Originally posted by Aelfinn

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by deviliscious

It is very much common place still in Texas.

Than i guinenely feel sorry for kids over there :/

Not going into specific detail, that's up to her, but based on what she's posted in the past, Devil did not have anything resembling what we might call a normal childhood, regardless of the state it occured in.

I'm still highly pissed off about some of the specific events mentioned.

Belts and paddles are still very much common in Texas, however, No I do not think other kids punishments involved sledge hammers, broken mirrors, Mesquite branches with thorns  blood and broken bones. It still is hard to talk about. I have tried to put that behind me, though I did not speak to my parents for years, I am the one caring for them now. Both of my parents are disabled, I have accepted I cannot change the past, but they are also the only parents I have. I have never asked them for anything. I have difficulty understanding this girls actions here, I would have destroyed the video long ago to get it out of mind. I cannot understand how she would want to throw it out there like that, and I cannot understand even further how she could be making demands from them rather than pity them for their lack of understanding to the really important things in life. The whole thing is just confusing.

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Aelfinn

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by deviliscious

It is very much common place still in Texas.

Than i guinenely feel sorry for kids over there :/

Not going into specific detail, that's up to her, but based on what she's posted in the past, Devil did not have anything resembling what we might call a normal childhood, regardless of the state it occured in.

I'm still highly pissed off about some of the specific events mentioned.

Belts and paddles are still very much common in Texas, however, No I do not think other kids punishments involved sledge hammers, broken mirrors, Mesquite branches with thorns  blood and broken bones. It still is hard to talk about. I have tried to put that behind me, though I did not speak to my parents for years, I am the one caring for them now. Both of my parents are disabled, I have accepted I cannot change the past, but they are also the only parents I have. I have never asked them for anything. I have difficulty understanding this girls actions here, I would have destroyed the video long ago to get it out of mind. I cannot understand how she would want to throw it out there like that, and I cannot understand even further how she could be making demands from them rather than pity them for their lack of understanding to the really important things in life. The whole thing is just confusing.

 Violence is never the solution, only an option. No one deserves to be beaten and it is also against the law to lay hand upon a child (USA). Some might agree or disagree about this, but that is what gives us individualism. It has already been proven that violent responses to a childs actions cause nothing but negative impacts. The day the child lives in fear of the parent is the day that parent has officially failed.

@ Devil - Try posting without bragging about yourself lol  That's a 'no no quality', we call them one-uppers where I'm from.

Its a perfectly legitimate case to make while explaining one's personal viewpoint Rob. She also refrained from saying anything about it until in response to my mention of her somewhat unique situation.

Had her attitude been to brag about it, you might have a point. But she didn't, and I would be surprised if she ever did.

Originally posted by Robgmur

 Violence is never the solution, only an option. No one deserves to be beaten and it is also against the law to lay hand upon a child (USA). Some might agree or disagree about this, but that is what gives us individualism. It has already been proven that violent responses to a childs actions cause nothing but negative impacts. The day the child lives in fear of the parent is the day that parent has officially failed.

I disagree here. While violence may not be The solution or shouldn't be the first choice as a solution sometimes it is necessary , mainly when everything else fails. It should be kept as a last resort option, now it may not even work than but if everything else fails it's worth a try.

Originally posted by Robgmur

@ Devil - Try posting without bragging about yourself lol  That's a 'no no quality', we call them one-uppers where I'm from.

I have no clue what you think I am " bragging about". Honestly, the whole thing is embarrasing and painful. I don't think that is boasting, it is even hard to type now  without feeling like I am going to vomit.

EDIT: nevermind.

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by Robgmur

 Violence is never the solution, only an option. No one deserves to be beaten and it is also against the law to lay hand upon a child (USA). Some might agree or disagree about this, but that is what gives us individualism. It has already been proven that violent responses to a childs actions cause nothing but negative impacts. The day the child lives in fear of the parent is the day that parent has officially failed.

I disagree here. While violence may not be The solution or shouldn't be the first choice as a solution sometimes it is necessary , mainly when everything else fails. It should be kept as a last resort option, now it may not even work than but if everything else fails it's worth a try.

Beating a child with a foreign object should be never "necessary".  It constitutes Battery in every state when it comes to adult v. adult violence.  However, since children's law serves as a double standard in some states, like Texas, beating a child with a foreign object is not a child abuse.  However, a vast majority of states, it is.

