Well I must say where has the time gone?  I originally picked up DAOC in 2004 and I've always played it on and off since then.  I've been gone for about a year and I just went back and I'm loving every minute of it.  I rolled up a new character on Midguard and found the leveling experience to be even better than previous.  Leveling via battlegrounds can essentially be done starting at lvl 1 and the leveling is quick.  I got lvl 50 in less than 15-20 hours play time.  I think I started playing on Friday and Sunday I'm already max level.  Leveling via battlegrounds you also earn realm rank and bounty points.   I was able to earn a generous amount of bounty points which you can use to buy gear, ML levels, and TOA Artifacts. 

Overall my point is that leveling up from scratch and gearing up is simpler and easier than ever.  In just a few days you can be ready for big boy rvr.  You can also always turn your xp off in battlegrounds and earn some extra RR before you head out into the real world.  I found all the battlegrounds that I played in to be active with players.  The repeatable bounty point quests are really amazing.

Another enhancement that has been recently been implemented is that you can buy full buffs in all battlegrounds and in end game rvr.  These buffs are almost equivelent to buff bot buffs.  I think the difference in the end game buffs is +147 vs +151.  So you can see around 5% or less difference in effectiveness.  What this means is that running two accounts is no longer neccessary unless you are min maxing.

10 years later DAOC is still the best PVP game on the market.  I'd recommend this game to anyone who loves PVP.

They had the recipe for success, I still don't understand how they could have screwed up Warhammer so badly....I will never forgive them for that...

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Originally posted by Squiggie
They had the recipe for success, I still don't understand how they could have screwed up Warhammer so badly....I will never forgive them for that...

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EA, but Warhammer wasn't screwed up as much as it missed the point. A lot of the classes were a lot of fun to play, the PvE was good, and the low level PvP scenarios were fun. However, the maps were just designed poorly. There was little reason to go into the PvP lakes. No one is going to sit and wait for a fight.

Yeah, they needed more purpose for the lakes and 3 factions.

Balance was horrible too...WP+BW = dead raid...

Originally posted by SpikeX

 I got lvl 50 in less than 15-20 hours play time. 

 

I remember when DAOC was a great PVE / RVR mmorpg

Looks like Easy Mode spare no one

Originally posted by vladww

Originally posted by SpikeX

 I got lvl 50 in less than 15-20 hours play time. 

 

 

I remember when DAOC was a great PVE / RVR mmorpg

Looks like Easy Mode spare no one

 

It's all your perspective.  Leveling was never the fun part.  Don't tell me you liked sitting at a tree spawn for 12 hours straight, pulling all night sessions, never really moving spots, falling asleep at your keyboard, drooling.  Doing that for a month straight.    That was FUN to you?

The PVE content is still challenging.  There is still a purpose to farm PVE to make tons of money.  The game has simply changed so that people who want to RVR solely to level and or to catch up to friends quickly...can do it with ease.  And trust me the end game RVR is not care bear.  Never has been and never will be.

Originally posted by SpikeX

It's all your perspective.  Leveling was never the fun part.  Don't tell me you liked sitting at a tree spawn for 12 hours straight, pulling all night sessions, never really moving spots, falling asleep at your keyboard, drooling.  Doing that for a month straight.    That was FUN to you?

Yes actually. That was one of the main reasons I played back then actually. The leveling and end game community was that you could always find people to play with. Everyone always did everything together.

Originally posted by SpikeX

Originally posted by vladww

Originally posted by SpikeX

 I got lvl 50 in less than 15-20 hours play time. 

 

 

I remember when DAOC was a great PVE / RVR mmorpg

Looks like Easy Mode spare no one

 

It's all your perspective.  Leveling was never the fun part.  Don't tell me you liked sitting at a tree spawn for 12 hours straight, pulling all night sessions, never really moving spots, falling asleep at your keyboard, drooling.  Doing that for a month straight.    That was FUN to you?

The PVE content is still challenging.  There is still a purpose to farm PVE to make tons of money.  The game has simply changed so that people who want to RVR solely to level and or to catch up to friends quickly...can do it with ease.  And trust me the end game RVR is not care bear.  Never has been and never will be.

