Just wait until 2.0.....

Could be 1 year from now or 5.

This thread is funny... "it's like this"... "no, it's like this"

Darkfall caters to vet players still.  You are not a viable pvp'er against skilled vets.  End of story.  You and your buddy that have been playing for a month will never take down 1 decently skilled vet.  Again, end of story!  Thinking differently is just well, wrong.  I invite you to prove me and everyone else that actually plays and knows darkfall wrong though.  If successful, you're the first.

Just have to add this cause I can't resist....

OP, you say at one point....

The difference between 50 and 75 and 75-100 in a spell or weapon mastery is about +1-2 damage at most.

You sir, are wrong!  You are actually so wrong it's not really funny.  You also don't even mention that the spell effects from say 50 to 75 can more or less make or break a spell.  Fail thread is fail.

Originally posted by ManJunk

This thread is funny... "it's like this"... "no, it's like this"

Darkfall caters to vet players still.  You are not a viable pvp'er against skilled vets.  End of story.  You and your buddy that have been playing for a month will never take down 1 decently skilled vet.  Again, end of story!  Thinking differently is just well, wrong.  I invite you to prove me and everyone else that actually plays and knows darkfall wrong though.  If successful, you're the first.

 

Just have to add this cause I can't resist....

OP, you say at one point....

The difference between 50 and 75 and 75-100 in a spell or weapon mastery is about +1-2 damage at most.

You sir, are wrong!  You are actually so wrong it's not really funny.  You also don't even mention that the spell effects from say 50 to 75 can more or less make or break a spell.  Fail thread is fail.

all of this ^^

"caters" is a perfect way to put it, it really is the ultimate min/max pvp game.

Originally posted by ManJunk

 

 You and your buddy that have been playing for a month will never take down 1 decently skilled vet. 

 

spoken like a true baddy.  If you were to say this on the Darkfall forums you would get blasted by people correcting and telling you to stop sucking.  It is kind of funny how some people think pvp is impossible unless you have a  maxed out character.  This is just an example of people who suck at the game, who think that the a 2-3 damage difference on a spell is the difference between being able to pvp and not.

You people crying about veterans being unstoppable killing machines are so off and really need to test for yourself instead of listening to other crybabies who blame the game for why they suck.  again 60 str 60 vit = 375 HP,  110 str 110 vit = 435 HP.  So the difference between someone who is maxed and someone who is half of maxed, (which, btw takes much much less effort that maxing out), is 60 hp.  An average hit for a newer player might be 30 and an average hit for a vet might be 40.  So you are talking about a 2 hit difference in HP.    Given that pvp is rarely about 1v1, is a 2 hit difference really going be the deciding factor of whater you pvp or not? Of course not.  Will bad players blame that for why they lost in pvp?  Any chance they can get.

Even if damage was 3x more as a vet than a noob (which it isn't even), this is not the difference between it being impossible to pvp and not, that is not the difference between viable and not.  There are other factors that come into play like aiming, use of terrain, it isn't rockem sockem robots where your opponent is going to land every shot like the complainers try to make it out to be. 

Also how can you say DF caters to vets when they have introduced meditation? meditation allows you to max out your stats without even playing the game.  This just goes to further emphasize how ridiculous the posters who cry about vets really are..

 Only the terrrible players think you need to max everything just to be "viable".  DF has the smallest difference between new player and vet than any other pvp mmorpg, yet still we hear from the baddies how it is "impossible" to pvp as a noob, as if it would be more possible for their terrible selves in some other game.

I've been playing for 2+ years with sub 75 spells so I know for a fact that the morons who claim you need +75 in every spell, just to be viable, are completely full of shit and are very likely just blaming the game for why they suck. 

That is the reality, and given the other posts in this thread, doesn't it just make perfect sense?

Originally posted by forest-nl

Problem these days is most players don't know how to enjoy a game from day one they all think first grind my way as fast as i can to end game or lvl cap then i can have fun.

I know players who are grinding for 8 months and where killed and quit becouse they have almost not played the game only macro macro and afk constantly so experience they almost dont have and think they only can play game with mostly all max character well your so wrong about that.

But you can enjoy games from day one, just remove all this bullshit from your mind that you have to be max to even accomplish something becouse thats not true.

