My guess is that it's because there's nothing else to do.  Many bright lights on the horizon but none of them are here right now.  Skyrim's release occurred at the tail end of a major lull in MMO activity.  It's timing was perfect.

Originally posted by Wizardry

I don't discuss it nor care much for it because the design is a single player game,much easier to pull off than a MMO.

Does this really have quality?Example buildings have insides and not all instances.Are viewing areas large or typical console smallish?

Biggest question of all,is it just another Wow type game following quest markers around?I NEVER liked hand holding in games what so ever,it detests me.I don't want arrows nor anything telling me where to go,where to jump,what level to pull ect ect.

Basically another Wow but in single player mode would be even more painful,no way could i do it .not even if someone bought the game for me.So is it open ended or painfully linear?

I miss my old days of good rpg's example the Might N magics and Wizardry series. Even Ultima was a good game for it's time,these new games all seem like they are turned out of a repeating factory line.

SO TRUTH be told,is this just the same old or not?

Truth be told I'm having a hard time taking this post seriously. It just screams "I'm trying really hard to be hardcore and oldschool" to me.

Skyrim like WOW ? what? There's no similarity between TES games and WOW, none what so ever. I mean come on now what was the last RPG you played? Wizardry? Have you given Drakensang, Divinity 2, Morrowind, Oblivion (moded) or the Witcher a try? Those are just a few examples of games that have by far surpased most RPGs of the past...

Originally posted by Unlight

My guess is that it's because there's nothing else to do.  Many bright lights on the horizon but none of them are here right now.  Skyrim's release occurred at the tail end of a major lull in MMO activity.  It's timing was perfect.

Meh after getting Skyrim I haven't touched TOR, and my excitement for it has worn very thin. Not to say I won't give it a go at launch as playing with my guild will be a different experience. But as many have said playing Skyrim definitely makes the shallow nature of MMO's all the more apparent.

Originally posted by Reizla

Originally posted by elocke

Originally posted by Teala

I think we're all so excited because Skyrim is delivering whart so many MMORPG's fail to give us players - a living breathing virtual world.

BINGO!  I don't know why this concept is so hard for MMORPG developers these days to wrap their heads around, I mean they started as worlds.  Suddenly we're being deluged with these F2P shallow lobby games or worlds the size of small islands(rift, cough, cough).  I really hope the new training program for developers is to play Skyrim first THEN come up with MMORPG ideas and designs.

Not sure this will help the development of a good MMO either. Remember that the 'play through recors' is 2h16m, and that's what the MMO developers will take as a reference then :D

Nah... Best thing we can do is wait till Bethesda will finally listen to us (MMO lovers) and make an Elder Scrolls MMO game. Now I'm very sure that THAT would indeed kill WoW ;-)

I'm not sure if your missinformed or just dont understand TES games.  They are not about just following the main story.  I've played 10+ hours and I've barely scratched the main quest.  And that 2h16m only applies to the main quest.  It doesnt involve any dungeon exploring, loot getting, side quests, or faction chains.  Also, an elder scrolls MMO would not be anything like the elder scrolls we have today, no matter who made them.

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Unlight

My guess is that it's because there's nothing else to do.  Many bright lights on the horizon but none of them are here right now.  Skyrim's release occurred at the tail end of a major lull in MMO activity.  It's timing was perfect.

Meh after getting Skyrim I haven't touched TOR, and my excitement for it has worn very thin. Not to say I won't give it a go at launch as playing with my guild will be a different experience. But as many have said playing Skyrim definitely makes the shallow nature of MMO's all the more apparent.

What makes a good SRPG is very different than what makes a good MMO. I am looking forward to playing SWToR with my mates. I will be leveling most of the time with a good RL friend. We will be partnering with Guildies for flashpoints / warzones etc. Social interaction makes games more fun for me. I can still enjoy a good SRPG, but the times I will play one is pretty limited.

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Unlight

My guess is that it's because there's nothing else to do.  Many bright lights on the horizon but none of them are here right now.  Skyrim's release occurred at the tail end of a major lull in MMO activity.  It's timing was perfect.