 

You know, you're right, it is all part of your perspective, however I did enjoy the leveling and in fact did so about 7 times to 50.

The end game PVP was OK, I really didn't enjoy it until I flipped over to the FFA server Mordred, guess I like fighting for my corp and the Keep it held more than the core RVR combat.

Right now I'm not sure what's left to fight for in DAOC RVR, back in the day it was all about control of Darkness falls, another cause I could get behind, but today it seems like all you're fighting for is personal glory and to do PVP. 

If so, that's not what I enjoyed about DAOC.

DAOC in some ways just doesn't feel the same as it was back in its prime.

But I agree, still the best PvP game on the market currently, and though the PvE is insanely fast to level through today, I still find it funner than most modern MMO's.

For me, just because something isn't initially fun doesn't mean it won't result in more fun down the road. I like to think of it as an investment in fun. Back in the day, when I leveled my first character to 50 (an infiltrator no less, which was painful to level way back when) I remember spending hours upon hours at the trees in Lioness. Boring? Most definitely. However, reaching 50 felt like an enormous achievement, which in turn made RvR at 50 that much more fun. Honestly, I think removing the grind cheapens the end game.

Grinding PvE was also fun in some respect due to the fact that it was so boring. It would force you to strike up conversation in your group and when you were in a grind group for 5+ hours, some very interesting conversations would unfold, adding to the social aspect of the game. I've never felt a sense of community stronger than DAoC, mostly because you were forced to group with almost every major contributor in the community on your way up to 50. Seeing folks you spent hours and hours grinding with in PvE during a relic defense really instilled a stronger sense of pride for your realm.

Originally posted by SpikeX

Originally posted by vladww

Originally posted by SpikeX

 I got lvl 50 in less than 15-20 hours play time. 

 

 

I remember when DAOC was a great PVE / RVR mmorpg

Looks like Easy Mode spare no one

 

It's all your perspective.  Leveling was never the fun part.  Don't tell me you liked sitting at a tree spawn for 12 hours straight, pulling all night sessions, never really moving spots, falling asleep at your keyboard, drooling.  Doing that for a month straight.    That was FUN to you?

The PVE content is still challenging.  There is still a purpose to farm PVE to make tons of money.  The game has simply changed so that people who want to RVR solely to level and or to catch up to friends quickly...can do it with ease.  And trust me the end game RVR is not care bear.  Never has been and never will be.

 

Yes. I enjoyed so much that as soon as Gaheris came out I was on it like a fat kid on a cupcake!

Originally posted by wr036

For me, just because something isn't initially fun doesn't mean it won't result in more fun down the road. I like to think of it as an investment in fun. Back in the day, when I leveled my first character to 50 (an infiltrator no less, which was painful to level way back when) I remember spending hours upon hours at the trees in Lioness. Boring? Most definitely. However, reaching 50 felt like an enormous achievement, which in turn made RvR at 50 that much more fun. Honestly, I think removing the grind cheapens the end game.

Grinding PvE was also fun in some respect due to the fact that it was so boring. It would force you to strike up conversation in your group and when you were in a grind group for 5+ hours, some very interesting conversations would unfold, adding to the social aspect of the game. I've never felt a sense of community stronger than DAoC, mostly because you were forced to group with almost every major contributor in the community on your way up to 50. Seeing folks you spent hours and hours grinding with in PvE during a relic defense really instilled a stronger sense of pride for your realm.

I never liked the RvR that much. I was actually disappointed with RvR and wanted to go back to Battlegrounds after I saw what RvR was. But even so, I can fully agree with this.

And yes, stealthers were SO tough to level up back then which is why I never made one haha. I totally used to have respect for stealthers who made it all the way to 50 back when it was hard. I had respect for ANYONE that took the time to level a character to 50 back then. It used to mean something.

After reading this thread I think I am going to have to re-activate my sub and check things out, start out from scratch this time. I re-subbed about a year ago but I was so out of practice on my level 50 shaman the experience was not very fun.

always worth comming back !

