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  Gravarg

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11/14/11 3:53:46 PM#21

CORPG, MMORPG...they're just titles.  Everyone calls GW a MMO, but it is really a CORPG and a MMORPG.  I think the big difference, and why many consider GW a MMO, is there's a feeling of a persistant world, even though it's still a lobby game.  Battlefield 3 and Modern Warfare 3 are OFPS, but could be considered MMOFPS (well bf3 at least, 64 players is enough for massiveness?) because they also have the feeling of something more than just a single battle.


 


I will play this game, as should anyone.  It's free anyways, so why wouldn't you at least try it...If you don't like how they have the item shop set up, it's no loss to you (maybe an overnight of downloading).  I don't see what the big deal is.  It's free :)


  VirusDancer

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11/14/11 4:42:52 PM#22
Originally posted by jvxmtg

The initial concept of it being a Co-Op is lame anyway, making it so much like DDO.


The change from Coop to MMO, IMHO, is great for their game but seeing that it will launch as a F2P is not very reassuring.

The initial concept of it being a Co-Op...would make it so much like D&D/AD&D.  Kind of like...what it is.

If anything, the combination of changes mentioned - MMOish, Actionish, F2Pish, etc'ish . . . makes it sound like it is going to be a DDO clone where you can make your own adventures.

Previously this was not the case - previously, it would have brought back some of that old PnP RPG feeling - freeing us from the nonsense so inherent in MMOs these days.

I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?

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  VirusDancer

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Heroes are about character - not gear.

11/14/11 4:51:37 PM#23
Originally posted by Gravarg

CORPG, MMORPG...they're just titles.  Everyone calls GW a MMO, but it is really a CORPG and a MMORPG.  I think the big difference, and why many consider GW a MMO, is there's a feeling of a persistant world, even though it's still a lobby game.  Battlefield 3 and Modern Warfare 3 are OFPS, but could be considered MMOFPS (well bf3 at least, 64 players is enough for massiveness?) because they also have the feeling of something more than just a single battle.

I will play this game, as should anyone.  It's free anyways, so why wouldn't you at least try it...If you don't like how they have the item shop set up, it's no loss to you (maybe an overnight of downloading).  I don't see what the big deal is.  It's free :)

There is a difference between Co-Op RPG and CORPG.  ArenaNet used the term CORPG to reflect Competitive RPG - not cooperative RPG.

I can definitely see where saying there is no loss but time involved because it is free being a good thing to some, but to some people - that is a turnoff.  It is one thing to have a time-limited trial of a game (all games should have some form of trial version before you buy them so you do not get burned on buying something), but F2P is a major turn-off to many.

There are many turn-offs with this game to some...to me specifically.  To an extent, the game has gone from what could have been awesome - a MMO killer - imho; to just another likely piece of shoddy crippleware.

Part of it is also the IP.  There was a thread about game developers that should be banned from making additional games - Cryptic came up often because of them crapping all over IPs.  This is not just a case of Cryptic making a lobby game with design your own adventures - it is Neverwinter.  It is an established IP - in a fantasy setting that many say has been developed well beyond anything LotR's has... the Forgotten Realms setting for AD&D.

It kind of sounds like the discussions that took place with the announcement of MWO (MechWarrior Online) - a F2P lobby MMO.  MechWarrior is part of an established franchise - BattleTech - it is not just a case that somebody decided to make a mech game - they're crapping all over an IP folks like.

A person that may lack any interest in the IP or a successful game being made based on the IP, might say that it is not a big deal - try it cause it is free and if it sucks, no loss but time...

...but to a person that, dare I say, loves the IP - they're likely to have a far different view of the matter.

I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?

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  Rawiz

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11/14/11 5:39:01 PM#24

I'm willing to bet (up to $5) that this game is going to be a horrible P2W disaster. It will also be mostly single-player, even though advertised as MMO (like STO).

I'd also bet that it's going to be a smaller gameworld than Skyrim has right now. It's all about your wallet, not about the game with this company.

C-Store Online - the Neverwinter edition, coming soon!

  Igorcht

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11/14/11 5:58:39 PM#25

Another turd in the Cryptic toilet. Seems like all their people with even the slightest shred of talent stayed with NCSoft when Cryptic sold City of Heroes to them. Champions Online is awful, STO is awful, and I have every bit of confidence that this, too, will be awful.


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  McGamer

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11/14/11 6:01:05 PM#26

Combining CS's half-baked work + PWI's greedy cash shops = disaster.


  VirusDancer

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Heroes are about character - not gear.

11/14/11 6:01:59 PM#27
Originally posted by Igorcht

Another turd in the Cryptic toilet. Seems like all their people with even the slightest shred of talent stayed with NCSoft when Cryptic sold City of Heroes to them. Champions Online is awful, STO is awful, and I have every bit of confidence that this, too, will be awful.

Before PWE bought them, Neverwinter looked like it could have offered redemption for Cryptic though.

I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?

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  Valentina

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11/14/11 8:05:57 PM#28

I will never consider a lobby game a MMO, sorry PWI.


  jaffrojones

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11/14/11 8:31:03 PM#29

I won't hold my breath, but please please please let this be good.


  LordOfPit

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11/14/11 10:16:27 PM#30

Don't bite more than you can chew, Cryptic...





 

  Beanpuie

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11/14/11 10:26:33 PM#31

They can call it  Little Miss CupCake Power Show  for all i care.  it wont amount to squat if  user-generated content features arent in the game as previously mentioned.

