Originally posted by BadSpock

Horde asks for a "pretty race" and gets Blood Elves, most rejoice, vocal minority hates and screams bloody murder for EMO elves.

Alliance wants more "bad ass" race and gets Worgen, most rejoice, vocal minority hates and screams bloody murder for twilight furries.

Fanbase asks for Pandaren, most rejoice, vocal minority hates and screams bloody murder for cute panda bears.

 

All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.

 

I did not see anywhere close of the uproar about pandas compared to your two examples. You guys can pretend this is normal all you like but the fact is that Panda bears can, in no way, be considered the same level as any other WoW race. Even Gnomes are more acceptable because they are an established race. Pandas are not and will never be an established High Fantasy race and it is purely for children and/or the asian market (where this cutesy nonsense can work).

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by BadSpock

Horde asks for a "pretty race" and gets Blood Elves, most rejoice, vocal minority hates and screams bloody murder for EMO elves.

Alliance wants more "bad ass" race and gets Worgen, most rejoice, vocal minority hates and screams bloody murder for twilight furries.

Fanbase asks for Pandaren, most rejoice, vocal minority hates and screams bloody murder for cute panda bears.

 

All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.

 

I did not see anywhere close of the uproar about pandas compared to your two examples. You guys can pretend this is normal all you like but the fact is that Panda bears can, in no way, be considered the same level as any other WoW race. Even Gnomes are more acceptable because they are an established race. Pandas are not and will never be an established High Fantasy race and it is purely for children and/or the asian market (where this cutesy nonsense can work).

http://www.wowwiki.com/Pandaren

Or if you like proof (and are to lazy to skim down) that its been around long before wow even existed...

http://classic.battle.net/war3/neutral/pandarenbrewmaster.shtml

Never say no to panda!!   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X21mJh6j9i4

To the OP:

Hey EQ1 had an ogre and they were popular. They made the best tanks since they couldn't be stunned from the front and the most hps!

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by BadSpock

Horde asks for a "pretty race" and gets Blood Elves, most rejoice, vocal minority hates and screams bloody murder for EMO elves.

Alliance wants more "bad ass" race and gets Worgen, most rejoice, vocal minority hates and screams bloody murder for twilight furries.

Fanbase asks for Pandaren, most rejoice, vocal minority hates and screams bloody murder for cute panda bears.

 

All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.

 

I did not see anywhere close of the uproar about pandas compared to your two examples. You guys can pretend this is normal all you like but the fact is that Panda bears can, in no way, be considered the same level as any other WoW race. Even Gnomes are more acceptable because they are an established race. Pandas are not and will never be an established High Fantasy race and it is purely for children and/or the asian market (where this cutesy nonsense can work).

Lol, are you kidding?  Heh, most of the talk about the Blood Elves - ahem - would have made the comments by Cannibal Corpse seem tame.

While there was not as much negative feedback about the Twilight Furries - there was no doubt how much of a joke many people made out of it.  It simply could be a case of there being that many more people posting rather than playing now - so the Panda discussion appears more, even though it may simply be proportional.

this topic, and all of the insane bickering, can be summed up with this 8 second clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U7Lqwl3Vzk&NR=1

Originally posted by MMOExposed

If people have got this heated over Blizzard adding a Panda race and saying they trying to copy "Fung Ku Panda",

I would hate to see the rage of players when a new MMO add a Ogre race. People would likely complain that that game is trying to copy Shrek. lol

Ogres would have been two things in WOW, COOL and part of the game Lore, which are two attributes the Pandas do not have. 

Also the Panda race will not kill the game, but then new LOL facepalm talent so called tree, that will.

Ogres existed in western Faerie takes for centurys before Shrek . Pandas with martial art skills existed nowhere before Kung Fu Panda . The only way the majority of people would find Ogres unacceptable is if they had some resemblance to Shrek . What a poorly thought out arguement in defense of the Pandarians .  I've seen some silly threads in my time but this had got to be up there with the silliest . Ah well it takes all kinds to make a world but thankfully theres not too many like this or we would all still be going around with square wheels now .

Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

Ogres existed in western Faerie takes for centurys before Shrek . Pandas with martial art skills existed nowhere before Kung Fu Panda . The only way the majority of people would find Ogres unacceptable is if they had some resemblance to Shrek . What a poorly thought out arguement in defense of the Pandarians .  I've seen some silly threads in my time but this had got to be up there with the silliest . Ah well it takes all kinds to make a world but thankfully theres not too many like this or we would all still be going around with square wheels now .

Actually, Pandaren dates back to April 1st, 2003 as an April Fools joke. Kung Fu Panda was released in 2008.

Not that I'm taking sides in this argument (I don't play WoW and have never played other than a free trial), but they are a part of the lore of Warcraft and they do pre-date Kung Fu Panda.

