Originally posted by Robgmur

A tribe? wtf is going on?

Yes, I am Hopi.  We are not all dead yet.

Originally posted by Grahor

Originally posted by Robgmur

A tribe? wtf is going on?

Dallas, TX - I say, native american heritage. Them americans love to trace their bloodlines to both Mayflower and Pocahontas. Conveniently closing the eyes on all the rape rape things that were merrily going along that way.

 

Actually, that's the first time I've looked at her profile and seen that she's from Texas. Wouldn't even bother answering, knowing that.

 

P.S. That was initially pretty long post, but since I'm trying to conform to local rules, I had to remove all the potentially inflammatory opinions from my post, to the point where there is next to no point in posting. :( Bah.

WOW.  Just wow.  Yes, my grandfather moved from the reservation, we do have a choice as to whether or not we want to live on one, as much as people think we should be separated from the rest of society, as to not influence their Christian ideals, we are people too and should have rights to choose where we live as well. People act as if we are all dead these days, but no,  my tribe has around 7,000 left on this planet, so no despite your ignorance of the fact that we still exist here, most of my family still lives on the reservation. Most here already know my feelings towards Columbus here.  Do you have any idea how disgusting your comments even are?  You did not remove enough inflammatory remarks considering you think all tribes are related to Pocohontas.  I do not know how to even respond to such things.  It kind of  reminds me of when I was a kid and that kid asked me why I wasn't going to be an " indian" for halloween.   Idiots...

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by deviliscious

 

Traditonally, in my culture, The women were in charge of economy, business, home and family.  There was not a problem of the household not being attended to, because women conducted business from their homes. It is a design flaw in your society that requires women to work outside the home that is the problem there, not that women should not conduct business. No offense but the system you refer to cannot work, period. Only menial tasks can be performed from your house. You can't go have business meetings at your home, personal contact is needed. And most jobs simply cannot in any conceivable ways be performed in your home. You can't be a cop, soldier, construction worker, manager , etc. from your home, you need to be on the field, period.

  It is refreshing though to see that your" advanced civilization", has now been progressing forward to the " work at home mom" and shifting in regards to more home based businesses, which I personally consider the advanced model, that the tribes were using for thousands of years that your society is finally catching up with.

You can only do so much from your home and even for tasks you do at home at one point or an other you'll need to go somewhere else (you work on a project at home and than you'll need to present it , maybe to multiple people, maybe than need to revise it , cooperate with others which could be much easier if you're all in the same room, etc.)

I would also like to add that having some part time job you can do at home while taking care of said home doesn't disturb me in the least. My concern lies with partners who think it's more important to prove they are "emancipated feminists" rather than actually ensuring the home is well taken care off. (no i don't believe in daycare centers and alike)

Women are more subtle in their ways to let a man know she is interested. We talk with our eyes. Men have cued into this over the generations and know what " the look" means. 

I suck at body language, so you can do whatever you want with your eyes, i won't see it (and i'm fairly certain there are many like me). Unless you're crying or have eyes that look like you didn't sleep for 2 days your eyes say nothing to me.

 

 

 

 

Of course all jobs do not allow for you to work from home, but many do. Women do not always have small children to attend to at home either.  Your views on who can do a job better are quite narrowminded as well, considering women are proven  far superior at multitasking then men, it does not surprise me you would not understand that concept and see that women should only specialize because that is how men function.

Originally posted by deviliscious

 

Of course all jobs do not allow for you to work from home, but many do. Women do not always have small children to attend to at home either.  Your views on who can do a job better are quite narrowminded as well, considering women are proven  far superior at multitasking then men, it does not surprise me you would not understand that concept and see that women should only specialize because that is how men function.

Perhaps but multitasking is not very useful for most job which require your entire focus on one matter.  This is off course my believe, but honestly seeing history i just have a hard time believe we would have been totally wrong for such a long time. (do mind there are always exceptions to the general rules)

And tbh, my apologies that i don't consider women godesses which are better at everything. Why is it so bad to say women are better at housekeeping and men at most "payed jobs" ? There is nothing bad nor negative about that. Everyone has something he/she is good at.

