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  shanert

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10/31/11 10:27:26 AM#21

Russ Brown works there, too, and he confirmed it (by the end of August 2011) for 2012.


  popinjay

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Aaron Rodgers>Brett Favre

10/31/11 10:30:11 AM#22


Originally posted by Puremallace


Originally posted by popinjay

It's just that it's a low priority (housing/fishing) in Rift right now because those things would not affect the economy in any positive way or advance the game in Trion's eyes. They probably think adding more dungeons/raids, and continue to fix the PA system as more important.



1.6 is a new island
1.7 looks to be Planetouched Wilds
 
There big thing it seems is adding more land mass to the game and packing it with stuff to do. I think instant adventure for sure will keep hordes of people in the old zones like Shimmersand and Stillmoor, but they really do need more land mass.
 
My big thing is we need another race even if there homeland is to like level 6, then you are done we need something other then then the time traveler thing. 1.7 I could NOT HOPE to tell you what in the hell they are working on over there. Me and several other people have tried for the past two months to even get a screenshot and you can not even get close to it anymore.


New areas are definitely needed first; the game has a very small feel to it since launch. Areas can be added easily in the sense you don't need but a "token" amount of lore to give backstory ("this area was recently discovered and no one can tell what the future of blah blah blah...") for people to run around in.


The problem is what you are specifically asking for as far as a new race. Rift being new is still setting a story regarding the factions. If Trion has one new race done but under wraps, it would be foolhardy to release that because it would automatically mean BOTH FACTIONS would have access to it, killing any real dynamic. So instead of being halfway to a new expansion with new backstory (two warring races to add to both), they would then have to start over from scratch for an expansion with no races at all.

So it's better to hold one race which MAY be almost done, and then work on the other and release them both as expansion with two new zones. It gives them the option to charge for the expansion as well because people would probably pay money for two new races and two new zones, but no one would pay for one neutral race unless there is already a huge selection of races to choose from existing like in WoW.

  popinjay

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Aaron Rodgers>Brett Favre

10/31/11 10:31:35 AM#23


Originally posted by shanert
Russ Brown works there, too, and he confirmed it (by the end of August 2011) for 2012.

Provide link please? /curious

Considering my link is from October 2011 (last month), I'd think that is pretty good evidence to the contrary.


  Puremallace

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10/31/11 10:34:26 AM#24

This is google translate on that article, so this gives a general idea of the direction of the game.


"""


At this point we really thought that it would be over, but Russia had more in stock! He told us that there will be first solid details for the first addon of RIFT beginning of the year, but he had already once hinted that you've got a whole new world and you consider the time, if you lift the level cap. But this is not yet set in stone. Furthermore, we will see next year, new hairstyles, which are then published simultaneously with the barber shop. Housing is also working diligently on what's for next year's list!


"""""


  shanert

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10/31/11 10:34:33 AM#25



Originally posted by popinjay



 











Originally posted by shanert



Russ Brown works there, too, and he confirmed it (by the end of August 2011) for 2012.







 




Provide link please? /curious




 




 







 




You have answered the post with the link ;)





So, it is the VP of development (Russ Brown) vs. Cindy ... from the community-team. Sooooo ...

  shanert

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10/31/11 10:37:49 AM#26

So, it's Russel Brown, the VP of Development vs. Cindy ... someone from the Community-Team.


 


You can make the decision ... I've made mine :D


  popinjay

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10/31/11 10:38:33 AM#27


Originally posted by Puremallace
This is google translate on that article, so this gives a general idea of the direction of the game."""At this point we really thought that it would be over, but Russia had more in stock! He told us that there will be first solid details for the first addon of RIFT beginning of the year, but he had already once hinted that you've got a whole new world and you consider the time, if you lift the level cap. But this is not yet set in stone. Furthermore, we will see next year, new hairstyles, which are then published simultaneously with the barber shop. Housing is also working diligently on what's for next year's list!"""""

This will be interesting to see as a pretty loose comment, since you don't have a direct quote from the employee. We know how accurate reporters can be, especially given language translations. :)


I can remember a quote given about the cross server LFG reported as definitely being in there by reporters, then later 'reclarified' as "if needed".


I'm extremely doubtful housing will be added in 2012, but it would be a good thing for the game if it was.

  popinjay

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Aaron Rodgers>Brett Favre

10/31/11 10:39:10 AM#28


Originally posted by shanert
So, it's Russel Brown, the VP of Development vs. Cindy ... someone from the Community-Team. You can make the decision ... I've made mine :D


Originally posted by shanert      You have answered the post with the link ;)

I could.. if you provided a link to HIM actually saying it.