Meh after getting Skyrim I haven't touched TOR, and my excitement for it has worn very thin. Not to say I won't give it a go at launch as playing with my guild will be a different experience. But as many have said playing Skyrim definitely makes the shallow nature of MMO's all the more apparent.

I'll agree, based on so many comments I've read, that Skyrim does a great job of delivering a proper RPG experience.  I just doubt people would be howling at the moon and throwing their panties on stage if the release had been a few months from now, once the current crop of games comes out.  SWTOR is kicking off a pretty large surge in MMO activity that's going to run for the next few months.  Had Skyrim released in the middle of that, we wouldn't be talking about it nearly as much -- we'd be busy elsewhere.

I'm not detracting from the game.  It would be the same high quality -- but it would have to compete against some real heavyweights.  Right now, there really is no competition.

Originally posted by Unlight

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Unlight

My guess is that it's because there's nothing else to do.  Many bright lights on the horizon but none of them are here right now.  Skyrim's release occurred at the tail end of a major lull in MMO activity.  It's timing was perfect.

Meh after getting Skyrim I haven't touched TOR, and my excitement for it has worn very thin. Not to say I won't give it a go at launch as playing with my guild will be a different experience. But as many have said playing Skyrim definitely makes the shallow nature of MMO's all the more apparent.

I'll agree, based on so many comments I've read, that Skyrim does a great job of delivering a proper RPG experience.  I just doubt people would be howling at the moon and throwing their panties on stage if the release had been a few months from now, once the current crop of games comes out.  SWTOR is kicking off a pretty large surge in MMO activity that's going to run for the next few months.  Had Skyrim released in the middle of that, we wouldn't be talking about it nearly as much -- we'd be busy elsewhere.

I'm not detracting from the game.  It would be the same high quality -- but it would have to compete against some real heavyweights.  Right now, there really is no competition.

I think your partially right.  I think Skyrim would still have sold as many copies, and got as much praise as it has had. And likely would be discussed just as much as it is now.  The only difference is that there would be discussions about other games (like SWTOR) to help drown it out.

Example:

If I'm screaming loudly in a room by myself, then I'm being pretty loud.

Now, if you get 10 of my friends in there and we all scream together, well now my screams dont seem that loud even if I never changed my volume.

Originally posted by Unlight

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Unlight

My guess is that it's because there's nothing else to do.  Many bright lights on the horizon but none of them are here right now.  Skyrim's release occurred at the tail end of a major lull in MMO activity.  It's timing was perfect.

Meh after getting Skyrim I haven't touched TOR, and my excitement for it has worn very thin. Not to say I won't give it a go at launch as playing with my guild will be a different experience. But as many have said playing Skyrim definitely makes the shallow nature of MMO's all the more apparent.

I'll agree, based on so many comments I've read, that Skyrim does a great job of delivering a proper RPG experience.  I just doubt people would be howling at the moon and throwing their panties on stage if the release had been a few months from now, once the current crop of games comes out.  SWTOR is kicking off a pretty large surge in MMO activity that's going to run for the next few months.  Had Skyrim released in the middle of that, we wouldn't be talking about it nearly as much -- we'd be busy elsewhere.

I'm not detracting from the game.  It would be the same high quality -- but it would have to compete against some real heavyweights.  Right now, there really is no competition.

I really don't know about that TBH maybe the MMO only oriented players might, but as a gamer in general with only so much time, I go where my biggest interest lies.

There are aspects you can get from an MMO that you can not get from a game like Skyrim, which is why i'll still play TOR. However my biggest interest in gaming is open-endedness which TES games deliver in spades,  while MMO's have been moving far away from that. If MMO's were still designed like UO or SWG I'd probably feel differently. As it stands MMO's just aren't my personal go-to right now.

Originally posted by Picklebeast

Isnt it interesting that the most discussed thing on MMORPG.com is... A single player game made (essentially) with Console Gaming in mind?

