Originally posted by TotTWriter

I'll confess now to not knowing the full details of the MoP expansion. Or precisely what Cataclysm changed, since I can't be bothered renewing my sub for a game I'd get to play once or twice a week tops. 

But, I can remember when Cataclysm was announced, and plenty of people were exulting/despairing over the announced changes, because it would revitalise WoW/destroy the other MMOs and undermine them. 

Well, it released and did none of those things. Some people got enough out of it to keep playing or get an account, but overall they lost subs, because it's an old game, and there's only so much they can do to keep it going before it's just not worth it anymore. I reckon they've got a few years left, but with a new raft of MMOs coming out, they've got to do something to hang onto the fans they've got, and this is it - giving them some of the things they've been asking for, apparently. 

But I also remember that a lot of the things in Cataclysm sounded a lot better on paper than they apparently turned out to be. maybe MoP will be the same. 

Either way, I don't think this is BLizzard trying to sabotage or adapt to the new games coming. We all know Titan is coming at some point, so I would imagine that the focus is gradually shifting to that instead. Maybe these are snippets of the sort of thing it will offer, or those aspects which the WoW engine can be jury-rigged to support. 

You forget that since it's release, WoW is down over 1 million subs...

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

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No auto attack = no holy trinity? O.O?? Btw, TOR has no auto attack as well.

PvE Scenarios = Dynamic events? O.O!?? Btw, LotRO has a far more similar system.

World Raid Bosses = Dynamic events? ò.ö??1? Btw, WoW has had these since, like, the very beginning.

Monks = All classes will become superfluous and replaceable by the monk?!?#?? Btw, nah.........

PvE Scenarios = Raiding will not be the only way to get the best PvE gear???! Btw, I was gonna make this post, but then I got high

I need to have some of what you are smoking..

It's what wow does, takes what works, polishes, refines, releases.

Devious,  offer free diable 3 with annual sub, Diable to play with while you wait for expansion, with a view to releasing the ninja panda expansion before the annual pass runs out.  If you are subbed when the release comes you are almost forced to buy it.  Sneaky but clever.

 If GW2 arrives before the expansion then they have a prob as who would not play GW2 over creaking WOW, and if it is as good as it's potential suggests then many many players are going to decide to focus their free time on their mains in GW2. So i think blizz will push hard for a pre GW2 release - good for WOW dedicated as long as blizz dont mess up the rush as its a more aggressive release schedule than anything they have done before (with less development resource by all accounts)

It isn't first time wow takes somethings from guild wars.

Grenth <--- gw

Warlock tier 8 <--- wow lich king.

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

• New Continent (Pandaria) – Leveling zone, Neutral territory, in-world dungeons
• New Race (Pandarens) – Kung Fu Panda?  Damn right you love it.
• New Class (Monk) – No auto-attacks (its just 2 punchs light punch and dark punch each build engery for skill not a big deal), three resources, dps/healer/tank, Pally 2.0?  Perhaps.
• Increased Level Cap – Level 90 here we come!
• Talents 2.0 – I hope you don’t like talent points and you do like more meaningful choice
• PvE Scenarios – Bringing players back into the world (group quest..i bet u can solo it if ur strong enough... by the way i also dont think its a big deal...  they r like exp: u need to burn 6 tower then def wave of enemy  and  then beat last boss.. I think they just cut the NPC they gave 3 quest at once ..usally u burn 6 tower ..turn in quest  kill xyz  turn in quest then kill some boss.).,
• Challenge Mode Dungeons – Time triale dungeons with normalized gear.  Leaderboards!
• Mind Shattering Class Changes – Hunters? No Minimum range!  Druids?  Four specs!
• Achievements are Account Wide – Something like that, most will be at least…
• 3 New Raids, 9 New Dungeons – Three of which are remakes of old dungeons for lvl 90 heroics!
• Raid Finder Implementation – Leaves open normal and heroic raids to be more difficult
• World Raid Bosses – Prepare to grief the Alliance everyone.(unless the boss drop something good i dont think anyone will care)
• Useful and Fun Dailies – They’ll get you out doing things in the world and help with gear.(give u badges/points with  the gold and exp)
• More streamlined elements (main hand wand usage, no ranged slots on melee champs, etc) and a general push towards the feel of vanilla (no flying till max level, more world action, etc).