And i really don't think "many" jobs allow you to work at home. Some maybe but many?

Originally posted by deviliscious

WOW.  Just wow.  Yes, my grandfather moved from the reservation, we do have a choice as to whether or not we want to live on one, as much as people think we should be separated from the rest of society, as to not influence their Christian ideals, we are people too and should have rights to choose where we live as well. People act as if we are all dead these days, but no,  my tribe has around 7,000 left on this planet, so no despite your ignorance of the fact that we still exist here, most of my family still lives on the reservation. Most here already know my feelings towards Columbus here.  Do you have any idea how disgusting your comments even are?  You did not remove enough inflammatory remarks considering you think all tribes are related to Pocohontas.  I do not know how to even respond to such things.  It kind of  reminds me of when I was a kid and that kid asked me why I wasn't going to be an " indian" for halloween.   Idiots...

 

Quite honestly, I simply don't care. We all have came from someone, some tribe or other, and I don't give a flying duck for that. How much do you care about glorious and bloody history of my Lithuanian ancestors fighting for 400+ years against German Crusaders or Livs or some of the Russian tribes from the other side of my family, or... Yes, that's how much I care about Hopi. Actually, at least I've heard about Hopi. Have you heard about seafaring expeditions of Kurland Duchy?

Anyway, that was them, and I'm not them, even though I'm their genetic descendant; my culture, my values, my language, my self-identification are completely different, and so are yours; the Hopi as they were are infinitely far away from you. You are an American, a Texan at that; no more Hopi than historic reenactment people are Roman legionaries or whatever.

You want to self-identify with them? Be my guest, but don't expect us to care about it.

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by deviliscious

 

Traditonally, in my culture, The women were in charge of economy, business, home and family.  There was not a problem of the household not being attended to, because women conducted business from their homes. It is a design flaw in your society that requires women to work outside the home that is the problem there, not that women should not conduct business. No offense but the system you refer to cannot work, period. Only menial tasks can be performed from your house. You can't go have business meetings at your home, personal contact is needed. And most jobs simply cannot in any conceivable ways be performed in your home. You can't be a cop, soldier, construction worker, manager , etc. from your home, you need to be on the field, period.

  It is refreshing though to see that your" advanced civilization", has now been progressing forward to the " work at home mom" and shifting in regards to more home based businesses, which I personally consider the advanced model, that the tribes were using for thousands of years that your society is finally catching up with.

You can only do so much from your home and even for tasks you do at home at one point or an other you'll need to go somewhere else (you work on a project at home and than you'll need to present it , maybe to multiple people, maybe than need to revise it , cooperate with others which could be much easier if you're all in the same room, etc.)

I would also like to add that having some part time job you can do at home while taking care of said home doesn't disturb me in the least. My concern lies with partners who think it's more important to prove they are "emancipated feminists" rather than actually ensuring the home is well taken care off. (no i don't believe in daycare centers and alike)

Women are more subtle in their ways to let a man know she is interested. We talk with our eyes. Men have cued into this over the generations and know what " the look" means. 

I suck at body language, so you can do whatever you want with your eyes, i won't see it (and i'm fairly certain there are many like me). Unless you're crying or have eyes that look like you didn't sleep for 2 days your eyes say nothing to me.

 

 

 

 

Of course all jobs do not allow for you to work from home, but many do. Women do not always have small children to attend to at home either.  Your views on who can do a job better are quite narrowminded as well, considering women are proven  far superior at multitasking then men, it does not surprise me you would not understand that concept and see that women should only specialize because that is how men function.

No, they are not better at multitasking than men. For every sensationalist story that hits the news, there are ten peer-reviewed research articles with a substantial sample group from reputable cognitive psychologists and neurologists that usually prove the exact opposite. 

