Never really thought of it, but my guess is that SWTOR is coming out first so they have their day in the sun first, so I think its natural for people to try to compete with the existing or earlier game.  I believe its the same as why do so many SWTOR fans talk about SWTOR v. WOW, when you don't hear many WOW people doing the reverse.

Originally posted by Isasis

One of them is WoW Cataclysm 1.5 (Cataclysm has voice acting and story, hence one being Cataclysm 1.5) I'm assuming you are talking about SWTOR with this one.

One tries to be different and innovative.  I'm assuming you are talking about GW2 here.

One blatantly copies WoW  Don't know which one you are talking about here.

One has an already awesome community (but could change)  Depends on how you are viewing the community.  Most of the people i see bashing SWTOR from the GW2 sides are generally behaving in an asshatish way, so I don't really think that's awesome.  Nothing about either games community would lead me to believe they are awesome.  With a lower barier to entry GW2 (with no sub) will have a more immature community as it is much easier to get parents to buy a one-off game rather than pony up a sub every month.

One has a community filled with WoW members, and filled with trolls (from WoW mostly) and 4chan members (first hand experience of the community)  Since having seen much more trolling of virtually every other Themepark game from GW2 fans, I guess you are talking about GW2 with this one.

One is heavily group focused  Don't know which one you are talking about here as the main grouping mechanic from GW2 seems to be just showing up in the vicinity of other people will throw you into or prompt you into joining as a group.  Don't really see how that is much different than soloing.  Though I will say I grouped up much more in the beta weekend for SWTOR than I have in any mmo.

One I will play 100% solo, with chat turned off and all invites turned off (because with chat on, I wanted to scream at the people in chat, it is a MUCH better experience 100% solo.)  Since you could only have played SWTOR for any lenght of time where you would get that angry, I'm assuming you are talking about that one.  On the other hand I had the same issue with the first GW and pretty much every mmo I've ever played since about 2003.

One has dynamic events that change the world.   I was under the impression that the events in GW2 would eventually reset though not at the rate of RIFT.

One has a static world that does not change  See above.

One has a story that you follow from point a to point b (but a very good one) Don't both have this? (GW2 has a personal story that is similar unless that has changed in the last few days)

One lets you choose what to do and where to go So one of them doesn't have levels?

Both (from what I have seen of both) have great voice acting

Now in all honesty this is only from reading these forums, and not really anywhere else, but I'm going to see if our list of things matches where you were going with this.

I see a lot of posts about how SW is a themepark and GW2 is not. Hat to burst bubbles, but GW2 is a quest driven themepark, just with a more hidden/organic way of doing quests (which i do like the idea of). Get quest from npc or find it occuring out in the world-it's still a quest arc you have to follow. They are doing some interesting things with results changing the next part of quest, but in the long run still laid out content that will reset for the next guy to do and no lasting effect on world-like themepark. I'm waiting for these 2 games (and TSW) to be released for a couple of weeks before i pay (been burned before-CO, AoC i'm looking at you guys). Why people hate on either game comes down to psychology- people are strange. Both are taking baby steps in changing mmo's, when most of us want leaps of innovation and ideas. I do have to give GW2 the edge on trying to be different, but SWTOR does seems like a fun play. We shall see.

Originally posted by niceguy3978

One lets you choose what to do and where to go So one of them doesn't have levels?

I'm going to ignore everything else because I'm not getting in on the GW2 vs. SWtOR fight (Personally, I blame the TSW fans for secretly pretending to be GW2/SWtOR fans and agitating the whole thing.  It's a conspiracy, man)... but I thought I'd at least deal with something factual.

Since GW2 has sidekicking up and automatic sidekicking down, the levels are actually kind of a joke.  Which is actually a design feature that might annoy many people (I personally prefer it), but yeah, you can go to most of the areas (Including the WvW PvP) from the beginning, or at least by level 2 after you finish the semi-tutorial. :P

You can also travel to any one of the five starting zones, there's nothing that is really forcing you to stay at the one you're at.