I had a new character rolled mahirim on US server and just travelled to alfar lands and seek newbees there i was bind on chaostone and killed several newbees sure i was also killed few times but who cares i had fun i ganked newbees AS A NEWBEE why is that not fun on a free for all full loot server why?

And there are so many more things to have fun with like i also travel all the way to yssam as day one character and sneak around in tolenque or try escape those damn raptors.

I had always fun from day one and never had the urge to rush to endgame or lvlcap.

And i dont macro/afk/exploit or any cheat you can think of i play as it go naturally and honest.

Guys learn two play, learn to have fun again!

 

 well said.

See, this guy gets it.  Darkfall is made for people like him, not for people crying about how they aren't viable to pvp unless they are maxed out.

Wasn't my cup of tea but I wish nothing for the best for the game as there seems to be a dedicated core who like it. Glad you are enjoying it!

However, this attitude some fans have that you are "wussy" or "not man enough" if you don't play/like DF; I only wish to say....

AV's communication policies are laughable at best.

Maybe releasing 2.0 "as advertised" before 2015

and a heaping dose of .

This would dispel my misgivings about the game.

I challenge you again.... Take you and your buddy that have been playing for a month and challenge a vet!

Git'r'done.... prove your point!

Not going to go back and forth with you on a game that i've played since beta... a game that i've been a part of the biggest alliance possible... and a game that i've written hundreds of scripts and programs for.  My knowledge of darkfall far exceeds yours.... it's that simple.  Git'r'done!

Originally posted by ManJunk

I challenge you again.... Take you and your buddy that have been playing for a month and challenge a vet!

 

Git'r'done.... prove your point!

 

Not going to go back and forth with you on a game that i've played since beta... a game that i've been a part of the biggest alliance possible... and a game that i've written hundreds of scripts and programs for.  My knowledge of darkfall far exceeds yours.... it's that simple.  Git'r'done!

I've done it lots of times on my alt account with just a bow and arrow, which I made to play with one of my friends who is a newer player.

 I challenge you to post the the same whine, "impossible for two, 1- month old character to beat a vet", as a thread in the Darkfall forums and see how many people you get commming in and correcting you and telling you how wrong you are.

I've been playing since beta too and I was still killing people with archery lots of people have 100 in magic when magic was OP.  That is pretty silly to assume your knowledge of DF would "far" exceed mine. 

You've "written hundreds of scripts and programs" for DF? really? hundreds?    I think that should make it pretty obvious to anyone that what you say is BS.

At most a vet will do double damage compared to a new player with the same weapon. For spells, it isn't even possible to achieve double damage by raising everything about it to maximum.  So you are crying about the difference between newb and vet that isn't even over a 100% difference.  It is the same for hit points, you don't even double your hit points from newly created character to maxed out HP, yet still baddies complaining about how it is "impossible" to pvp against vets as a new player. It would be impossible if this game was rockem sockem robots, but it is not, there is aiming, there is dodging, there is using terrain, there is the element of surprise, there are other players, all which make pvp less about stats and more about player skill.

stop blaming the game for why YOU suck.  The only thing holding you back from pvp is yourself. Newer players are very viable in pvp, especially compared to other games.

Just because you can't beat a "vet" with two, 1-month old characters doesn't mean others can't.   Besides, it is a pvpmmorpg and when has any pvpmmorpg ever allowed a new player to easily beat maxed out veterans?  Suck it up or find a dfif game you don't feel the need to cry about. We like it this way.

Originally posted by trashburnin

Originally posted by ManJunk

I challenge you again.... Take you and your buddy that have been playing for a month and challenge a vet!

 

Git'r'done.... prove your point!

 

Not going to go back and forth with you on a game that i've played since beta... a game that i've been a part of the biggest alliance possible... and a game that i've written hundreds of scripts and programs for.  My knowledge of darkfall far exceeds yours.... it's that simple.  Git'r'done!

I've done it lots of times on my alt account with just a bow and arrow, which I made to play with one of my friends who is a newer player.

 I challenge you to post the the same whine, "impossible for two, 1- month old character to beat a vet", as a thread in the Darkfall forums and see how many people you get commming in and correcting you and telling you how wrong you are.

I've been playing since beta too and I was still killing people with archery lots of people have 100 in magic when magic was OP.  That is pretty silly to assume your knowledge of DF would "far" exceed mine. 