Green line are my take ... by the way i think u miss the pokemen pet  fight.. I just saw some video of pet fight really the people that made pokemen game shoiuld sue lol

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oh the world boss might drop epic gear lol it muight be good

GW2 will have the best or close to it pvp(i hope :D), which is enough reason for me to play.

GW2 isn't a theat to WoW.

And, you're mostly talking about stuff you.. don't know. Really. All your point are mostly... wrong.

What tell you they "looked" at GW2 ? Nothing. Maybe they have been developping this for more time than GW2 did.

World boss ? You think GW2 are the first to this ? You think WoW never had them ?

No flying till "max level". Do you know how to read ? Because you cleary didn't understood.

Comparing the monk class with Pally ? Are you.... serious ? You better not be.

Wow doesn't lack innovation, you sir, lack of logic.

In the end, I think you're comparing Apple with Orange. For me it's not the same "type" of game.

You can play BOTH game, you can play WoW or you can play GW2.

One thing sure, GW2 isn't the WoW killer. Sorry to dissapoint you.

Originally posted by czekoskwigel

Originally posted by TotTWriter

I'll confess now to not knowing the full details of the MoP expansion. Or precisely what Cataclysm changed, since I can't be bothered renewing my sub for a game I'd get to play once or twice a week tops. 

But, I can remember when Cataclysm was announced, and plenty of people were exulting/despairing over the announced changes, because it would revitalise WoW/destroy the other MMOs and undermine them. 

Well, it released and did none of those things. Some people got enough out of it to keep playing or get an account, but overall they lost subs, because it's an old game, and there's only so much they can do to keep it going before it's just not worth it anymore. I reckon they've got a few years left, but with a new raft of MMOs coming out, they've got to do something to hang onto the fans they've got, and this is it - giving them some of the things they've been asking for, apparently. 

But I also remember that a lot of the things in Cataclysm sounded a lot better on paper than they apparently turned out to be. maybe MoP will be the same. 

Either way, I don't think this is BLizzard trying to sabotage or adapt to the new games coming. We all know Titan is coming at some point, so I would imagine that the focus is gradually shifting to that instead. Maybe these are snippets of the sort of thing it will offer, or those aspects which the WoW engine can be jury-rigged to support. 

You forget that since it's release, WoW is down over 1 million subs...

But we don't know if that's related to Cata or not. When your game is 7 years old, people are going to fall off.

I personally thought that Cataclysm was great, in terms of questing. They cleaned up their old world, removed many of the filler quests and bad things about questing and replaced it with better things. The worst part about it was that they could not add these improvements to Burning Crusade and that was a shame.

It's often sad when content, and zones gets abandoned because people moved on.

It's difficult to make intelligent game design that keeps people moving back and forth.

I think if there is one thing we have learned from WoW then it is that to add mounts, is dangerous. all these super fast mounts and flying mounts have helped diminish the world. I hope GW2 will never add mounts and that people will explore on foot. 

And lets not forget that monks have active dodging

Originally posted by Requiem6

GW2 isn't a theat to WoW.

 

And, you're mostly talking about stuff you.. don't know. Really. All your point are mostly... wrong.

What tell you they "looked" at GW2 ? Nothing. Maybe they have been developping this for more time than GW2 did.

World boss ? You think GW2 are the first to this ? You think WoW never had them ?

No flying till "max level". Do you know how to read ? Because you cleary didn't understood.

 

Comparing the monk class with Pally ? Are you.... serious ? You better not be.

 

Wow doesn't lack innovation, you sir, lack of logic.

 

In the end, I think you're comparing Apple with Orange. For me it's not the same "type" of game.

You can play BOTH game, you can play WoW or you can play GW2.

One thing sure, GW2 isn't the WoW killer. Sorry to dissapoint you.