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by deviliscious

 

Of course all jobs do not allow for you to work from home, but many do. Women do not always have small children to attend to at home either.  Your views on who can do a job better are quite narrowminded as well, considering women are proven  far superior at multitasking then men, it does not surprise me you would not understand that concept and see that women should only specialize because that is how men function.

Oh i agree but multitasking is not very useful for most job which require your entire focus on one matter. And i'm fairly certain this ability to multitask hurts the ability to put your entire focus on one thing as you're more likely to think and focus on other things as well. This is off course my believe, but honestly seeing history i just have a hard time believe we would have been totally wrong for such a long time. (do mind there are always exceptions to the general rules)

And tbh, my apologies that i don't consider women godesses which are better at everything. Why is it so bad to say women are better at housekeeping and men at most "payed jobs" ? There is nothing bad nor negative about that. Everyone has something he/she is good at.

And i really don't think "many" jobs allow you to work at home. Some maybe but many?

I could go into the whole " women are better at managerial work and men are better at manual labor arguement", but you know that is just as wrong as what you are doing here. Yes multitasking is far better for overseeing operations than carrying them out, however, I am not going to be so narrowminded to limit and sterotype people in such ways.  Men and women are both capable of excelling in these areas.  Women and men both have natural strengths and weaknesses, but are both capable of adapting as needed as well.

From my experience men are better at housekeeping, but that is just my experience. I have almost always have had a higher income than men I have dated. Many home based businesses allow you to fully operate from home.  You can order merchandise, sell it, ship it, oversee operations,do payroll,  conference  and  advertise all from home now.   Yes, you can completely run a  business from your home now, which has allowed many more options for both men and women as to how they choose to operate.  There are various other forms of employment that allow you to work from home in accounting, transcription, internet security, graphic design, programming, sales and such, but I am not familiar with all of their options there, as I have never needed to look into that, considering I am the employer not the employee. Sure there is on site work, but much now can be done from home now instead.

I am finding many more men are enjoying at home work as well these days allowing them to have more quality time with family as well. Most of the people I know that are working from home are actually men, not women. They seem to enjoy the benefits from doing so just as much as women do.

Originally posted by Praetoriani

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by deviliscious

 

Traditonally, in my culture, The women were in charge of economy, business, home and family.  There was not a problem of the household not being attended to, because women conducted business from their homes. It is a design flaw in your society that requires women to work outside the home that is the problem there, not that women should not conduct business. No offense but the system you refer to cannot work, period. Only menial tasks can be performed from your house. You can't go have business meetings at your home, personal contact is needed. And most jobs simply cannot in any conceivable ways be performed in your home. You can't be a cop, soldier, construction worker, manager , etc. from your home, you need to be on the field, period.

  It is refreshing though to see that your" advanced civilization", has now been progressing forward to the " work at home mom" and shifting in regards to more home based businesses, which I personally consider the advanced model, that the tribes were using for thousands of years that your society is finally catching up with.

You can only do so much from your home and even for tasks you do at home at one point or an other you'll need to go somewhere else (you work on a project at home and than you'll need to present it , maybe to multiple people, maybe than need to revise it , cooperate with others which could be much easier if you're all in the same room, etc.)

I would also like to add that having some part time job you can do at home while taking care of said home doesn't disturb me in the least. My concern lies with partners who think it's more important to prove they are "emancipated feminists" rather than actually ensuring the home is well taken care off. (no i don't believe in daycare centers and alike)

Women are more subtle in their ways to let a man know she is interested. We talk with our eyes. Men have cued into this over the generations and know what " the look" means. 

I suck at body language, so you can do whatever you want with your eyes, i won't see it (and i'm fairly certain there are many like me). Unless you're crying or have eyes that look like you didn't sleep for 2 days your eyes say nothing to me.