Still haven't seen him admitting that. Not trying to be argumentative, but it's not a direct quote.

  teakbois

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10/31/11 10:49:21 AM#29

The expansion is Rifts big chance.


 


So far the devs have done everything for current customers and little for those that have left.  The two biggest complaints from the people that left are that Rift is a small, linear experience and that it lacks a certain flair, or soul.


 


They could drop a whole new continent on us, like kunark, with 2 (or 4) new warring races and have them better developed than what was at start.  Then you can flesh out the original races by how they react to the new races.  This is just an example, but there are multiple ways you could dothings to give the world some depth


 


The other thing I would like to see, and this is less likely to happen so most are eprfectly happy with the system, is some tweaks to the ascended soul system.  I would like unique abilities to people that go deep into two different trees.  For instance...Ranger/Marksmen would get some type of arrow atack.  Ranger/Bard can get a group pet enchance buff.


 


If they keep the updates status quo I think the game wont have any growth.  it will still be around a long time like eq2, but it wont develop into a major factor in the long run.  If they flesh the game out in an expansion a lot of people, like me, will likely give it a second look.


  popinjay

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10/31/11 10:57:07 AM#30


Originally posted by teakbois

They could drop a whole new continent on us, like kunark, with 2 (or 4) new warring races and have them better developed than what was at start.  Then you can flesh out the original races by how they react to the new races.



This makes the most sense to me with a twist... they need to finish fleshing out the existing content BEFORE the new expansion.

Things like the PA system need major work; you can't even see what the next tiers are yet and what they do because apparently they haven't even been invented yet. They still have more balancing (which I think is more important because you have PvP people still upset over that) and they have to do a better itemization job and more debugging.


Putting in their expansion early would just be more things to have to fix and correct, and they also exclude a chance to make that a paid expansion which I'm sure they'd want to do. If they weren't going to give the base a chance to earn those spider mounts, I highly doubt they'd be willing to give away two new races, two new zones and a complete expansion for free either.

Trion is doing the right thing but not putting new races in right now.. better to hold that stuff until after TOR and maybe GW2 launches as a counter, which means more likely Summer 2012 (for GW2).

  teakbois

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10/31/11 11:03:54 AM#31

Originally posted by popinjay

 


 


They still have more balancing (which I think is more important because you have PvP people still upset over that) 



 


These people will never be happy.  Even if game is in perfect balance, a skilled player will come along and kick their ass and they will whine about them being overpowered


  Puremallace

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10/31/11 11:07:20 AM#32
Originally posted by teakbois

These people will never be happy.  Even if game is in perfect balance, a skilled player will come along and kick their ass and they will whine about them being overpowered

My favorite part about Guild Wars 2 qq right there. Ever watch someone qq while playing Halo or another console game where you have no gear advantage. GW2 pushing that skill based pvp will be the same and people will still says classes are OP and qq rage quit the game.

 

I am not pushing RvR in a two faction game like Rift, but a Wintergrasp type thing would work for me even if it was instanced.

  teakbois

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10/31/11 11:08:12 AM#33

Originally posted by popinjay

 


 




Putting in their expansion early would just be more things to have to fix and correct, and they also exclude a chance to make that a paid expansion which I'm sure they'd want to do. If they weren't going to give the base a chance to earn those spider mounts, I highly doubt they'd be willing to give away two new races, two new zones and a complete expansion for free either.


 


 


Trion is doing the right thing but not putting new races in right now.. better to hold that stuff until after TOR and maybe GW2 launches as a counter, which means more likely Summer 2012 (for GW2).



 


Yeah, I did say the stuff I suggested was for an expansion.  Ine year is generally the standard amount of time for an expansion, Rift could udnerstandably take a little longer since theyve had to add a lot of endgame content already and several new things on top of that.


 


But they cant wait more than 18 months either.  By then we will already be hearing about SWToR's expansion, and probably Titan information and EQNext information will be starting to leak.  In other words, Rift wont be so new anymore and people less likely to go back when there is other new things on the horizon.


  popinjay

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10/31/11 11:17:03 AM#34


Originally posted by teakbois

 Yeah, I did say the stuff I suggested was for an expansion.  Ine year is generally the standard amount of time for an expansion, Rift could udnerstandably take a little longer since theyve had to add a lot of endgame content already and several new things on top of that. But they cant wait more than 18 months either.