Originally posted by Talint

Hello MMO community,

I have a question..  Why is it that all the Guild Wars 2 fans, feel the need to completely bash SWTOR, but we SWTOR don't care, and say nothing about Guild Wars 2.. has always blown my mind.

Talint

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I would not say that it is just GW2 fans bashing SWTOR.  MMORPG fans are bashing SWTOR, WoW fans are bashing SWTOR, F2P fans are bashing SWTOR, etc, etc, etc - probably a bunch of Trekkies that stumbled across the site are bashing SWTOR out of that age old conflict.

Part of it may simply be the case that SWTOR is closer to launch - so, the game to bash is the game closer to launch.  Part of that comes from the increased hype and hoopla leading up to a launch...some people just hate hype.  A cure for cancer could have been found and it would be made available to the public in a month - it would be hyped to Hell and back . . . and that hype, even for a good thing - would result in bashing.

It's odd though, thinking about this, because I've seen more bashing of GW2 than SWTOR.  It's almost as if the general public here knows on the subconscious level, not to say anything bad about SWTOR.  You could call GW2 a flaming pile of roadkill poo...and folks might ignore you, argue with you, or toss a few flaming kittens at you.  You say that SWTOR is anything less than 110% perfect . . . and . . . suddenly you're getting dinged on rating, you're getting posts reported left, right, and center.  Basically, you end up feeling like you've triggered some sort of conspiracy of nerd rage.  It's kind of funny, imho.

Originally posted by ropenice

I see a lot of posts about how SW is a themepark and GW2 is not. Hat to burst bubbles, but GW2 is a quest driven themepark, just with a more hidden/organic way of doing quests (which i do like the idea of). Get quest from npc or find it occuring out in the world-it's still a quest arc you have to follow. They are doing some interesting things with results changing the next part of quest, but in the long run still laid out content that will reset for the next guy to do and no lasting effect on world-like themepark. I'm waiting for these 2 games (and TSW) to be released for a couple of weeks before i pay (been burned before-CO, AoC i'm looking at you guys). Why people hate on either game comes down to psychology- people are strange. Both are taking baby steps in changing mmo's, when most of us want leaps of innovation and ideas. I do have to give GW2 the edge on trying to be different, but SWTOR does seems like a fun play. We shall see.

Yeah, I don't see much that is sandboxy about GW2.  I see several things that are different from the "traditional" post wow mmo, but none of it is really sandboxy.

The whole my community vs your community argument makes me laugh. Both games are going to have fanboys,trolls,haters,brats etc. Hell.. EVERY mmorpg will have them. To base whether you're not willing to atleast TRY  a game soley on the "ew this community is gonna suck" mindset  is just....

Originally posted by BWDingo

The whole my community vs your community argument makes me laugh. Both games are going to have fanboys,trolls,haters,brats etc. Hell.. EVERY mmorpg will have them. To base whether you're not willing to atleast TRY  a game soley on the "ew this community is gonna suck" mindset  is just....

Most people can't be neutral. Everyone wants to pick sides. Even real life is based on that human instinct. Religion, wars, politics all based on X. VS. Y. VS. Z.......

Well i cant really say because i have yet to play GW2.. ;)

Originally posted by Talint

Hello MMO community,

 

I have a question..  Why is it that all the Guild Wars 2 fans, feel the need to completely bash SWTOR, but we SWTOR don't care, and say nothing about Guild Wars 2.. has always blown my mind.

 

Talint

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Simple. GW2 fans are also MMORPG players. While SWTOR fans are not. So they have nothing to say in my opinion because most of them have no idea what is going on in the genre or if other such games actually exist or existed.

SWTOR is bringing in to the genre many Fans of the IP that are thre simply because it is a SW based game.

And that would explain why most are oblivious to the Topics MMO vets are discussing about. For many of them SWTOR is like a dream come true.