 

 

 

 

Of course all jobs do not allow for you to work from home, but many do. Women do not always have small children to attend to at home either.  Your views on who can do a job better are quite narrowminded as well, considering women are proven  far superior at multitasking then men, it does not surprise me you would not understand that concept and see that women should only specialize because that is how men function.

 

No, they are not better at multitasking than men. For every sensationalist story that hits the news, there are ten peer-reviewed research articles with a substantial sample group from reputable cognitive psychologists and neurologists that usually prove the exact opposite. 

New studies have proven that in fact men and women think different, our brains ARE different, and that we use different parts of the brain to process information.  With the advancments in technology, we are really starting to be able to understand these things better than in the past.  Women and men use different parts of their brains in different ways, as well as there being distinctive differences in the actual physical aspects to the male and female brain.  Much progress is being made in this area in recent years,  and yes, we are in fact " wired" differently.

Originally posted by deviliscious

I could go into the whole " women are better at managerial work and men are better at manual labor arguement", but you know that is just as wrong as what you are doing here. Yes multitasking is far better for overseeing operations than carrying them out, however, I am not going to be so narrowminded to limit and sterotype people in such ways.  Men and women are both capable of excelling in these areas.  Women and men both have natural strengths and weaknesses, but are both capable of adapting as needed as well.

I wouldn't even agree with the better at overseeing part anyway. Overseeing someone is one task, not multiple ones. You better focus your overseeing or you're going to miss on a lot.

You can only adapt that much.

From my experience men are better at housekeeping, but that is just my experience. First time i've heard that in my life. But like i said exceptions can be found.

I have almost always have had a higher income than men I have dated. Many home based businesses allow you to fully operate from home.  You can order merchandise, sell it, ship it, oversee operations,do payroll,  conference  and  advertise all from home now.   Yes, you can completely run a  business from your home now, which has allowed many more options for both men and women as to how they choose to operate.  There are various other forms of employment that allow you to work from home in accounting, transcription, internet security, graphic design, programming, sales and such, but I am not familiar with all of their options there, as I have never needed to look into that, considering I am the employer not the employee. Sure there is on site work, but much now can be done from home now instead.

I have little faith in that as i believe many of these tasks can be done better by being on the terrain (except maybe the payroll thing). (ordering requires checking the things you buy, selling requires bargaining , etc ... All can be done better when being on the front in person)

I am finding many more men are enjoying at home work as well these days allowing them to have more quality time with family as well. Most of the people I know that are working from home are actually men, not women. They seem to enjoy the benefits from doing so just as much as women do.

If it works for them fine by me, i don't believe in the whole doing stuff from your home as anything you can do from home can be done better on the front.

 

What i do find ironic is that you can't seem to accept the fact i could only settle with an old fashioned women while you couldn't handle a man who doesn't pay the drinks... Quite funny how women nittpick what should be continued and what is ooooh so wrong. And all we should do is bend over and say yes to everything while expecting nothing to go our way.

If you look at what other's say here is what you can notice:

You have the old fashioned guy like me who'd be glad to pay the drinks and do all the courtesy thing but than also expects the old fashioned housewife.

And than you have the modern guy who doesn't care about what you're gonna do carreer/household wise but doesn't want to pay your drink.

And in both cases what you notice is that one thing goes your way and one doesn't. Seems rather fair. Now off course there others who'd do things both ways wrong or both ways right but i think you'll find less and less of them.

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by deviliscious

I could go into the whole " women are better at managerial work and men are better at manual labor arguement", but you know that is just as wrong as what you are doing here. Yes multitasking is far better for overseeing operations than carrying them out, however, I am not going to be so narrowminded to limit and sterotype people in such ways.  Men and women are both capable of excelling in these areas.  Women and men both have natural strengths and weaknesses, but are both capable of adapting as needed as well.

I wouldn't even agree with the better at overseeing part anyway. Overseeing someone is one task, not multiple ones. You better focus your overseeing or you're going to miss on a lot.