Notice how I say "foreign object".  I am not against spanking children.  I am against having to use a foreign object (board, belt, broom, etc...) to do it.  That shows anger and disdain for the child by the disciplinary.  A hand across the bum does not convey this same message.

@Rob:  No, you are incorrect.  Spanking is allowed in almost every state law.  However, many states have conditions like "to cause excessive pain" or "to cause mental anguish" or "to cause emotional trauma" as to turn spanking into child abuse.

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by Robgmur

 Violence is never the solution, only an option. No one deserves to be beaten and it is also against the law to lay hand upon a child (USA). Some might agree or disagree about this, but that is what gives us individualism. It has already been proven that violent responses to a childs actions cause nothing but negative impacts. The day the child lives in fear of the parent is the day that parent has officially failed.

I disagree here. While violence may not be The solution or shouldn't be the first choice as a solution sometimes it is necessary , mainly when everything else fails. It should be kept as a last resort option, now it may not even work than but if everything else fails it's worth a try.

Beating a child with a foreign object should be never "necessary".  It constitutes Battery in every state when it comes to adult v. adult violence.  However, since children's law serves as a double standard in some states, like Texas, beating a child with a foreign object is not a child abuse.  However, a vast majority of states, it is.

Notice how I say "foreign object".  I am not against spanking children.  I am against having to use a foreign object (board, belt, broom, etc...) to do it.  That shows anger and disdain for the child by the disciplinary.  A hand across the bum does not convey this same message.

 

@Rob:  No, you are incorrect.  Spanking is allowed in almost every state law.  However, many states have conditions like "to cause excessive pain" or "to cause mental anguish" or "to cause emotional trauma" as to turn spanking into child abuse.

Well i guess there was some confusion about what constitutes violence. Obviously i'm not talking about beating up a child. I was referring to the good old spanking, which still is violence. I thought it would be self-implied that severe violence against your own children isn't an option.

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by Robgmur

 Violence is never the solution, only an option. No one deserves to be beaten and it is also against the law to lay hand upon a child (USA). Some might agree or disagree about this, but that is what gives us individualism. It has already been proven that violent responses to a childs actions cause nothing but negative impacts. The day the child lives in fear of the parent is the day that parent has officially failed.

I disagree here. While violence may not be The solution or shouldn't be the first choice as a solution sometimes it is necessary , mainly when everything else fails. It should be kept as a last resort option, now it may not even work than but if everything else fails it's worth a try.

Beating a child with a foreign object should be never "necessary".  It constitutes Battery in every state when it comes to adult v. adult violence.  However, since children's law serves as a double standard in some states, like Texas, beating a child with a foreign object is not a child abuse.  However, a vast majority of states, it is.

Notice how I say "foreign object".  I am not against spanking children.  I am against having to use a foreign object (board, belt, broom, etc...) to do it.  That shows anger and disdain for the child by the disciplinary.  A hand across the bum does not convey this same message.

 

@Rob:  No, you are incorrect.  Spanking is allowed in almost every state law.  However, many states have conditions like "to cause excessive pain" or "to cause mental anguish" or "to cause emotional trauma" as to turn spanking into child abuse.

You could choose to hit someone harder with an open hand than with any object...

What's the difference between electing to strike a person at a certain PSI with and object or the same PSI with an open hand?

It makes no difference with regards to pain to the person on the other end of the object or hand - it hurts just the same and is as equally damaging...

Here's a video of a man almost beaten to death:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EltgaK1FCDs 

'Your eyes can deceive you, don't trust them'

Originally posted by Hazelle

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by Robgmur

 Violence is never the solution, only an option. No one deserves to be beaten and it is also against the law to lay hand upon a child (USA). Some might agree or disagree about this, but that is what gives us individualism. It has already been proven that violent responses to a childs actions cause nothing but negative impacts. The day the child lives in fear of the parent is the day that parent has officially failed.

I disagree here. While violence may not be The solution or shouldn't be the first choice as a solution sometimes it is necessary , mainly when everything else fails. It should be kept as a last resort option, now it may not even work than but if everything else fails it's worth a try.

Beating a child with a foreign object should be never "necessary".  It constitutes Battery in every state when it comes to adult v. adult violence.  However, since children's law serves as a double standard in some states, like Texas, beating a child with a foreign object is not a child abuse.  However, a vast majority of states, it is.

