoda brings an off feature.

Like i said before time will tell and I'm actually considering going ahead and getting the game for my kids for Xmas so not trying to rain on your parade bro. For some it's not their cup of tea, others it'll be a fun month or two, and for others it'll be heaven on earth.

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Game looks bad, not a true StarWars MMO :'(.

 

Animations are rigid and out of place.

 

Effects are over the top, and in some places just plain embarassing to see in a North American product.

 

Linear Hand-Held Questing, even with voiced interactions, is simply boring. Not to mention developement for new quests will take several times longer to produce because of all the different choices available, but in the end it's essentially the same outcome with a momentary "feeling" that you're actually effecting the end game goal. Needless to say the final outcome is something less desirable.

 

Arena based PvP is pathetic, and a redesign needs to be implemented. Whenever a developer allows for BOTH Open-Zone & Arena based pvp the player's focus is split causing one to become more populated in regards to the other. Leading to one audience being completely alienated over the other. Bioware, being new to MMOs, hasn't figured this out yet :(.

 

Crafting is a joke, and is completely uninspired. Allowing your companions to craft FOR YOU doesn''t make this any easier to stomach either.

 

On-Rails space combat & travel is also a MASSIVE downer. What's the title called again? PlanetWars? OH WAIT, doesn't it have "STAR" in the title indicating that HUGE SPACE BATTLES would most likely be found inside? No? My fault then :)!

 

If you loved World of Warcraft, you'll adore this game.

 

Just my two cents from being around MMOs, Alpha & Beta testing them, since 1998 :)

 

-Faded

 

ps: Please fix your damn edit-post option. It adds like 6 lines of space between each entry!

 

I couldn't disagree more.  I can't give details, but i found the game to be smooth and refreshing.  Furthermore, it did more to draw me into the game as a player (not as just another number) than any other MMO has sought to do.

I think this game will go far!

Originally posted by rt33

I'm not saying the game is bad or good, it's an mmo the only way to know the real deal is what happens a few months after launch. Sure at first it's all OMG BABY i've found a new home, wait till the novelty wears off then we'll find out the real staying power.

It's like that episode of Spongebob were Squidward moves away, and he has a smile on his face bigger than the planet, but everyday it lowers, and lowers with the realization of what he had fantasized life would be like this way, the novelty wore off and was too much of the same thing, that's what i think will happen with all the voice acting after awhile in SWToR, eventually you'll be sitting there and go, JUST GET ON ON WITH IT MAN!! enough already with the LONG winded yaking, i just want to play. lol Kinda like the blablablabla talking in Charlie Brown. You simple become numb to the effects of fully voiced everything and pray Yoda brings an off feature.

Like i said before time will tell and I'm actually considering going ahead and getting the game for my kids for Xmas so not trying to rain on your parade bro. For some it's not their cup of tea, others it'll be a fun month or two, and for others it'll be heaven on earth.

Ok, a few things:

1. People aren't allowed to change their mind? It's not as if that never happens, people changing their mind if they got a closer look at things or being able to get another play, experience different aspects of the game or just a more interesting gaming experience. People changed their mind to the negative after playing, others changed their mind to the positive after playing.

2. You were the one mentioning normal, regular players, that you don't trust sites and mags. I stated that there have been a whole lot of common people giving SWTOR a shot and posting their impressions about their gaming experiences. You were the one saying that you only trusted normal player experiences, well, there's enough of those that have been around.

3. "For some it's not their cup of tea, others it'll be a fun month or two, and for others it'll be heaven on earth."

Kinda what I've been saying all the time. Different people, different tastes, bnothing wrong with that, if SWTOR doesn't do it for some people, there's always other MMO's around - or other style of multiplayer games or singleplayer RPG games if that scratches their personal gaming needs and taste.

Originally posted by ShaunJ1380

I like this website, but it seriously has the worst community ever.

 

Just about the only comment here, I can agree with.

I'm not interested in ToR, and the Vblog actually made me less interested; not sure how that works.

I'm sure it'll be a hit though. 

Pockets' is cute!  G4 should give you a job, you've got good camera presence and a great voice.

Originally posted by Wizardry

Originally posted by erictlewis

The audio was terible, the music enough to make your ears blead.  Sorry I would rather have an article to read instead of some vidoe podcast that has a bad adio and even worse video presentation.

So question needs to be asked,is this her own vblog or does she work for some company and feeding us nothing but advertising videos?If it is her own,good job but i suggest not sounding like you are reading from a paper and give your heart felt impressions,they are much more real that way.

No I do not work for an advertising company. Everything you hear in my videos are my opinions on a video game and no one elses (well, I mean people can have the same opinion lulz XD). I have a really bad memory so I write down everything I want to address in the video (sometimes there are TONS of things!). I'll try to get better about not sounding like I am reading =) Thanks for the feedback!

I am also working on a transcript to go with future episodes.

In regards to me not liking TOR before... It's not that I didn't like it, it was just that I was skeptical. I'm skeptical of every unreleased game. And, before I have a chance to play it, I'm not going to call it "good" or "bad". I've played TOR a bit now, I think I can definitely form a first impression of it, at least for myself ~.^

Originally posted by Pokket

Originally posted by Wizardry

Originally posted by erictlewis

 

 

No I do not work for an advertising company. Everything you hear in my videos are my opinions on a video game and no one elses (well, I mean people can have the same opinion lulz XD). I have a really bad memory so I write down everything I want to address in the video (sometimes there are TONS of things!). I'll try to get better about not sounding like I am reading =) Thanks for the feedback!