You can only adapt that much.

From my experience men are better at housekeeping, but that is just my experience. First time i've heard that in my life. But like i said exceptions can be found.

I have almost always have had a higher income than men I have dated. Many home based businesses allow you to fully operate from home.  You can order merchandise, sell it, ship it, oversee operations,do payroll,  conference  and  advertise all from home now.   Yes, you can completely run a  business from your home now, which has allowed many more options for both men and women as to how they choose to operate.  There are various other forms of employment that allow you to work from home in accounting, transcription, internet security, graphic design, programming, sales and such, but I am not familiar with all of their options there, as I have never needed to look into that, considering I am the employer not the employee. Sure there is on site work, but much now can be done from home now instead.

I have little faith in that as i believe many of these tasks can be done better by being on the terrain (except maybe the payroll thing). (ordering requires checking the things you buy, selling requires bargaining , etc ... All can be done better when being on the front in person)

I am finding many more men are enjoying at home work as well these days allowing them to have more quality time with family as well. Most of the people I know that are working from home are actually men, not women. They seem to enjoy the benefits from doing so just as much as women do.

If it works for them fine by me, i don't believe in the whole doing stuff from your home as anything you can do from home can be done better on the front.

 

What i do find ironic is that you can't seem to accept the fact i could only settle with an old fashioned women while you couldn't handle a man who doesn't pay the drinks... Quite funny how women nittpick what should be continued and what is ooooh so wrong. And all we should do is bend over and say yes to everything while expecting nothing to go our way.

 

Overseeing is not  one task,  not at all. It requires you take on many tasks at the same time to be able to properly handle the situations that arise.  You must be able to see the details and the whole picture in order to be able to determine the best course of action by weighing the pros and cons quickly and being able to make an informed decision and be capable  acting on it in an appropriate and timely manner. Many things are considered with this, not just one, otherwise you make a poor supervisor. 

I disagree that you must be present to check the order, by preordering samples and  using our video capabilities that  now allow for you to do just about anything remotely.  Bargaining  is also done in this way as well, but moreso along the lines of bidding on pallets and such, or negotiating quantity prices directly from the manufacturer. We still communicate verbally and  there is no reason to do this in person anymore, as we can now accomplish these things without having to fly to Hong Kong.

I completely disagree about the necessity of being onsite to conduct business, and see that as a waste of resource, time and money. It is an unecessary expenditure that slows down transactions and decreases profits rather than increases them.

Go and bake me a Pie! ....Eric Cartman

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Praetoriani

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by deviliscious

 

Traditonally, in my culture, The women were in charge of economy, business, home and family.  There was not a problem of the household not being attended to, because women conducted business from their homes. It is a design flaw in your society that requires women to work outside the home that is the problem there, not that women should not conduct business. No offense but the system you refer to cannot work, period. Only menial tasks can be performed from your house. You can't go have business meetings at your home, personal contact is needed. And most jobs simply cannot in any conceivable ways be performed in your home. You can't be a cop, soldier, construction worker, manager , etc. from your home, you need to be on the field, period.

  It is refreshing though to see that your" advanced civilization", has now been progressing forward to the " work at home mom" and shifting in regards to more home based businesses, which I personally consider the advanced model, that the tribes were using for thousands of years that your society is finally catching up with.

You can only do so much from your home and even for tasks you do at home at one point or an other you'll need to go somewhere else (you work on a project at home and than you'll need to present it , maybe to multiple people, maybe than need to revise it , cooperate with others which could be much easier if you're all in the same room, etc.)

I would also like to add that having some part time job you can do at home while taking care of said home doesn't disturb me in the least. My concern lies with partners who think it's more important to prove they are "emancipated feminists" rather than actually ensuring the home is well taken care off. (no i don't believe in daycare centers and alike)

Women are more subtle in their ways to let a man know she is interested. We talk with our eyes. Men have cued into this over the generations and know what " the look" means. 