Notice how I say "foreign object".  I am not against spanking children.  I am against having to use a foreign object (board, belt, broom, etc...) to do it.  That shows anger and disdain for the child by the disciplinary.  A hand across the bum does not convey this same message.

 

@Rob:  No, you are incorrect.  Spanking is allowed in almost every state law.  However, many states have conditions like "to cause excessive pain" or "to cause mental anguish" or "to cause emotional trauma" as to turn spanking into child abuse.

You could choose to hit someone harder with an open hand than with any object...

What's the difference between electing to strike a person at a certain PSI with and object or the same PSI with an open hand?

It makes no difference with regards to pain to the person on the other end of the object or hand - it hurts just the same and is as equally damaging...

Please re read my prior posts and you will understand that I have already discussed this.  There IS a difference between object vs. hand when beating someone.  I have already discussed it.

Originally posted by Hazelle

Here's a video of a man almost beaten to death:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EltgaK1FCDs 

'Your eyes can deceive you, don't trust them'

 

 

Using a hollywood movie as evidence.  Fail example is fail.

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Hazelle

Here's a video of a man almost beaten to death:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EltgaK1FCDs 

'Your eyes can deceive you, don't trust them'

 

 

Using a hollywood movie as evidence.  Fail example is fail.

It's evidence that what you see might not be as bad it appears.

The video I presented illustrates my point - it depicts two people beating each other senseless and yet in reality neither of them is harmed in any way at all.  Make sure you read that: NEITHER OF THEM IS HARMED IN ANY WAY AT ALL.

The video of the girl, according to a person that was there at the time, looks worse than it appears and he goes on to tell us that she didn't suffer any damage as a result of it, which has up until now not been contested by the "victim" so it must stand as the truth.

Accept it - the video, much like the movie clip, looks worse than it appears and nither the girl or the actors suffered much harm from these moments caught on film.

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Hazelle

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by Robgmur

 Violence is never the solution, only an option. No one deserves to be beaten and it is also against the law to lay hand upon a child (USA). Some might agree or disagree about this, but that is what gives us individualism. It has already been proven that violent responses to a childs actions cause nothing but negative impacts. The day the child lives in fear of the parent is the day that parent has officially failed.

I disagree here. While violence may not be The solution or shouldn't be the first choice as a solution sometimes it is necessary , mainly when everything else fails. It should be kept as a last resort option, now it may not even work than but if everything else fails it's worth a try.

Beating a child with a foreign object should be never "necessary".  It constitutes Battery in every state when it comes to adult v. adult violence.  However, since children's law serves as a double standard in some states, like Texas, beating a child with a foreign object is not a child abuse.  However, a vast majority of states, it is.

Notice how I say "foreign object".  I am not against spanking children.  I am against having to use a foreign object (board, belt, broom, etc...) to do it.  That shows anger and disdain for the child by the disciplinary.  A hand across the bum does not convey this same message.

 

@Rob:  No, you are incorrect.  Spanking is allowed in almost every state law.  However, many states have conditions like "to cause excessive pain" or "to cause mental anguish" or "to cause emotional trauma" as to turn spanking into child abuse.

You could choose to hit someone harder with an open hand than with any object...

What's the difference between electing to strike a person at a certain PSI with and object or the same PSI with an open hand?

It makes no difference with regards to pain to the person on the other end of the object or hand - it hurts just the same and is as equally damaging...

Please re read my prior posts and you will understand that I have already discussed this.  There IS a difference between object vs. hand when beating someone.  I have already discussed it.

You claimed it shows anger and disdain but failed to illusrate why you think that.

Making random claims isn't the same as presenting a valid point or discussing something - it's just making a claim, which is worthless unless you present the reason why you are making the claim - which you haven't done.

How does striking someone with an object make striking someone with their hand convey less "anger"?

The very fact that somebody is being shown dicipline invalidates your "disdain" claim.

Originally posted by Hazelle

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Hazelle

Here's a video of a man almost beaten to death:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EltgaK1FCDs 

'Your eyes can deceive you, don't trust them'

 

 

Using a hollywood movie as evidence.  Fail example is fail.

It's evidence that what you see might not be as bad it appears.

