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  Clerigo

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11/01/11 10:07:07 AM#141

Theres nothing strange about this move by Blizz. I do think previous expansions proved that Blizz marketing department is full of professionals that know what they are doing. For Blizzard, WoW is, ever since TBC expansion came out, a way to make money, and why not? Why should this company be any different from anyother trying to make profit?

Following the sistematic dumb down of this game, the easy cake going around, wolfs, green midgets and now the cute pandas, everything is being made to atract more player base. What? Do you really think they would let WoW fall into the ranks of those games where you quit in the first couple of days because its too hard to play it and no cute toons to pick?

There are 2 types of gamers that dont stick to WoW when they start to play it: the ones playing mmos with the pretty lights and scnearios and when these guys log to WoW they are "wtf?? this is horrible" and delete the game, and vet players that know what they want in an mmo, they know that they cant find it anymore in WoW, and they part to another cruise control trip to other mmos trying to find that one mmo that can still keep them busy and entertained.

I played WoW for 4 years, and im the one to say that its still the best gaming experience i ever had, but that experience is not available to newcomers now. Everything now is "click-to-join", no world exploration, complete areas deserted, complete cities deserted, no questing for the game lore anymore, ppl just Q for dungeons and pvp, everything feels dead or static. Wheres the coop party for questing, exploring the world, the path you had to make to get into the entrance of a dungeon, the epic questing arcs...sigh..getting tired.

Well good luck to everyone paying for the panda. Could be fun, dont know.

  Ceridith

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The more you hype an upcoming game in your mind, the more it will fail to meet your expectations.

11/01/11 10:18:03 AM#142
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by Cecropia
People can defend the direction that Blizzy is taking WoW until they're blue in the face. But, nothing can change the fact that this mmo is going down an obvious path of Easternization. If you can't see this you're either beyond naive or deep in denial.




If that is indeed what they are doing, what's wrong with it? What, exactly, is the issue with appealing to your largest audience?

 

It's a problem when doing so alienates large portions of your existing customerbase.

It's Blizzard's IP and game, and they can do whatever they want with it. But that doesn't mean that people have to put up with said changes. They're free to dislike and voice their opinion of the changes just as much as Blizzard can do whatever they want with the game. They're also free to stop playing the game, which a steadily growing number of players in the west are choosing to do.

  Zenjinx

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Joined: 9/30/11
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11/01/11 10:35:01 AM#143
Originally posted by Ceridith

It's a problem when doing so alienates large portions of your existing customerbase.

How exactly are they alienating a large proportion? I don't see it. I see some very vocal people who are displeased, and repeating themselves over and over, but I do not see your point here.

Some like it, some dislike it. Only time will tell if it is a downfall or not.

I will assume though, that they continue to be profitable. This alone makes these anti-panda arguments futile to say the least.

  lizardbones

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11/01/11 10:59:06 AM#144


Originally posted by Zenjinx


Originally posted by Ceridith

It's a problem when doing so alienates large portions of your existing customerbase.


How exactly are they alienating a large proportion? I don't see it. I see some very vocal people who are displeased, and repeating themselves over and over, but I do not see your point here.
Some like it, some dislike it. Only time will tell if it is a downfall or not.
I will assume though, that they continue to be profitable. This alone makes these anti-panda arguments futile to say the least.



This is kind of what I'm thinking. How do you tell the difference between 'Large' and 'Loud' on forums?

Anyway, they've only just now started releasing information. There will be more. More raids, more PvP features, and (hopefully) a real money auction house. They could be angling to replace all the people who constantly hate on the game with people that just want to play a game.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  DeViLzzz2007

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Joined: 10/21/07
Posts: 107

11/01/11 11:00:09 AM#145

I don't care about the pandas.  What I care about is me giving money to a company that just wants to continue to let its player base dictate how much a player plays per week making for a very unhealthy experience especially for those who also do end game.  Blizzard since you won't fix this I am done with the game.  You are the leader in mmorpgs and clearly have no interest in not letting the nuts run the nuthouse so well I will take my money elsewhere.  Blizzard you have an opportunity to change mmorpgs into a healthy experience without ruining the fun and difficulty of the game/content and you have done very little.  Sorry but a 2 week optional raid lockout isn't what I call really helpful in terms of making mmorpgs better health wise.

Money is the root of all evil.