I suck at body language, so you can do whatever you want with your eyes, i won't see it (and i'm fairly certain there are many like me). Unless you're crying or have eyes that look like you didn't sleep for 2 days your eyes say nothing to me.

 

 

 

 

Of course all jobs do not allow for you to work from home, but many do. Women do not always have small children to attend to at home either.  Your views on who can do a job better are quite narrowminded as well, considering women are proven  far superior at multitasking then men, it does not surprise me you would not understand that concept and see that women should only specialize because that is how men function.

 

No, they are not better at multitasking than men. For every sensationalist story that hits the news, there are ten peer-reviewed research articles with a substantial sample group from reputable cognitive psychologists and neurologists that usually prove the exact opposite. 

New studies have proven that in fact men and women think different, our brains ARE different, and that we use different parts of the brain to process information.  With the advancments in technology, we are really starting to be able to understand these things better than in the past.  Women and men use different parts of their brains in different ways, as well as there being distinctive differences in the actual physical aspects to the male and female brain.  Much progress is being made in this area in recent years,  and yes, we are in fact " wired" differently.

 Wait, so besides men having penises and women having vaginas.. there are MORE differences?  I ought to slap my 4th grade teacher.

..  

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Praetoriani

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by deviliscious

 

Traditonally, in my culture, The women were in charge of economy, business, home and family.  There was not a problem of the household not being attended to, because women conducted business from their homes. It is a design flaw in your society that requires women to work outside the home that is the problem there, not that women should not conduct business. No offense but the system you refer to cannot work, period. Only menial tasks can be performed from your house. You can't go have business meetings at your home, personal contact is needed. And most jobs simply cannot in any conceivable ways be performed in your home. You can't be a cop, soldier, construction worker, manager , etc. from your home, you need to be on the field, period.

  It is refreshing though to see that your" advanced civilization", has now been progressing forward to the " work at home mom" and shifting in regards to more home based businesses, which I personally consider the advanced model, that the tribes were using for thousands of years that your society is finally catching up with.

You can only do so much from your home and even for tasks you do at home at one point or an other you'll need to go somewhere else (you work on a project at home and than you'll need to present it , maybe to multiple people, maybe than need to revise it , cooperate with others which could be much easier if you're all in the same room, etc.)

I would also like to add that having some part time job you can do at home while taking care of said home doesn't disturb me in the least. My concern lies with partners who think it's more important to prove they are "emancipated feminists" rather than actually ensuring the home is well taken care off. (no i don't believe in daycare centers and alike)

Women are more subtle in their ways to let a man know she is interested. We talk with our eyes. Men have cued into this over the generations and know what " the look" means. 

I suck at body language, so you can do whatever you want with your eyes, i won't see it (and i'm fairly certain there are many like me). Unless you're crying or have eyes that look like you didn't sleep for 2 days your eyes say nothing to me.

 

 

 

 

Of course all jobs do not allow for you to work from home, but many do. Women do not always have small children to attend to at home either.  Your views on who can do a job better are quite narrowminded as well, considering women are proven  far superior at multitasking then men, it does not surprise me you would not understand that concept and see that women should only specialize because that is how men function.

 

No, they are not better at multitasking than men. For every sensationalist story that hits the news, there are ten peer-reviewed research articles with a substantial sample group from reputable cognitive psychologists and neurologists that usually prove the exact opposite. 

New studies have proven that in fact men and women think different, our brains ARE different, and that we use different parts of the brain to process information.  With the advancments in technology, we are really starting to be able to understand these things better than in the past.  Women and men use different parts of their brains in different ways, as well as there being distinctive differences in the actual physical aspects to the male and female brain.  Much progress is being made in this area in recent years,  and yes, we are in fact " wired" differently.