You've "written hundreds of scripts and programs" for DF? really? hundreds?    I think that should make it pretty obvious to anyone that what you say is BS.

At most a vet will do double damage compared to a new player with the same weapon. For spells, it isn't even possible to achieve double damage by raising everything about it to maximum.  So you are crying about the difference between newb and vet that isn't even over a 100% difference.  It is the same for hit points, you don't even double your hit points from newly created character to maxed out HP, yet still baddies complaining about how it is "impossible" to pvp against vets as a new player. It would be impossible if this game was rockem sockem robots, but it is not, there is aiming, there is dodging, there is using terrain, there is the element of surprise, there are other players, all which make pvp less about stats and more about player skill.

stop blaming the game for why YOU suck.  The only thing holding you back from pvp is yourself. Newer players are very viable in pvp, especially compared to other games.

Just because you can't beat a "vet" with two, 1-month old characters doesn't mean others can't.   Besides, it is a pvpmmorpg and when has any pvpmmorpg ever allowed a new player to easily beat maxed out veterans?  Suck it up or find a dfif game you don't feel the need to cry about. We like it this way.

 

I dont understand the back and forth. The numbers are not in despute, and Ive been playing since EU beta.

Melee with mastery at 75 for both and your doing 40-50s (depending on weapon) to the front and dmg cap from behind versus's 20s at the top end pre-melee mastery. Its about the same for spells but the AOE dmg is higher versus pre 75. Both are well above 100%+ if you included back shots (90s with a decent keened r60+ or r90/r100 spell like EC)

Starting HP's are 255(?) versus a 435 or 445(?) ork/mahriam. I forget what I cap out at but Ive been at cap+vit title bonus+racial for at least 1.5 years

Darkfall was never intended to have newbies challange vets , its not a small scale pvp game. Its supposed to be large scale clan pvp like it was in the first year'ish. Its just like that now due to population.

Vets will do considerably more damage, and they will also do it at a much faster rate (their swing times), -and- it doesn't even matter if the 1-monther happens to stumble upon a vet who is trash at pvp. Because if that vet starts losing, guess what? He's going to have 3-4 times the escape options or gap openers. He can also heal and resource up 2-3 times faster.  So even if the vet has to disengage and re-engage 5 times, the inevitable is that the new player is going to get smashed.

Anyway you look at you, your going to be playing a useless support role your first couple months (depending on how dedicated you are) because the grind is just that long and the power gap is just that big. And I say useless, because -and here's the kicker- theres no need for support roles because every vet has every spell  and everybody plays support already. So you're litarly just a meatshield who heals every now and then.

Sure, if you get into large sieges, you can be somewhat useful by just pecking arrows from a distance, but other than that, your going to get shit on.

I played darkfall up until I got my character to what I considered vet level and quit because of av's stupidity. And most of what the op said was nonsense. What he fails to acknowledge is that the power gap is formed by the accumalation of so many skills and stats. Their is an absurd amount of skills that only increase x by y. And yes, individually, not having one is negligible, but when you add them all up, it's a mountain of difference.

Originally posted by jadedlevir

Vets will do considerably more damage, and they will also do it at a much faster rate (their swing times), -and- it doesn't even matter if the 1-monther happens to stumble upon a vet who is trash at pvp.

I challenge you to make a thread on the DF forums that says "1-month can't beat vets", post the link here and we will see how many DF players tell you how wrong you are.

Heal spell cooldown timers are equal between vet and noob and they are on long timers and don't heal very much more at all from training them up.   Noobs can cast conversations at the same rate as a veteran.  Are you reallly complaining that brand spanking new players have a hard time going 1v1 with maxed out veterans in a pvpmmorpg?

Just because you can't beat bad players doesn't mean others can't.  It is pretty ridiculous that the damage differences betwen vet and noob are not greater than 100% and yet there is still so much crying, usually ALWAYS from bad players.  Most of them are probably from the instant gratification crowd who only want to play one aspects of the game, they want a badass character without having to put forth any effort at all.  Now we have meditation, which allows you to max out your stats without even needing to play the game and STILL there is crying.  I guess it is to be expected that some people will never be satisfied and we have to hear from all the spoiled, and overly expectant products of poor parenting whenever there is a video game that is designed for a hard-mode audience.