Give them a few years and then they may become part of the genres fanbase too and will be joining the discussions as well.

the bashing of TOR comes down to a few things. and trust me OP its been going on both ways

One, you are on MMORPG.com: the p;ace filled with people that got made at the lock of sandbox in fallen earth =]

two, people have seen what both games have to offer, some pick sides

three, some people do not think TOR is good for  MMORPGs as a whole

four, people are misinformed about both games

five, people think GW2 will be like GW

and six, welcome to the internet, say anything you want

Originally posted by Unlight

Originally posted by Talint

Hello MMO community,

 

I have a question..  Why is it that all the Guild Wars 2 fans, feel the need to completely bash SWTOR, but we SWTOR don't care, and say nothing about Guild Wars 2.. has always blown my mind.

 

Talint

[Mod Edit]

Pretty myopic of you since there are frequent visitors to the GW2 forums who go there specifically to bash.  I'm sure *none* of them are SWTOR fans, right?

Troublemaker.

I'd agree if it weren't for the fact you can't even comment on a concern with GW2 without being accused of bashing the game or being a hater.

Originally posted by Distopia

I'd agree if it weren't for the fact you can't even comment on a concern with GW2 without being accused of bashing the game or being a hater.

... let's say it's a little of column A, a little of column B.

If you don't think there's a decent variety of GW2 bashers, then I'm not sure what to tell you.

I know sometimes people overreact (I would consider some people to merely be airing their differences, but I'm more tolerant than most people anyway), but I think it would be silly to say that there aren't a good portion of actual GW2 bashers and trolls out there too. :)  (I'm not going to name any names...)

Originally posted by Meowhead

Originally posted by Distopia

I'd agree if it weren't for the fact you can't even comment on a concern with GW2 without being accused of bashing the game or being a hater.

... let's say it's a little of column A, a little of column B.

If you don't think there's a decent variety of GW2 bashers, then I'm not sure what to tell you.

I know sometimes people overreact (I would consider some people to merely be airing their differences, but I'm more tolerant than most people anyway), but I think it would be silly to say that there aren't a good portion of actual GW2 bashers and trolls out there too. :)  (I'm not going to name any names...)

I'm sure there are bashers, it wouldn't be a proper forum section without some blind hate here and there. My point was more about the idea of what is bashing and what is a general concern or critique, which seems to be overly confused in the GW2 section.

How many threads are started in that section daily declaring that the game is an outright fail? I don't see many, if anything i see far more of the exact opposite. Granted the GW2 section doesn't see as much traffic, but still the blind hate for GW2 has been mild in comparison to just about any MMO currently in development or released.

This thread is sorta lol...

STOP BULLYING it screams... even though it is as natural as that odd flower that stares at you every time you go outside slightly smiling, measuring you with it's eyes, studying you for every tiny little detail it can see, wanting you, wishing for you, dreaming....

Anywho, while yes there are some out there (both gw2 and swto, and every game in this world) you are gonna have haters. Some will make sense some will... be like that flower, creepy and sometimes mean and only wants you for one thing.... to fill their..... trolling needs. So please, if you really dislike it, just ignore the post and alert other people. Simple, easy, and hey, maybe a good read if someone falls for the troll. Don't act like swtor is the one hated on the most, (though there are reasons to...), it isn't. Please, look at WoW, I'm surprised they haven't made a fairy tale/ movie for all the trolls/ haters on that ****.

P.S. -> *Playing the world's smallest violin" during this whole thing.

Why does either one have to be "better". They each are a very seperate offering in the MMO fray. SWTOR is offering Bioware's signature storytelling and character interaction in a Star Wars (sci-fi) universe. GW2 is offering a dynamic world with a seemingly smaller personal story, but a story nonetheless in a fantasy universe. Both sound amazing and both look to offer a stellar experience. I don't see why one has to triumph over the other and I hope they both thrive and deliver so that I can finally start to add more options to my MMO plate.