I know. I have a degree in neuropsychology. I was not refuting that there is a difference between men and women, I was refuting that women are better at multitasking given the wealth of studies about it. The only generalisations we can easily make is that men are better at spatial thinking and the logic associated with mathematics, whereas women have (on average) better verbal qualities. Note; these are generalisations and say nothing about individuals. Chomsky is a fantastic linguist whereas Marie Curie was a brilliant phycisist. 

Of course, there are more differences. But you can look those up in any textbook on biological psychology. 

Originally posted by deviliscious

Overseeing is not  one task,  not at all. It requires you take on many tasks at the same time to be able to properly handle the situations that arise.  You must be able to see the details and the whole picture in order to be able to determine the best course of action by weighing the pros and cons quickly and being able to make an informed decision and be capable  acting on it in an appropriate and timely manner. Many things are considered with this, not just one, otherwise you make a poor supervisor. 

I disagree that you must be present to check the order, by preordering samples and  using our video capabilities that  now allow for you to do just about anything remotely.  Bargaining  is also done in this way as well, but moreso along the lines of bidding on pallets and such, or negotiating quantity prices directly from the manufacturer. We still communicate verbally and  there is no reason to do this in person anymore, as we can now accomplish these things without having to fly to Hong Kong.

I completely disagree about the necessity of being onsite to conduct business, and see that as a waste of resource, time and money. It is an unecessary expenditure that slows down transactions and decreases profits rather than increases them.

 

First i think we have a misunderstanding on what is one task and what is not. All these things you describe belong to the same subject so to speak. All are related and when thinking of one you're also thinking of the other. I was actually more thinking about things that don't obviously go hand in hand. For me that's not really multitasking but than again i guess it's a blurry concept?

Secondly i believe we obviously both have different filosofies on how to conduct business. I personally would take someone who cba coming in person to discuss a deal less seriously as i'd consider it as not willing to put efforts into it and thus disrespectful. (unless there is an already existing relation). That's why i don't believe in it. Maybe it's a "passé" filosofy, who knows, time will tell i guess.

But let's not derail this totally. This was about dating habits (let's just  agree to disagree on the rest).

My point about dating habits is that those habits you like about men are habits that went hand in hand with the previous social paradigm. The social paradigm having shifted so should your expectations about said habbits.

Originally posted by Grahor

Originally posted by deviliscious

WOW.  Just wow.  Yes, my grandfather moved from the reservation, we do have a choice as to whether or not we want to live on one, as much as people think we should be separated from the rest of society, as to not influence their Christian ideals, we are people too and should have rights to choose where we live as well. People act as if we are all dead these days, but no,  my tribe has around 7,000 left on this planet, so no despite your ignorance of the fact that we still exist here, most of my family still lives on the reservation. Most here already know my feelings towards Columbus here.  Do you have any idea how disgusting your comments even are?  You did not remove enough inflammatory remarks considering you think all tribes are related to Pocohontas.  I do not know how to even respond to such things.  It kind of  reminds me of when I was a kid and that kid asked me why I wasn't going to be an " indian" for halloween.   Idiots...

 

Quite honestly, I simply don't care. We all have came from someone, some tribe or other, and I don't give a flying duck for that. How much do you care about glorious and bloody history of my Lithuanian ancestors fighting for 400+ years against German Crusaders or Livs or some of the Russian tribes from the other side of my family, or... Yes, that's how much I care about Hopi. Actually, at least I've heard about Hopi. Have you heard about seafaring expeditions of Kurland Duchy?

 

Anyway, that was them, and I'm not them, even though I'm their genetic descendant; my culture, my values, my language, my self-identification are completely different, and so are yours; the Hopi as they were are infinitely far away from you. You are an American, a Texan at that; no more Hopi than historic reenactment people are Roman legionaries or whatever.

 

You want to self-identify with them? Be my guest, but don't expect us to care about it.