  Robokapp

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The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

11/01/11 11:01:29 AM#146
This is kind of what I'm thinking. How do you tell the difference between 'Large' and 'Loud' on forums?

 

you don't. you speculate and wait for Q4 numbers.

 

isn't that anual pass though a hint that the developers themselves are not exactly certain that the reception will be positive though?

  Zenjinx

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Joined: 9/30/11
Posts: 344

11/01/11 11:14:26 AM#147
Originally posted by Robokapp
 

isn't that anual pass though a hint that the developers themselves are not exactly certain that the reception will be positive though?

I take it as pure marketing in the face of new games being released which will have wide appeal. I do not take it as some kind of insecurity on Blizzards' behalf. In fact, I would say the 12 month + D3 free is a direct assault on the other game companies. A "how ya like me now" approach. This is just opinion though.

  Robokapp

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The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

11/01/11 11:23:04 AM#148
Originally posted by Zenjinx
Originally posted by Robokapp
 

isn't that anual pass though a hint that the developers themselves are not exactly certain that the reception will be positive though?

I take it as pure marketing in the face of new games being released which will have wide appeal. I do not take it as some kind of insecurity on Blizzards' behalf. In fact, I would say the 12 month + D3 free is a direct assault on the other game companies. A "how ya like me now" approach. This is just opinion though.

well if it is or isnt "PURELY" jsut that is the issue.

 

and we dont know. it's entirely up for interpretation. I don't share your take on it but typing out why would be pointless since I know I cant convince somone differently. I simply dont have any evidence.

  lizardbones

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Joined: 6/11/08
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I've become dependent upon spell check. My apologies for stupid grammatical errors.

11/01/11 11:24:57 AM#149


Originally posted by Robokapp


This is kind of what I'm thinking. How do you tell the difference between 'Large' and 'Loud' on forums?

 


you don't. you speculate and wait for Q4 numbers.
 
isn't that anual pass though a hint that the developers themselves are not exactly certain that the reception will be positive though?



I would expect that the only people who would really consider a year pass would be people who expect to be playing for a year anyway. I would be surprised if Blizzard didn't expect this too. It seems more likely that the result will be WoW+Diablo Players or WoW Only Players in Diablo III, not Diablo III players in WoW. I don't see the Diablo players I know forking out $180.00 to play Diablo III when they can play it for $60.

The only thing I can say for sure, with 100% certainly on this is that Blizzard thinks they can make more money by offering a year of WoW and giving Diablo III away for free than they can by doing both separately.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  Zenjinx

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Joined: 9/30/11
Posts: 344

11/01/11 11:26:13 AM#150
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Zenjinx
Originally posted by Robokapp
 

isn't that anual pass though a hint that the developers themselves are not exactly certain that the reception will be positive though?

I take it as pure marketing in the face of new games being released which will have wide appeal. I do not take it as some kind of insecurity on Blizzards' behalf. In fact, I would say the 12 month + D3 free is a direct assault on the other game companies. A "how ya like me now" approach. This is just opinion though.

well if it is or isnt "PURELY" jsut that is the issue.

 

and we dont know. it's entirely up for interpretation. I don't share your take on it but typing out why would be pointless since I know I cant convince somone differently. I simply dont have any evidence.

I know that you don't share my take on it. That is why I offered my opinion. Read my last sentence. You really didn't need to reply. It wasn't a debate, just a counter-opinion.

  kostoslav

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Joined: 5/27/09
Posts: 467

11/01/11 11:28:39 AM#151

isn't that anual pass though a hint that the developers themselves are not exactly certain that the reception will be positive though?

I took annual pass. By purchasing that I will not play SW: TOR till next year or any other game with the sub. (I have LOTRO and will have GW2 if I get bored with WoW)

  zaylin

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Joined: 4/11/06
Posts: 789

11/01/11 11:35:22 AM#152
Originally posted by gobla

I'm just highly amused by most of the reactions.

Can't help but snicker at those believing that playing a half-naked barbarian chick in a chain bikini or a big manly marine with a big manly gun shooting big manly bullets is for some reason more adult and mature then playing a panda.

If you want adult and mature go read literature, become politically active or do volunteer work.

If you want to just have fun come back to play some games and stop whining about the pandas. Because, beyond a very, very, very small selection of games, none of them MMOs, there isn't anything adult or mature going on here; It's 'merely' a lot of fun.