The video I presented illustrates my point - it depicts two people beating each other senseless and yet in reality neither of them is harmed in any way at all.  Make sure you read that: NEITHER OF THEM IS HARMED IN ANY WAY AT ALL.

The video of the girl, according to a person that was there at the time, looks worse than it appears and he goes on to tell us that she didn't suffer any damage as a result of it, which has up until now not been contested by the "victim" so it must stand as the truth.

Accept it - the video, much like the movie clip, looks worse than it appears and nither the girl or the actors suffered much harm from these moments caught on film.

Using hollywood stunts and makeup =/= reality.  Sorry, I stand by the "Fail example is fail." because that's the absolute truth.

Also, "open hand" =/= "punching a child".  That's battery as well.

Originally posted by Hazelle

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Hazelle

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by Robgmur

 Violence is never the solution, only an option. No one deserves to be beaten and it is also against the law to lay hand upon a child (USA). Some might agree or disagree about this, but that is what gives us individualism. It has already been proven that violent responses to a childs actions cause nothing but negative impacts. The day the child lives in fear of the parent is the day that parent has officially failed.

I disagree here. While violence may not be The solution or shouldn't be the first choice as a solution sometimes it is necessary , mainly when everything else fails. It should be kept as a last resort option, now it may not even work than but if everything else fails it's worth a try.

Beating a child with a foreign object should be never "necessary".  It constitutes Battery in every state when it comes to adult v. adult violence.  However, since children's law serves as a double standard in some states, like Texas, beating a child with a foreign object is not a child abuse.  However, a vast majority of states, it is.

Notice how I say "foreign object".  I am not against spanking children.  I am against having to use a foreign object (board, belt, broom, etc...) to do it.  That shows anger and disdain for the child by the disciplinary.  A hand across the bum does not convey this same message.

 

@Rob:  No, you are incorrect.  Spanking is allowed in almost every state law.  However, many states have conditions like "to cause excessive pain" or "to cause mental anguish" or "to cause emotional trauma" as to turn spanking into child abuse.

You could choose to hit someone harder with an open hand than with any object...

What's the difference between electing to strike a person at a certain PSI with and object or the same PSI with an open hand?

It makes no difference with regards to pain to the person on the other end of the object or hand - it hurts just the same and is as equally damaging...

Please re read my prior posts and you will understand that I have already discussed this.  There IS a difference between object vs. hand when beating someone.  I have already discussed it.

You claimed it shows anger and disdain but failed to illusrate why you think that.

Making random claims isn't the same as presenting a valid point or discussing something - it's just making a claim, which is worthless unless you present the reason why you are making the claim - which you haven't done.

How does striking someone with an object make striking someone with their hand convey less "anger"?

The very fact that somebody is being shown dicipline invalidates your "disdain" claim.

I have psychology on my side.  You have just your opinion.  Science speaks louder than opinion.

This could of been handled better.  Obviously the judge got too angry and swore too much.  No one likes disobedient kids though.  She seems too old to spank also.  After around the age of 10, spanking is kind of pointless.  I don't think this judge is going to be re-elected come next election.  So much for his career.

Originally posted by blackcat35

This could of been handled better.  Obviously the judge got too angry and swore too much.  No one likes disobedient kids though.  She seems too old to spank also.  After around the age of 10, spanking is kind of pointless.  I don't think this judge is going to be re-elected come next election.  So much for his career.

Well, his career is already tarnished.  Every prosecuting attorney will request he step down as judge during child abuse cases due to his history.  If he does not, then it is automatic grounds for the prosecuting attorney to file for appeal.

Here's a nice selection of articles that shows the backlash of the video showing him beating his daughter.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/11/texas-judge-beats-daughter-video-suspended/1

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video-beating-judge-william-adams-asked-suspension/story?id=15036850

Also, the most dire consequence of his prior actions, "County court-at-law Judge William Adams was granted visitation with his 10-year-old daughter, with supervision by a competent adult, as ruled by visiting Judge K. Stephen Williams on Wednesday, Nov. 23.

Williams signed an order  Thursday, Nov. 10 which temporarily terminated the visitation between Adams and his younger child. With the filing and signing of the TRO, the younger daughter was removed from H. Adams possession as well, in accordance with procedure." http://www.rockportpilot.com/articles/2011/12/02/news/doc4ed553c729ade529506549.txt