Not even sure why I am responding to such ignorance,  We are NOT past. We are not dead.  My family is not far from me. These aren;t some ancient ancestors that are long gone here that we  do not know.  My sister, cousins, aunts, uncles still live on the reservation as they have for thousands of years. I am of the bear  clan. This is not past.:

  My family is not far from me In fact, I took this pic of my Nephew this afternoon:

No, we identify ourselves as Hopi, because that is who we are.  Yes, some of us have assimilated into American society, but that does not change who we are. Hopi is the name of our people. Not that you care  or anything....

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by deviliscious

Overseeing is not  one task,  not at all. It requires you take on many tasks at the same time to be able to properly handle the situations that arise.  You must be able to see the details and the whole picture in order to be able to determine the best course of action by weighing the pros and cons quickly and being able to make an informed decision and be capable  acting on it in an appropriate and timely manner. Many things are considered with this, not just one, otherwise you make a poor supervisor. 

I disagree that you must be present to check the order, by preordering samples and  using our video capabilities that  now allow for you to do just about anything remotely.  Bargaining  is also done in this way as well, but moreso along the lines of bidding on pallets and such, or negotiating quantity prices directly from the manufacturer. We still communicate verbally and  there is no reason to do this in person anymore, as we can now accomplish these things without having to fly to Hong Kong.

I completely disagree about the necessity of being onsite to conduct business, and see that as a waste of resource, time and money. It is an unecessary expenditure that slows down transactions and decreases profits rather than increases them.

 

First i think we have a misunderstanding on what is one task and what is not. All these things you describe belong to the same subject so to speak. All are related and when thinking of one you're also thinking of the other. I was actually more thinking about things that don't obviously go hand in hand. For me that's not really multitasking but than again i guess it's a blurry concept?

Secondly i believe we obviously both have different filosofies on how to conduct business. I personally would take someone who cba coming in person to discuss a deal less seriously as i'd consider it as not willing to put efforts into it and thus disrespectful. (unless there is an already existing relation). That's why i don't believe in it. Maybe it's a "passé" filosofy, who knows, time will tell i guess.

But let's not derail this totally. This was about dating habits (let's just  agree to disagree on the rest).

My point about dating habits is that those habits you like about men are habits that went hand in hand with the previous social paradigm. The social paradigm having shifted so should your expectations about said habbits.

Now that is where we differ. Women have always conducted business, and women have always been courted by men. I do not see that as anything that has changed, as my families history is different than yours. That is your families history, women always conducted business in mine, men always courted in mine.

Originally posted by deviliscious

Now that is where we differ. Women have always conducted business, and women have always been courted by men. I do not see that as anything that has changed, as my families history is different than yours. That is your families history, women always conducted business in mine, men always courted in mine.

Well i guess all i can add to this is to keep in mind where western men came from and that acting in a certain way may not be because of the reasons you suspect.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know all that. I just don't care. So some of your relatives live in a reservation, keeping traditions and ancient customs and language and things alive. That's called "museum" in modern world. And this is significant how? For anything real-world-related? Why should anyone care? I certainly don't.

Originally posted by Grahor

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know all that. I just don't care. So some of your relatives live in a reservation, keeping traditions and ancient customs and language and things alive. That's called "museum" in modern world. And this is significant how? For anything real-world-related? Why should anyone care? I certainly don't.

I think you shouldn't compare keeping old traditions alive of someone's heritage to a museum. Not that you have to care but i firmly believe keeping your heritage alive can be very important for someone.

Originally posted by generals3

I think you shouldn't compare keeping old traditions alive of someone's heritage to a museum. Not that you have to care but i firmly believe keeping your heritage alive can be very important for someone.

And keeping a history accessible to other through the museum is also very important, to plenty of people. I just don't see how it is in any way relevant to anything. But its a private matter, not relevant to other people.

Hopi lived the way they lived not because that way was important in itself, but because it's was the best know to them way, then, to interact with the world. Now, the world has changed and the ways to interact with it has changed. Keeping old traditions alive when they've lost their relevance is exactly what "museum" is.