Originally posted by n2sooners

Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

Ogres existed in western Faerie takes for centurys before Shrek . Pandas with martial art skills existed nowhere before Kung Fu Panda . The only way the majority of people would find Ogres unacceptable is if they had some resemblance to Shrek . What a poorly thought out arguement in defense of the Pandarians .  I've seen some silly threads in my time but this had got to be up there with the silliest . Ah well it takes all kinds to make a world but thankfully theres not too many like this or we would all still be going around with square wheels now .

Actually, Pandaren dates back to April 1st, 2003 as an April Fools joke. Kung Fu Panda was released in 2008.

Not that I'm taking sides in this argument (I don't play WoW and have never played other than a free trial), but they are a part of the lore of Warcraft and they do pre-date Kung Fu Panda.

That's kind of the point though.

Pandaren were not an official part of Warcraft lore until well after the movie Kung-Fu Panada was released. As you said, Pandaren were introduced originally as a joke in 2003. It wasn't until the recent MoP announcement that Pandaren were actually recognized as an actual serious piece of Warcraft lore, where they had previously only been one of Blizzard's numerous "jokes" that weren't meant to be taken as a serious part of warcraft's main lore.

Similar to how pop culture character references like Ophera Windfury and Haris Pilton exist as characters, but their existence is to serve more as a joke than as a meaningful plot device to contribute to the main storyline of the game.

To me, adding Pandaren to WoW is akin to if Blizzard were to actually add Tauren marines to Starcraft as a playable unit and serious addition to the game's story.

the irony of this thread is that ogres are a popular choice when WoW fans talk about adding a new race, and they are already very important to the lore, and have been since the begining of the franchise (yes, they appeared in Warcraft 1)

while ogres certainly may not have been EVERYONES first choice for a new race, i cant imagin ANYONE really objecting. 

personally, i think it was a huge mistake to replace ogres with tauren in the first place, as the hordes big barshy race.  taurens have been a joke since the beginning. this should have tipped blizzard off to the probable reception of the pandarians.

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Originally posted by Ceridith

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Originally posted by n2sooners

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Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

Ogres existed in western Faerie takes for centurys before Shrek . Pandas with martial art skills existed nowhere before Kung Fu Panda . The only way the majority of people would find Ogres unacceptable is if they had some resemblance to Shrek . What a poorly thought out arguement in defense of the Pandarians .  I've seen some silly threads in my time but this had got to be up there with the silliest . Ah well it takes all kinds to make a world but thankfully theres not too many like this or we would all still be going around with square wheels now .

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Actually, Pandaren dates back to April 1st, 2003 as an April Fools joke. Kung Fu Panda was released in 2008.
Not that I'm taking sides in this argument (I don't play WoW and have never played other than a free trial), but they are a part of the lore of Warcraft and they do pre-date Kung Fu Panda.

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That's kind of the point though.
Pandaren were not an official part of Warcraft lore until well after the movie Kung-Fu Panada was released. As you said, Pandaren were introduced originally as a joke in 2003. It wasn't until the recent MoP announcement that Pandaren were actually recognized as an actual serious piece of Warcraft lore, where they had previously only been one of Blizzard's numerous "jokes" that weren't meant to be taken as a serious part of warcraft's main lore.
Similar to how pop culture character references like Ophera Windfury and Haris Pilton exist as characters, but their existence is to serve more as a joke than as a meaningful plot device to contribute to the main storyline of the game.
To me, adding Pandaren to WoW is akin to if Blizzard were to actually add Tauren marines to Starcraft.

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Originally posted by lizardbones

My response would be, "So what?" Just because they started as a joke doesn't mean it's a bad idea. It doesn't mean that they can't make a decent expansion out of it either.

 

exactly.  the panda's are a bad choice for a myriad of more obvious reasons.

1) they confirmed that WoW is heading towards furry town, and nowhere else.

2) they, and the expansion they represent are proof that WoW is now in the business of making real world business deals the themes of whatever new products they put out.

3)They are the most bland race yet (other than hairstyles, they all identical)

4)they are cutesy plush toys.

5)Blizzard is essentially admitting that they fit neither faction, therefore deploying them on both. (why wouldnt the mercenary goblins do this)

6)They are played for cute and cuddly, and not vicious, so everyone making this arguement that noone would slap a panda irl in the face should shut up.  panda bears lay on their asses all day long and cram bamboo down their throats.  if a panda and grizzly bear fought, the grizzlyès neices and nephews would all be getting panda skin boots for xmas.

7)there a trillion more fitting and more popular choices.

8) the pandas make any mixed race group feel like a special ed immersion program.

should i continue...