Originally posted by trashburnin

Originally posted by jadedlevir

Vets will do considerably more damage, and they will also do it at a much faster rate (their swing times), -and- it doesn't even matter if the 1-monther happens to stumble upon a vet who is trash at pvp.

I challenge you to make a thread on the DF forums that says "1-month can't beat vets", post the link here and we will see how many DF players tell you how wrong you are.

Heal spell cooldown timers are equal between vet and noob and they are on long timers and don't heal very much more at all from training them up.   Noobs can cast conversations at the same rate as a veteran.  Are you reallly complaining that brand spanking new players have a hard time going 1v1 with maxed out veterans in a pvpmmorpg?

Just because you can't beat bad players doesn't mean others can't.  It is pretty ridiculous that the damage differences betwen vet and noob are not greater than 100% and yet there is still so much crying, usually ALWAYS from bad players.  Most of them are probably from the instant gratification crowd who only want to play one aspects of the game, they want a badass character without having to put forth any effort at all.  Now we have meditation, which allows you to max out your stats without even needing to play the game and STILL there is crying.  I guess it is to be expected that some people will never be satisfied and we have to hear from all the spoiled, and overly expectant products of poor parenting whenever there is a video game that is designed for a hardcore audience.

 

 

 

I wouldn't post something that can link your account here to the one on the Darkfall forums. This Trashburn is probably Tasos looking to Del your account for telling people the truth.

Originally posted by trashburnin

Originally posted by jadedlevir

Vets will do considerably more damage, and they will also do it at a much faster rate (their swing times), -and- it doesn't even matter if the 1-monther happens to stumble upon a vet who is trash at pvp.

I challenge you to make a thread on the DF forums that says "1-month can't beat vets", post the link here and we will see how many DF players tell you how wrong you are.

Heal spell cooldown timers are equal between vet and noob and they are on long timers and don't heal very much more at all from training them up.   Noobs can cast conversations at the same rate as a veteran.  Are you reallly complaining that brand spanking new players have a hard time going 1v1 with maxed out veterans in a pvpmmorpg?

Just because you can't beat bad players doesn't mean others can't.  It is pretty ridiculous that the damage differences betwen vet and noob are not greater than 100% and yet there is still so much crying, usually ALWAYS from bad players.  Most of them are probably from the instant gratification crowd who only want to play one aspects of the game, they want a badass character without having to put forth any effort at all.  Now we have meditation, which allows you to max out your stats without even needing to play the game and STILL there is crying.  I guess it is to be expected that some people will never be satisfied and we have to hear from all the spoiled, and overly expectant products of poor parenting whenever there is a video game that is designed for a hard-mode audience.

 

 

 

I am curious why you dont know that vets in fact do cast heals/tranferes quicker? and for a lot more (heal #'s).  

Not including spell haste (which every vet will have up) every heal/transfer spell either gives another tick (heal amount) or reduced cast time per 25 tier (25,50,75,100) The only thing that does not change is the CD.

I just had to throw in my two cents.

The arguments on here I see about "Vets can die!" are posted by vets, who are dying to newbs, thus making the newbs can be vets arguments valid from their perspective. Likewise, the  newbs that can't be the vets are dying to vets.

It's simple, just like any game, those who have more experience playing the game, will be those who don't. Not only do they have higher skills and more health, but they also have time played.  

Darkfall is a fun game. I played for a while, had to macro up skills, and quit. I don't want to macro to play a game.  Then they nerfed macroing (after several people benefited from it).  

I like the openess of Darkfall, but I dislike the "elite" players calling everyone else "bad".  This game is perfect fro you. Stay here. Please. 

Originally posted by TigerDriver

Originally posted by trashburnin

Originally posted by jadedlevir

Vets will do considerably more damage, and they will also do it at a much faster rate (their swing times), -and- it doesn't even matter if the 1-monther happens to stumble upon a vet who is trash at pvp.

I challenge you to make a thread on the DF forums that says "1-month can't beat vets", post the link here and we will see how many DF players tell you how wrong you are.

Heal spell cooldown timers are equal between vet and noob and they are on long timers and don't heal very much more at all from training them up.   Noobs can cast conversations at the same rate as a veteran.  Are you reallly complaining that brand spanking new players have a hard time going 1v1 with maxed out veterans in a pvpmmorpg?