It's just human nature to want to compare these two titans.  Plus, it makes for some fun debate, which of course, is the reason we have internet message boards.

I'll say though, that I've seen a fair bit of GW2 bashing by SW:TOR fans, and I know because I've done a bit of the bashing myself.  I, however, tend to focus on the unrealistic expectations of its fanbase rather than the game itself.  I'm sure GW2 will be really fun.  I just don't think it will have the content or depth for the majority of gamers to play it long term over a subscription based MMORPG -- be it SW:TOR, TSW, or even WoW.

Originally posted by Distopia

I'm sure there are bashers, it wouldn't be a proper forum section without some blind hate here and there. My point was more about the idea of what is bashing and what is a general concern or critique, which seems to be overly confused in the GW2 section.

How many threads are started in that section daily declaring that the game is an outright fail? I don't see many, if anything i see far more of the exact opposite. Granted the GW2 section doesn't see as much traffic, but still the blind hate for GW2 has been mild in comparison to just about any MMO currently in development or released.

 

The only scientific way to answer this is to go through all the games, one by one, and compare positive to negative threads and get a ratio!  Probably should use some sort of formula that culls out the really tiny pointless threads that only get a few posts.

I'm too lazy.  Until somebody shows me a chart though, it's all anecdotal evidence and 'vague feelings of that's the way it is' on all our parts.

I personally see lots of blind hate and ridiculous threads for GW2 =but= that's probably partially because I don't spend as much time hanging out in other sections of the forums.

Also, I might be crazy, but from what I remember peeking in out of curiousity occasionally, it seems a lot of the SWtOR threads are actually started by the sandbox people.  I'm sure GW2 would see tons of hate threads if GW had been a sandbox and they changed their direction. :D  (Not that KOTOR was sandbox, but SWG and all)

I just don't think this whole 'The fans of YOUR game are crazy.  CRAZY.  Not like the totally sane fans of my game' thing is really that amazingly productive anyway.

It's just another form of bashing.  Doesn't matter if it's justified, it's still starting shit.  I deleted all my examples of justified things you can say to SWtOR fans that piss them off, because I don't want to start shit.  Much. :D

Originally posted by Darrgen

As far as the gw2 vs swtor thing is concerned, who honestly cares? Play what you like and at the end of the day neither game will have an impact on the other.

This says it all...

Originally posted by Meowhead

The only scientific way to answer this is to go through all the games, one by one, and compare positive to negative threads and get a ratio!  Probably should use some sort of formula that culls out the really tiny pointless threads that only get a few posts.

I'm too lazy.  Until somebody shows me a chart though, it's all anecdotal evidence and 'vague feelings of that's the way it is' on all our parts.

I personally see lots of blind hate and ridiculous threads for GW2 =but= that's probably partially because I don't spend as much time hanging out in other sections of the forums.

Also, I might be crazy, but from what I remember peeking in out of curiousity occasionally, it seems a lot of the SWtOR threads are actually started by the sandbox people.  I'm sure GW2 would see tons of hate threads if GW had been a sandbox and they changed their direction. :D  (Not that KOTOR was sandbox, but SWG and all)

I just don't think this whole 'The fans of YOUR game are crazy.  CRAZY.  Not like the totally sane fans of my game' thing is really that amazingly productive anyway.

It's just another form of bashing.  Doesn't matter if it's justified, it's still starting shit.  I deleted all my examples of justified things you can say to SWtOR fans that piss them off, because I don't want to start shit.  Much. :D

 I wasn't making a claim that the bashing comes from any direction more than another. Such as GW2 fans continually bashing TOR or anything of the sort. I feel that's something that is impossible to gauge. WHo's to say the person is an actual fan of either, just because they have a perference doesn't make them a fan. Any single one of us could end up hating both equally, or loving both. 

I wouldn't call what I said a scientific analysis, far from that actually. As it was just an observation of what I've personally seen.