THIS!  To many people  miss the point of what  games are suppose to be about. Fun,enjoyment,and relaxation . and your so right about the adult/mature thing lol...

  lizardbones

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Joined: 6/11/08
Posts: 9967

I've become dependent upon spell check. My apologies for stupid grammatical errors.

11/01/11 11:40:23 AM#153


Originally posted by kostoslav


isn't that anual pass though a hint that the developers themselves are not exactly certain that the reception will be positive though?


I took annual pass. By purchasing that I will not play SW: TOR till next year or any other game with the sub. (I have LOTRO and will have GW2 if I get bored with WoW)



There is a good chance that nearly all WoW players will try SW:ToR, GW2, TSW or one of the other half dozen or so mmorpg coming out in 2012. Offering people a bribe for a year's commitment makes perfect sense. There is very little you can do to combat the qualities of 'New Game' and 'Not A Piece Of Cr@p'. A direct bribe (Diablo III) makes sense, especially when that bribe brings players into a Blizzard property.

So yeah, they are worried about the response to MoP, but not because of the quality of the expansion (it's almost irrelevant) but because of the environment MoP is being released into. WoW suddenly has competition and it's already improving things for the consumer (more stuff for less money).

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  Robokapp

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11/01/11 11:40:58 AM#154
Originally posted by kostoslav

isn't that anual pass though a hint that the developers themselves are not exactly certain that the reception will be positive though?

I took annual pass. By purchasing that I will not play SW: TOR till next year or any other game with the sub. (I have LOTRO and will have GW2 if I get bored with WoW)

I have the anual pass. I have no problem with letting my account rot while paying for it but getting D3 because...Beta. the anual pass gives me Beta. in MoP isnt for me, I'll know first-hand. so...

 

scenario 1). i'm happy with MoP. I'll play for next year anyway. Free diablo.

scenario 2). i'm not happy with MoP. I find this out in Beta. I get diablo, and i dont buy MoP only to find out I dont like it. Since i have beta.

 

now in scenario 2, D3+MoP add up to about 10 months of subscription. Unless the Beta starts in the next month, I either break even or win. I can quit playing WoW without quitting paying for it. It's no problem...the money wont keep me playing. It' one hour's salary for one month of in-game time.

  Elivo

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Posts: 70

11/02/11 7:59:50 AM#155
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by precious328
They can say whatever they want. The fact of the matter is this: the Panda has been bringing in TONS of complains, e.g., sassy, kiddy-like, april-fools lore, etc. It was a bad move, IMO. They could've done so much more - something unique.



Where are these complaints? They aren't on Blizzards forums. Maybe the complaints are on sites like this, where everyone hates WoW anyway...but from Blizzard's perspective, their paying customers have been asking for pandas for years. They brought it up as a joke and the people who give them money loved it and then begged Blizzard for it.

 

There have been tons of complaint posts about MOP, but they seem to mysteriously keep going away?!

I have seen and taken part in at least a dozen or more threads, started by different people (or different toons anyway) and they have all been removed from the forums.

Blizz seems to want to keep the people that are vocal about MOP being a huge mistake out of the forums.

  Silverbranch

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Wherever you go, there you are.

2/24/12 9:04:05 AM#156

Originally posted by Robokapp

I have the anual pass. I have no problem with letting my account rot while paying for it but getting D3 because...Beta. the anual pass gives me Beta. in MoP isnt for me, I'll know first-hand. so...


 scenario 1). i'm happy with MoP. I'll play for next year anyway. Free diablo.


scenario 2). i'm not happy with MoP. I find this out in Beta. I get diablo, and i dont buy MoP only to find out I dont like it. Since i have beta.


now in scenario 2, D3+MoP add up to about 10 months of subscription. Unless the Beta starts in the next month, I either break even or win. I can quit playing WoW without quitting paying for it. It's no problem...the money wont keep me playing. It' one hour's salary for one month of in-game time.



 


Beware the accountant's choice of strategies if it takes away from your ONLY means of truly communicating to a gaming company with the only piece of power you have as a subscriber:


Your sub dollar.


You know what would actually help Blizzard in the long run, for real?  Something that would truly cause them to wake up, pinch themselves, and get down to some serious design work?


Having 10 million people unsub . . . for one month.  Not continue to throw dollars at them while playing another game, but a flat out stoppage of $ for one month.


Sort of like how a Defibrilator works on the heart.  Go look that up.


Wherever you go, there you are.

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