I do not want to discuss Skyrim here, its flaws or merits- Rather I want to discuss why a single player game is currently the best "MMORPG" out right now... Or at the very least- Its the most interesting.

Is the genre that bad, that stale? Is Skyim that good??? Seriously, this is probably the biggest MMO site out there and the hottest topic for the last week (or longer) is Skyrim- Or at least it seems that way. And its notjust here- Every other MMO forum I frequent sems to have Skyrim as its hot topic.

Personally, I think this says a whole lot ablut what us MMORPG lovers have to choose from in terms of solid games. How many of you still play an MMORPG? I havnt in probably a year...Still...Waiting...

-AND right now we are on the heels of a Star Wars MMO which (not wanting to discuss this either) I feel is a WoW clone and isnt going to hold gamers attention very long... But at least we currently have a game worth hype. What  if it fails to deliver, what then???

Thoughts?

Its the combination of MMORPG's being stale right now AND Skyrim being that damn good. As far as RPG's go I prefer old school JRPG's myself. But skyrim would be a top MMORPG if it was MMO and not just RPG.

 The console comment is false on everything but the UI and your feelings on TOR (which I share) had no place in this thread. The only real reason they could be there is to incite flames and/or trolling. Why put them there?

Skyrim is a gream MMORPG because you don't have any connection problems,  or log-in screens,  or generic-feeling questgivers,  or people standing around in one goddamn place shouting  'LFG ULBR'  'LFM'  'NEED TANK -  3000+ GS'  'SELLING _____!  PST WITH OFFER'

No goldspammers.  No assholes.  No griefers. 

Just you, by yourself or with an A.I. controlled companion in a world where people actually act like fucking people,  not like 12 year olds or 30 year old manchildren trying to race to the endgame for pvp or content.

Brb.  Playing Skyrim.

Why do people care more about the MMO than the RPG?

Plus it's int he right forum.

The MMO devs should have been learning a LOT from the stand alone market over the last 6 years or so. Instead they keep pumping out the same carbon copied crap.

Originally posted by Unlight

My guess is that it's because there's nothing else to do.  Many bright lights on the horizon but none of them are here right now.  Skyrim's release occurred at the tail end of a major lull in MMO activity.  It's timing was perfect.

^^ this

Originally posted by Picklebeast

Is the genre that bad, that stale? Is Skyim that good???

yes, and yes.

Originally posted by Picklebeast

Isnt it interesting that the most discussed thing on MMORPG.com is... A single player game made (essentially) with Console Gaming in mind?

I do not want to discuss Skyrim here, its flaws or merits- Rather I want to discuss why a single player game is currently the best "MMORPG" out right now... Or at the very least- Its the most interesting.

Is the genre that bad, that stale? Is Skyim that good??? Seriously, this is probably the biggest MMO site out there and the hottest topic for the last week (or longer) is Skyrim- Or at least it seems that way. And its notjust here- Every other MMO forum I frequent sems to have Skyrim as its hot topic.

Personally, I think this says a whole lot ablut what us MMORPG lovers have to choose from in terms of solid games. How many of you still play an MMORPG? I havnt in probably a year...Still...Waiting...

-AND right now we are on the heels of a Star Wars MMO which (not wanting to discuss this either) I feel is a WoW clone and isnt going to hold gamers attention very long... But at least we currently have a game worth hype. What  if it fails to deliver, what then???

Thoughts?

 Yes, the MMORPG genre REALLY is that stale.

I have dabbled just a tad bit with EQ2 at random times this year, but yeah, almost a solid year, and no MMO's for me. the best part? i quit waiting on a good one.

Not everyone is waitng on SWTOR.  i could care less about it tbh. however, i hope the game delivers what the people want, for those anticipating it. if SWTOR fails to deliver, people will cry. that's about it.

my thoughts? Skyrim, in a very short time, already gave me my most epic feeling from ANY GAME EVER!!! i killed two dragons in the same fight, with the aid of a random giant and the wandering poet guy. after the fight, i paid the wanderer to sing for me, a song about the Dragonborn's return, while i stood on a rock and stared at a large moon. the giants radius are less aggressive after fighting dragons together!!!! so he just watched us. dope!!! and the song!??!?!? THE DRAGONBORN RETURNS!!! epic song.