Still great PvP action, and the newbie areas are full.

The rvr is great, and fast. And fun now. And it's not easy mode.

But the pve is totaly useless, you just buy all stuff from pvp rewards. If i wanted an edge somewhere i would go to specifig dungeons to get nice jewlery for a specifik battleground. that's all gone. df seals, all gone. aurulite, all gone. money. well, i dont know why people want plat. but it's still tradeable in a way.

every sec you spend i pve you loose rp's and bp's.

i like the changes the did and it's awsome pvp now. But i miss the pve aswell

 DAoC has always been one of my favorite games to play, but with every new expansion they made PvPing a joke with all the new pvp abilities and other things that made is almost impossible to kill someone with the right ranks in under a few minutes if at all. But thankfully i found a free Classic shard sever called Uthgard, if you liked Classic DAoC i would point you to that shard it is free and has all the classic stuff up to catacombs atm so not all of that new game chaging crap that ruined the game in my opinion, plus the server usually has even more players on it then any of the official clusters.

Originally posted by melton80

 DAoC has always been one of my favorite games to play, but with every new expansion they made PvPing a joke with all the new pvp abilities and other things that made is almost impossible to kill someone with the right ranks in under a few minutes if at all. But thankfully i found a free Classic shard sever called Uthgard, if you liked Classic DAoC i would point you to that shard it is free and has all the classic stuff up to catacombs atm so not all of that new game chaging crap that ruined the game in my opinion, plus the server usually has even more players on it then any of the official clusters.

Cool, I'm gonna give it a try.

Originally posted by SpikeX

Well I must say where has the time gone?  I originally picked up DAOC in 2004 and I've always played it on and off since then.  I've been gone for about a year and I just went back and I'm loving every minute of it.  I rolled up a new character on Midguard and found the leveling experience to be even better than previous.  Leveling via battlegrounds can essentially be done starting at lvl 1 and the leveling is quick.  I got lvl 50 in less than 15-20 hours play time.  I think I started playing on Friday and Sunday I'm already max level.  Leveling via battlegrounds you also earn realm rank and bounty points.   I was able to earn a generous amount of bounty points which you can use to buy gear, ML levels, and TOA Artifacts. 

Overall my point is that leveling up from scratch and gearing up is simpler and easier than ever.  In just a few days you can be ready for big boy rvr.  You can also always turn your xp off in battlegrounds and earn some extra RR before you head out into the real world.  I found all the battlegrounds that I played in to be active with players.  The repeatable bounty point quests are really amazing.

Another enhancement that has been recently been implemented is that you can buy full buffs in all battlegrounds and in end game rvr.  These buffs are almost equivelent to buff bot buffs.  I think the difference in the end game buffs is +147 vs +151.  So you can see around 5% or less difference in effectiveness.  What this means is that running two accounts is no longer neccessary unless you are min maxing.

 

10 years later DAOC is still the best PVP game on the market.  I'd recommend this game to anyone who loves PVP.

Wow. That is cool.

How is the level 50 RvR? I hated the tower standoffs.

uthgard is great and boy does it bring back that "pve level grind"  phew...but you know what?  I loved every minute of it.  everything from the classic music, old leveling (grinding) areas, the constant spam in general chat to get groups together to get DF back, the rush to get into DF as soon as a realm took control to pve and pvp the stragglers from the other realms, etc etc. 

Originally posted by viletoto

uthgard is great and boy does it bring back that "pve level grind"  phew...but you know what?  I loved every minute of it.  everything from the classic music, old leveling (grinding) areas, the constant spam in general chat to get groups together to get DF back, the rush to get into DF as soon as a realm took control to pve and pvp the stragglers from the other realms, etc etc. 

As long as official DAoC servers run, playing Uthgard would feel like the community is separated for me. If Mythic would release the official servers for free or make an official Origins server then I would feel like the DAoC community is all together again finally and I would love to play.

Also, "spam in general chat"? Dark Age of Camelot never had a general chat back then. But yeah, Darkness Falls was really fun times back then.

Free like Subspace/Continuum (1997).