Originally posted by n2sooners

Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

Ogres existed in western Faerie takes for centurys before Shrek . Pandas with martial art skills existed nowhere before Kung Fu Panda . The only way the majority of people would find Ogres unacceptable is if they had some resemblance to Shrek . What a poorly thought out arguement in defense of the Pandarians .  I've seen some silly threads in my time but this had got to be up there with the silliest . Ah well it takes all kinds to make a world but thankfully theres not too many like this or we would all still be going around with square wheels now .

Actually, Pandaren dates back to April 1st, 2003 as an April Fools joke. Kung Fu Panda was released in 2008.

Not that I'm taking sides in this argument (I don't play WoW and have never played other than a free trial), but they are a part of the lore of Warcraft and they do pre-date Kung Fu Panda.

Maybe but the combination of martial arts Monk and Panda were only made after Kung Fu Panda . Also given they were an april fools joke means they were once considered as such by Blizzard at the time . That in itself speaks volumes .

Originally posted by lizardbones

 

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Originally posted by Ceridith

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Originally posted by n2sooners

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Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

Ogres existed in western Faerie takes for centurys before Shrek . Pandas with martial art skills existed nowhere before Kung Fu Panda . The only way the majority of people would find Ogres unacceptable is if they had some resemblance to Shrek . What a poorly thought out arguement in defense of the Pandarians .  I've seen some silly threads in my time but this had got to be up there with the silliest . Ah well it takes all kinds to make a world but thankfully theres not too many like this or we would all still be going around with square wheels now .

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Actually, Pandaren dates back to April 1st, 2003 as an April Fools joke. Kung Fu Panda was released in 2008.
Not that I'm taking sides in this argument (I don't play WoW and have never played other than a free trial), but they are a part of the lore of Warcraft and they do pre-date Kung Fu Panda.

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That's kind of the point though.
Pandaren were not an official part of Warcraft lore until well after the movie Kung-Fu Panada was released. As you said, Pandaren were introduced originally as a joke in 2003. It wasn't until the recent MoP announcement that Pandaren were actually recognized as an actual serious piece of Warcraft lore, where they had previously only been one of Blizzard's numerous "jokes" that weren't meant to be taken as a serious part of warcraft's main lore.
Similar to how pop culture character references like Ophera Windfury and Haris Pilton exist as characters, but their existence is to serve more as a joke than as a meaningful plot device to contribute to the main storyline of the game.
To me, adding Pandaren to WoW is akin to if Blizzard were to actually add Tauren marines to Starcraft.

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My response would be, "So what?" Just because they started as a joke doesn't mean it's a bad idea. It doesn't mean that they can't make a decent expansion out of it either.

 

Actually because it is a joke  always it means its not to be taken seriously because its such a bad idea .  You would be supporting the playable wisp race if Blizzard serverd one up ( also an April fools joke by Blizzard ) you may be saying" so what" in here out of some misguided loyalty but in quietly I bet your thinking "oh no" .

Not that you'd ever admit it .

Originally posted by Breagha
The thing about Pandaren is that they are nothing more than a panda furry. I don't usually mind furries in particular, but to throw them into a decidedly classic fantasy setting is... Really bad taste.

"But taurens are just cow furries!"

Cow furries are called minotaurs and belong in a classic fantasy setting.

While it may be a decidedly classic fantasy setting... WoW is not a decidedly class fantasy style.

I get the gist of it though... pandas are not a Western thing.  They're not indigenous.  They are not a part of our folklore.

So with the combination of Blizzard working some on their Eastern market and in keeping with the style of the game - pandas do not really not fit as much as many would complain.

World of Warcraft has finally become, World of Childcraft plain and simple! The game was too hard for them, so it was simplified, its still considered too hard, so they continue to simplify it.

Kids are the masses in WoW, its no longer the 20's-30's and therefore Blizzard is simply adapting to their new customer base a younger one at that. like it or hate it, its here and will continue to grow.

Originally posted by huntard

World of Warcraft has finally become, World of Childcraft plain and simple! The game was too hard for them, so it was simplified, its still considered too hard, so they continue to simplify it.

Kids are the masses in WoW, its no longer the 20's-30's and therefore Blizzard is simply adapting to their new customer base a younger one at that. like it or hate it, its here and will continue to grow.

 

what does blizz adding a new race have anything to do with the game being simplified?

Originally posted by huntard

World of Warcraft has finally become, World of Childcraft plain and simple! The game was too hard for them, so it was simplified, its still considered too hard, so they continue to simplify it.

Kids are the masses in WoW, its no longer the 20's-30's and therefore Blizzard is simply adapting to their new customer base a younger one at that. like it or hate it, its here and will continue to grow.

 

Ive heard this before  and would ask a question if I may. When was WOW hard? Ive played since vanilla and dont recall it being hard. Perhaps more challenging at times  but not hard.  If you want hard I would suggest some old school stuff like Castlevania or maybe something more modern like Demon Souls. You not gonna find that kind of "hard" in a modern MMO.