  Saerain

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11/15/11 12:42:52 AM#32

I had been so excited to finally have a multiplayer RPG that wasn't an MMO after all this time, so needless to say, I wish they would have ‘taken their time’ making a better CORPG rather than using that time to go MMO, but all right, fine. Be that way, Cryptic. See if I care.

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  VirusDancer

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Heroes are about character - not gear.

11/15/11 1:40:58 AM#33
Originally posted by Saerain

I had been so excited to finally have a multiplayer RPG that wasn't an MMO after all this time, so needless to say, I wish they would have ‘taken their time’ making a better CORPG rather than using that time to go MMO, but all right, fine. Be that way, Cryptic. See if I care.

Yeah, when I first learned about the game - was following it - it was the game I was looking forward to the most.  Then the PWE thing, the changes, and bah...lol...have to say it is one of the most frustrating/disappointing experiences I've had in gaming - for a game that I got really psyched about only to...meh, bah, whatever...

I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?

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  Zaqir

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11/15/11 7:41:07 AM#34

The problem with Cryptic is they have half baked ideas that are never fully realize or fully mesh with a model.


 


All their games have a nice polish but little vision or finish to them. A nice character creator a linear somewhat entertaining grind to the top and then a steep drop to the doldrums of nothing. They literally have no plan for what to do in terms of alternative or end game content.


 


NOTHING, they are hoping for user generated content and while that is interesting we have to look at it from the standpoint of "So what" , basically lets reduce it to the Neverwinter game on Facebook, you can make dungeons but so what, its more of the same. Collecting "Achievements" mean nothing if they don't mean anything. DCUO tried that and gave some incentive in terms of costume styles and skill points but thats it.


 


Lets us do more, build bases, craft, raise crops, breed animals and do stuff with them, make stuff unique and rare, so some folks get lucky and some folks spend the time cause they WANT to be lucky instead of hand feeding everything.


 


If I am a rare Lotus of the Pearl farmer (totally made up) then make me feel special for doing it and apart of the economy.


A hardcore MMO is not one that caters to those who are "leet" but rather one that caters to those who want to feel unique by accomplishing something via effort and time invested, it comes down to grinding bosses these days and that simply is not enough and a lesson Cryptic has yet to learn.


  Akais

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11/15/11 9:08:26 AM#35



Originally posted by vesavius



The shift is from CO-OP play, so it has always had a focus on multiplayer. They are obviously taking the time to expand on that. I am willing to wait and see how well that goes before judging them.








I have no built in loyalty to Cryptic (or their bosses) but this need to pounce and post 100% negatively on everything they say all the time just gets old.








The truth is there are certain thing that Cryptic do extremely well and they have a decent engine to work with. If they can get away with their conveyer belt production mentality they have the chance to deliver a good game. We shall see.











 








I completely agree.




The "conveyor belt production mentality" has been rife with them since CO and it tends to make their games rather soulless and predictable.




NWN was, at it's core, a game designed to deal suprises at every turn.




It will be interesting to see how Cryptic translates this into their game.





 

  Scot

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11/15/11 9:47:37 AM#36

The way people talk about MMO companies amazes me, wake up for heavens sake.

Cryptic launched CoH in 2004 it was a great MMO and they made it nearly seven years ago. Since then their releases have not been met with such acclaim. But players talk as if the company of seven years ago is the company today. They do this with all games companies Sony etc are the same company as they were when they were founded. This is obviously nonsense as staff leave and are replaced. ‘Sony’ started in 1993 it is not the same company eighteen years later.

The computer industry is renowned for its takeovers and being sold off. Cryptic has been sold once I think, that means blood all over the floor. How many of their staff survived that? EA is well known for taking other software companies and cutting them up in pieces and yet they keep the name like Bioware. And players talk about Bioware as if it is still a separate entity.

So we cannot go on past performance good or bad unless you are talking about a new release and comparing it to one they made last year. Beyond that companies change so much nothing can be assumed.companies Sony etc are the same
  Supersoups

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11/15/11 9:50:13 AM#37

That screenshot looks amazing. I will definitely give it a try whenever it is coming out.

  AG-Vuk

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11/15/11 10:35:23 AM#38

Cryptic is like an ADHD individual. They say and start all kinds of things , but finish pretty well nothing .  They build games on an out dated engine and make poor gameplay decisions. If you doubt this play CoX --> CO ---> STO .  You'll notice really no difference in game design , with all the same problems. To make matters worse , PWI now owns them .  This game should never see the light of day and Cryptic should be closed . PWI got what it wanted , a new game engine, they got suckered, imo. Good job Atari.

  Gel214th

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11/15/11 10:42:17 AM#39

Sad..very sad tha tthis was not released in the CORPG format. I would have played it, probably enjoyed it.


I don't see why it needs to be an "Action" game. What the heck is an Action game as it relates to an online RPG?  


Do we have any "Action" Online RPGs to compare it to? DDO? Champions Online?  What? 


The game with the Foundry etc. was always ripe for a cash shop. I can see dungeon creators needing to purchase Props and set pieces, and Themes to include in their creations. And I don't really have a problem with that.


But I still don't know what these sweeping changes that their new owners required were, and they aren't saying. 


 


 


  zimboy69

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11/15/11 11:48:25 AM#40

the moment it says developer cryptic  get your anti -cryptic shield up deflect the hype and wait a month before purchase


 


it could be the best mmo ever in the world but when made by cryptic its a wait and see


 


if you wait a month after release and then   check  reviews on youtube and websites


you cant get scammed


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