I am also working on a transcript to go with future episodes.

In regards to me not liking TOR before... It's not that I didn't like it, it was just that I was skeptical. I'm skeptical of every unreleased game. And, before I have a chance to play it, I'm not going to call it "good" or "bad". I've played TOR a bit now, I think I can definitely form a first impression of it, at least for myself ~.^

You are one of the few that have talked about the combat and some of its mechanics which is a huge plus. When I go to watch video's I apriciate someone who will talk about what most others do not. I dont know if you ment to do this or not but you did and thats why people watch one persons video over someone elses. Not only quality of the video but content. Personally I cant stand video's that basically just say "OOOOH ITS SO PURTY".

She spend time to make an impression video for you to watch, and the only thing you complain about is her audio and reading skills.

Good or bad, it was a great effort.

Be grateful of what you get.

Some people just don't like seeing other people enjoying games they don't like.

honestly, gtfo

Originally posted by BillMurphy

Originally posted by MMO.Maverick

Nice short preview, funny to see Pokket here, is this a regular thing? (1st video I saw of her here)

Yep! She'll be recurring with Game Face hosted here every week. Plus she'll be starting up her blog again and writing features once in a while too.

 

Awesome! Good for Pokket, good for us! Been following Pokket on Youtube since Rift. 8)

Originally posted by xKingdomx

She spend time to make an impression video for you to watch, and the only thing you complain about is her audio and reading skills.

 

Good or bad, it was a great effort.

Be grateful of what you get.

 

Some people just don't like seeing other people enjoying games they don't like.

honestly, gtfo

It is easier to crticise others than say something nice. It is sad that people try so hard to find faults in just anything when there is none.

Originally posted by MMO.Maverick

Originally posted by rt33

I'm not saying the game is bad or good, it's an mmo the only way to know the real deal is what happens a few months after launch. Sure at first it's all OMG BABY i've found a new home, wait till the novelty wears off then we'll find out the real staying power.

It's like that episode of Spongebob were Squidward moves away, and he has a smile on his face bigger than the planet, but everyday it lowers, and lowers with the realization of what he had fantasized life would be like this way, the novelty wore off and was too much of the same thing, that's what i think will happen with all the voice acting after awhile in SWToR, eventually you'll be sitting there and go, JUST GET ON ON WITH IT MAN!! enough already with the LONG winded yaking, i just want to play. lol Kinda like the blablablabla talking in Charlie Brown. You simple become numb to the effects of fully voiced everything and pray Yoda brings an off feature.

Like i said before time will tell and I'm actually considering going ahead and getting the game for my kids for Xmas so not trying to rain on your parade bro. For some it's not their cup of tea, others it'll be a fun month or two, and for others it'll be heaven on earth.

Ok, a few things:

1. People aren't allowed to change their mind? It's not as if that never happens, people changing their mind if they got a closer look at things or being able to get another play, experience different aspects of the game or just a more interesting gaming experience. People changed their mind to the negative after playing, others changed their mind to the positive after playing.

 

2. You were the one mentioning normal, regular players, that you don't trust sites and mags. I stated that there have been a whole lot of common people giving SWTOR a shot and posting their impressions about their gaming experiences. You were the one saying that you only trusted normal player experiences, well, there's enough of those that have been around.

 

3. "For some it's not their cup of tea, others it'll be a fun month or two, and for others it'll be heaven on earth."

Kinda what I've been saying all the time. Different people, different tastes, bnothing wrong with that, if SWTOR doesn't do it for some people, there's always other MMO's around - or other style of multiplayer games or singleplayer RPG games if that scratches their personal gaming needs and taste.

"People aren't allowed to change their mind?"

Sure they are, i pretty much have and am (most likely) going to go ahead and get this for the kids as an xmas gift even thought they are not asking for it anymore, i think they will enjoy it at the minimum a month or two maybe longer.

Maybe I just needed that extra little nudge to buy the game, but this video was the one to do it. 

If I had to criticize anything, it would be the music volume. Having it at a level easily overpowered by her words would be great.

I'm honestly looking forward to seeing more from her. She's a good compliment to RipperX.

Originally posted by Pokket

Thanks for the feedback! It looks like the biggest negative is the audio and music. I will definitely work on the audio and, as for the music, I will turn it down a bit. Perhaps it was too loud >.<

That being said, If you check out the earlier Game Face videos on my Youtube page, you'll notice this song is used for nearly all of them (but maybe the first two?). I sort of just built it up as a theme... that's why I keep using it XD Again, I'll just need to turn it down a bit so it isn't drowning the voice over.

I can't wait for my next post! Stay tuned in :D

I wasn't distracted by the music at all. I thought it was a great video.

Originally posted by Pokket says....

Welcome to mmorpg.com Pokket! I hope that your time on Youtube, streaming with GBTV and stuff has given you a thick skin because this place will eat you alive... sooo many trolls. 8)

It would of been nice if this was an actual video with objectives  look at the game. But this is not, it is a viral campaign by EA / Bioware.

I feel we will see a new method of marketing with bIoware with this video being one of many viral adverts. It is a complete turn off for me to see how marketing out ways what is inside of the game,