Just because you can't beat bad players doesn't mean others can't.  It is pretty ridiculous that the damage differences betwen vet and noob are not greater than 100% and yet there is still so much crying, usually ALWAYS from bad players.  Most of them are probably from the instant gratification crowd who only want to play one aspects of the game, they want a badass character without having to put forth any effort at all.  Now we have meditation, which allows you to max out your stats without even needing to play the game and STILL there is crying.  I guess it is to be expected that some people will never be satisfied and we have to hear from all the spoiled, and overly expectant products of poor parenting whenever there is a video game that is designed for a hard-mode audience.

 

 

 

I am curious why you dont know that vets in fact do cast heals/tranferes quicker? and for a lot more (heal #'s).  

Not including spell haste (which every vet will have up) every heal/transfer spell either gives another tick (heal amount) or reduced cast time per 25 tier (25,50,75,100) The only thing that does not change is the CD.

 

The only heal that you don't get right away as a noob is witches brew, which has the longest cooldown timer, like 45 sec and it might give 10 more hp than lesser heal.  Training up healing spells is even less beneficial than training up damage spells in terms of numbers increase.

You are also wrong about the number of ticks.

conversions always have the same number of ticks nomatter the lvl and it isn't more than 50% of its original at maximum.

Also, AV has changed it so that training up heal self and witches brew actually provides LESS ticks for more at higher levels.

I think what you said just futher establishes that your narrow minded perspective is worthless and you have nothing valid to contribute to this thread.  Don't you have anything better to do than spread misinformed garbage about the differences between a noob and a vet in a pvpmmorpg, (which happens to have the smallest difference than any other pvpmmorpg) and that you don't even play?

Darkfall isn't for wussies who cry about such minimal differences, being good about DF is more about player skill than character. If you want to be exactly equal to everyone in pvp without putting forth any effort, there are plenty of FPS games out there.

Do not trust vets. I have a 2 year old char (inactive) and i can tell you that stats matters, A LOT. Is because who have a end game char hit so hard.
100+ in quickness mean you swin more fast compared to people who have 50, STR is the same, every 10 points of STR you have a 1 point of damage increase, so if you have 110 is 11 points more per hit. Also quickness mitigate damage too. Int and DEX is the same as STR. Also i don't mention all the subskills that increment the damage/defence/regeneration a lot. Is a hard grind, meditation help but the best way is
to perform task AFK in macro because, for example, swimming increase 3 stats at the same time.

No matter how a vet told you that you can be viable from day 1, is a lie, they just say this because the game has very low population atm and they want more players to roll, and no matter how good you are, against a 2 year old maxed char you will lose even if you are more good to land hits because he need a lot less hits to kill you.

For all, wait for DF 2.0 where they claim you can be viable in your ROLE in a small amount of time. I think 2.0 will be the saviour or the apocalypse for this game. Hope they do it right this time because i like this game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TXkszFJliI

^ 3-day old character ^

He doesn't even have witchesbrew or sacrifice yet and he missed half of his attacks and he was not buffed. With more potions and something better than a transmuted sword he probably would have won at the end.

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Originally posted by Sid_Vicious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TXkszFJliI
^ 3-day old character ^
He doesn't even have witchesbrew or sacrifice yet and he missed half of his attacks and he was not buffed. With more potions and something better than a transmuted sword he probably would have won at the end.

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Sid now show me a video where a 3 day old "player/char" is not duo with a vet and also does not have r50's which are also enchanted/keened. Oh was that also a full plate chest and bone?

DOH on another note it looks like that "3 day old char" has macro's set up as well.

I started the game and joined NEW and was on the top end of the PVP people that joined at the same time as me. On average your new player runs with r40's and studded and if he is good buys bone. Then it takes time to learn about macro's and how to set them up. THEN you run into the scripts dept. MOST of the vets i know that are good run RAY/r90 and r100 scripts.

I love DF and would still be playing if they ever decide to say there wont be a wipe. But please do not post BS video's of vets killing people when they are 2v1 on someone.

Your BIGGEST issue's as a new player is 1- gear and 2- conversions and 3- buffs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H73NKqIX3E&hd=1

vet pvp, i think if you compare the two vids there a MASSSIVE difference?

I can look at a new player and kill him.