My opinion, i think it reveals something important about today

Most people are bored by nowadays mmorpg. They have the feeling that each game is a copy of another, that they are using the same recipe again and again, that they are just here to make money and as long as they find their quotas to pay their cash shop (since they all go F2P...) they just do the minimal

Lot of them realize they have more immersion, more fun with that single rpg games than with a mmo one. They just think "WTF", they can do epic single game but they are not capable to make an epic mmorpg.

Maybe it is impossible, maybe mmorpg has his limit in term of innovation. i don't know.

Originally posted by Teala

I think we're all so excited because Skyrim is delivering whart so many MMORPG's fail to give us players - a living breathing virtual world.

 so, so true.

So we can all conclude how brilliant Skyrim is and that it represents the type of world you would all like in your next MMO?

I couldnt agree more Skyrim is a great game and I have played it for hours everyday since its release.

What I find interesting amongst all you guys is the latter section of my first sentence, "a world that represents the one you would like in your next MMO"

Instanced Dungeons, Towns, and buildings, yep the type of MMO's already been developed everybody complained about.  The type that a large section of the comunity said sucked.  And I know for a fact that some guys here hated a particular game that represented a living breathing world very similar to Skyrims.

What exactly does Skyrim have that an MMO that exists doesnt have?

Originally posted by mrxennon

So we can all conclude how brilliant Skyrim is and that it represents the type of world you would all like in your next MMO?

I couldnt agree more Skyrim is a great game and I have played it for hours everyday since its release.

What I find interesting amongst all you guys is the latter section of my first sentence, "a world that represents the one you would like in your next MMO"

Instanced Dungeons, Towns, and buildings, yep the type of MMO's already been developed everybody complained about.  The type that a large section of the comunity said sucked.  And I know for a fact that some guys here hated a particular game that represented a living breathing world very similar to Skyrims.

What exactly does Skyrim have that an MMO that exists doesnt have?

Are you serious ? Do you really play skyrim or MMOs ? 

You can't play both and say what you just did.

NO mmo has what Skyrim has... at least the most popular and recent ones.

Skyrim is a rich world full of lore and things going on everywhere. Its all dynamic and organic at the same time. You get immersed and lost for hours... you head to your objective and than get lost inside dungeons on the way, you get attacked by a dragon out of nowhere, Assassin's come after you... People plee for your help, people react to you, depending on your behavior, you have a "alignment" with each city... you can be the devil in one and the great guy in another.  

Now... name 1 mmo that does those things and i'll change my name for the same mmo's name you tell me.

All the time i'm playing Skyrim i keep thinking "hell, how i wish this game was a MMO, just add real people here and this is the game i'll play till the end"

Skyrim is how a RPG should be , a open world full of adventure & excitment at every turn , NPC that taunt you calling you a wussy  made me lol so hard .. the only thing I dislike (well at least dont love) is the interface  but thats because it was made for Xbox360  its not a great PC interface  but thats why we have a mod community ..  Now If I can just get thru this 640 page Official Game Guide  :)

To get me to spend money on a Game is a feat in it self  But Skyrim did one better , Not only did i get the collectors edition  But I purchased 2 nice Frames $20 each for the 2 Maps that came with it  so now there hanging on my wall infrom of me  there a good size to  about 80cmx60cm  with heaps of info one one  & the other just looks great 

Originally posted by PukeBucket

Why do people care more about the MMO than the RPG?

Plus it's int he right forum.

The MMO devs should have been learning a LOT from the stand alone market over the last 6 years or so. Instead they keep pumping out the same carbon copied crap.

While people keep pumping money into the carbon copy crap then developers will keep pumping it out. Another carbon copy is released next month and will make the developers a lot of money until people realised what they have done.