Good night sweety, enjoy your dreams..

even if they are adapting to guild wars 2 the content they will be providing as opposition to that is still going to have Panda people as its focal point, and frankly if we're talking about the western market here, pandas are really only gonna sell to kids, weeaboos and maybe hard core fans of warcraft (though that seems a stretch to say). And while there are quite a few of those people out there who would gobble this stuff up, I doubt its gonna dip into the western or european markets the way Guild wars 2 will more than likely do. 

Way I see it, Blizzard is trying to transition the game to a child/asian market. Due to this transition I can see there being a possibility that a game like Guildwars 2 could apeal to a lot of hungry gamers looking for something they want. 

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Originally posted by fiontar

We don't know anything about PvE scenarios, but what I envision is a knock off of Lord of the Rings Online PvE Skirmishes. Who knows though.

PvE Scenarios – Bringing players back into the world,

 

Doesnt sound like an instance to me.....

 

Tough i imagine that some of the GW@ dynamic events will play a lot like skirmishes, but then out in the open world and much more massive....

Blizzard already stated they would be instanced.  It's on MMO-Champions. 

Originally posted by Majinash

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

• More streamlined elements (main hand wand usage, no ranged slots on melee champs, etc) and a general push towards the feel of vanilla (no flying till max level, more world action, etc).

 

There was no flying in vanilla.

Not having an auto attack doesn't remove the trinity, I have no idea why you would think that.

They've had world raid bosses before, don't know why you would think they are part of dynamic events.

All classes will not be replaced by monks, the same way all classes aren't replaced by druids and pallys.

 

In fact, I don't understand a single conclusion you've come to in this thread, it just seems random.

 I agree.

out of a slew of features, he highlights a small bit of them, and brings up odd, almost irrelevent points.

why do people with no interest to play a game, make posts about it? honestly, no one cares about your opinion, anymore than they do mine.

OP. keep on crying that river

Originally posted by skulljoe

And lets not forget that monks have active dodging

they have a roll, spells and arrows/bullets will still hit you, becuase that is how WoW works.

guildwars and guildwars2 work in the way that only when something hits you it does the dmg, and projectials fly in a stright line, no matrix/wanted stuff here. arrows fly stright and if you move behind a pillar, you will not be hit. not just LoS, but not struck at all.

so what if the monk class has a role to move out of range, for this to be a dodge function, they would ahve to tweek how their combat works.

P.S  not dising WoW juts laying out the facts

it blows my mind, that among a slew of features, people can only focus on the Pandarean, a race requested by the fanbase for years.

the big mindfuck, is why people who don't even like the game, or ever plan on playing it, are making such a big deal about it. i understand that some people blame WoW for all greed, hunger, and hatred, but if your determined Pandas will ruin WOW (finally), then why even complain about it? shouldn't you be happy that WoW is going to finally die (yeah right) because they added Pandas?

i haven't played since a month into Cata, and before then, i only played in 2-3 month binges, with equal breaks in between. And though i am not really excited about Pandas, i am however, VERY excited to explore their land, and play though the game again with a monk, a class i have wanted since i first subbed back during it's vanilla days.

I don't care what Blizzard does, GW2 will have a good following.  Blizzard can continue to suck the money out of people stupid enough to pay it when the company doesn't earn the money they make. WoW fans are no different then sheep, just following what they've done before, stuck paying every month so they can play the same generic crap over and over again.  I have friends that play WoW and they complain nearly every day about it, yet still tell me it's worth the 15 bucks a months. "Can't beat entertainment like that." except I prefer the entertainment that I enjoy.

Can't believe WOW are still trying to sell this dead horse. Shame on you if you continue to sub to a mmo that is constantly trying to squeeze as much money as it can from your wallets before you finally wake up.

Is World of Warcraft evolving? I definitely think it is and it's commendable that a game that's almost seven years old is continuing to work hard to become a better game. Is it adapting to the Guild Wars 2 threat? I think we may be over-estimating how good and how popular Guild Wars 2 is going to be. Let the game come out and then we can assess the situation. It wasn't a year ago that all of my friends were declaring Final Fantasy XIV the new MMO king..... and then the game came out. But just so you know.... WoW will be fine!

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Originally posted by eyelolled
I have friends that play WoW and they complain nearly every day about it, yet still tell me it's worth the 15 bucks a months.

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