 By then we will already be hearing about SWToR's expansion, and probably Titan information and EQNext information will be starting to leak.  In other words, Rift wont be so new anymore and people less likely to go back when there is other new things on the horizon.



They won't wait 18 months (at least from the date it is now), but waiting 18 months from launch isn't out of the realm for an expansion and won't hurt Rift at all. That would place it right about the time I said it would/should happen: Summer 2012 approximately.

That gives Rift a new expansion after TOR has been out for half a year and possibly after just missing GW2 launch. TOR won't be talking expansion six months out I don't think because they have an awful lot of replayable content unlike Rift with it's "one toon" setup.


My guess is: Expansion Summer/late summer with two races/two zones.. housing after that for 2013 as a non-expansion feature (patch).

  Puremallace

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10/31/11 11:43:58 AM#35

Well obvious timeline for Rift is as follows:


1. Some type of fire based raid involving Maelforge..1.6!??!1.7!?!?


2. Some type of earth based raid involving Laethsys in a new zone?!?!


3. Some type of air based raid involving Crucia in Iron Pine Peak where she is trapped


4. Then you got Regulos the last boss


 


After that expansion could be going to the actual planes to take out the real dragons and not their avatars. I can predict what the raiding will atleast look like, but as to how and where I am clueless. They seem to be really like this 6-8 week content release schedule, so do the math and expansion comes around Summer 2012


  Elethon

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10/31/11 11:48:27 AM#36

* Improve the games performance especially with raids/invasions.


*wardrobe for weapons


*barbershop


*Something else to buy with Plaques of Achievement


 


  Illyssia

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10/31/11 11:52:03 AM#37
Originally posted by Puremallace

Well obvious timeline for Rift is as follows:


4. Then you got Regulos the last boss

 

This is why I don't like Rift, even the names are kinda rushed, e.g. 
 
Noun
Regulo
= Any number of temperatures to which a gas oven may be set.
 
The lore for rift was written in a couple of bar room sessions, what a shame Trion didn't hire professional (and good for that matter) writing staff to craft a decent lore with good names, as it is there are all these crappy names like Regulos.
  Ecoces

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10/31/11 12:03:12 PM#38

id also like to see NPC factions that actually matter where your raid has to work on faction together to do certain raids.


  Puremallace

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10/31/11 12:08:52 PM#39



Originally posted by Illyssia






This is why I don't like Rift, even the names are kinda rushed, e.g.




Noun




Regulo




= Any number of temperatures to which a gas oven may be set.




The lore for rift was written in a couple of bar room sessions, what a shame Trion didn't hire professional (and good for that matter) writing staff to craft a decent lore with good names, as it is there are all these crappy names like Regulos.




They simply do not have a IP like ToR or Warcraft. If you think Thrall sounds any better then you are lying. They are hurting on cinematics to explain the lore a bit better.


 


It is done better then WoW in my view. While leveling WoW I could gives two cents about the lore and never read the quest. Atleast the story quest are in yellow and kind of bring attention that you might want to read this one.


 


Cataclysm was kind of a bomb also because the Deathwing storyline is kind of mehhhhh when compared to Arthas. Hell WotLK got me playing mmorpg's and I was a console gamer for life.





 

  teakbois

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10/31/11 12:47:54 PM#40

Originally posted by popinjay

 





Originally posted by teakbois

 


 Yeah, I did say the stuff I suggested was for an expansion.  Ine year is generally the standard amount of time for an expansion, Rift could udnerstandably take a little longer since theyve had to add a lot of endgame content already and several new things on top of that. But they cant wait more than 18 months either.




 By then we will already be hearing about SWToR's expansion, and probably Titan information and EQNext information will be starting to leak.  In other words, Rift wont be so new anymore and people less likely to go back when there is other new things on the horizon.







They won't wait 18 months (at least from the date it is now), but waiting 18 months from launch isn't out of the realm for an expansion and won't hurt Rift at all. That would place it right about the time I said it would/should happen: Summer 2012 approximately.

 


 


That gives Rift a new expansion after TOR has been out for half a year and possibly after just missing GW2 launch. TOR won't be talking expansion six months out I don't think because they have an awful lot of replayable content unlike Rift with it's "one toon" setup.


 




My guess is: Expansion Summer/late summer with two races/two zones.. housing after that for 2013 as a non-expansion feature (patch).



 


18 months form launch would be next september.  We dont know what type of cycle ToR will follow, but at that point it will be out for 9 months and yes, expansion talks are quite possible at that point.


 


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