It's about Blizzard's clear statement that WoW isn't even close to bowing down to it's competition.  Every MMO under the sun has set it's target on this game and it's been ripped apart mercilously on forums such as these, yet it keeps pressing on with the healthiest subscriber base this genre has ever seen.

If there has ever been any doubt about Bilzzard's commitment to the future of WoW, it should be resolved here: WoW isn't going anywhere for a loooong time. One Blizzcon interview stated that they are currently developing new character models for all classic races (while being respectful to tradition). Clearly from the MoP gameplay the graphics engine has been improved once again.  

While I'm not a big fan of the Pandarean race or Monk Class, I have no reservations in dusting off my old toon and playing once again.

When the dust settles and gamers are finally tired of hopping from next big thing to next big thing...which game do you think they'll go back to?   I think I might finally know my answer.

Originally posted by MMOtoGO

When the dust settles and gamers are finally tired of hopping from next big thing to next big thing...which game do you think they'll go back to?   I think I might finally know my answer.

I quit wow after capping DK in wotlk. I will not be going back. Plenty of people will not be going back to wow regardless of what they add. After a long time of playing, just about any game becomes a boring chore for most people. There are exceptions of course, but just because you can't get into a new game, does not mean you will go back to the same old same old.

I went back about 6 months after I left. They gave me some free time. When I went back in, I could not force myself to complete even 1 quest. I know I am not alone in this feeling.

Originally posted by MMOtoGO

It's about Blizzard's clear statement that WoW isn't even close to bowing down to it's competition.  Every MMO under the sun has set it's target on this game and it's been ripped apart mercilously on forums such as these, yet it keeps pressing on with the healthiest subscriber base this genre has ever seen.

If there has ever been any doubt about Bilzzard's commitment to the future of WoW, it should be resolved here: WoW isn't going anywhere for a loooong time. One Blizzcon interview stated that they are currently developing new character models for all classic races (while being respectful to tradition). Clearly from the MoP gameplay the graphics engine has been improved once again.  

While I'm not a big fan of the Pandarean race or Monk Class, I have no reservations in dusting off my old toon and playing once again.

When the dust settles and gamers are finally tired of hopping from next big thing to next big thing...which game do you think they'll go back to?   I think I might finally know my answer.

good for you that blizzard keep pulling you back with every new expansion but i got bored of this game 4 years ago. Time for new and better things.

Yes, let's all focus on Pokemon!

Gotta catch'em all!

Originally posted by The_Quester

Yes, let's all focus on Pokemon!

Gotta catch'em all!

Yeah adding in things people want is a bad thing!

shame on them!

I am focused on what this expansion is REALLY about.

Me walking into Garrosh's throne room with 39 other people, and cutting him into bits and selling them on the AH.

Any Horde who gets in the way will get the same fate except ill vendor ur parts!

FOR THE ALLYS IN MISTS OF PANDERIA!

If not for what I experienced with Cata, Blizzard might have been able to pull me back time and time again.  WoW had been part of the rotation over the years.  Other games were part of that rotation as well.  Most of them have dropped off for one reason or another.  There are other games that I have tried that never made it into the rotation.  There were several games that were cancelled that might have removed the need for a rotation.

I get the gist of what you are saying, and for many that will be the case - Blizzard is committed to getting money from people.  Oh, I know you say it is a case of them being committed to the game - but be honest, as long as people are willing to pay money and they are able to turn a gross profit...they are going to be committed to the "game" - so to speak.

They gave up on the game a long time ago... they're committed to the revenue stream.

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by The_Quester

Yes, let's all focus on Pokemon!

Gotta catch'em all!

Yeah adding in things people want is a bad thing!

shame on them!

Noone asked me if I wanted a Pandaren Monk ... Who said I wanted one ? Clearly the expansion is aimed at the asian market.

Originally posted by VirusDancer

If not for what I experienced with Cata, Blizzard might have been able to pull me back time and time again.  WoW had been part of the rotation over the years.  Other games were part of that rotation as well.  Most of them have dropped off for one reason or another.  There are other games that I have tried that never made it into the rotation.  There were several games that were cancelled that might have removed the need for a rotation.

I get the gist of what you are saying, and for many that will be the case - Blizzard is committed to getting money from people.  Oh, I know you say it is a case of them being committed to the game - but be honest, as long as people are willing to pay money and they are able to turn a gross profit...they are going to be committed to the "game" - so to speak.

They gave up on the game a long time ago... they're committed to the revenue stream.

just what to point out what you say makes no sense at all. you claim they're committed to making money from the game, and say not a sentence later that they've given up on the game a long time ago. contradictions ahoy!

if they 'gave up' on the game there would not be new expansions, new patches, new updates. just because you dont like the turn of their new expansions doesnt mean they've given up on the game.

Originally posted by Sephiroso

Originally posted by VirusDancer

If not for what I experienced with Cata, Blizzard might have been able to pull me back time and time again.  WoW had been part of the rotation over the years.  Other games were part of that rotation as well.  Most of them have dropped off for one reason or another.  There are other games that I have tried that never made it into the rotation.  There were several games that were cancelled that might have removed the need for a rotation.

I get the gist of what you are saying, and for many that will be the case - Blizzard is committed to getting money from people.  Oh, I know you say it is a case of them being committed to the game - but be honest, as long as people are willing to pay money and they are able to turn a gross profit...they are going to be committed to the "game" - so to speak.

They gave up on the game a long time ago... they're committed to the revenue stream.

just what to point out what you say makes no sense at all. you claim they're committed to making money from the game, and say not a sentence later that they've given up on the game a long time ago. contradictions ahoy!

if they 'gave up' on the game there would not be new expansions, new patches, new updates. just because you dont like the turn of their new expansions doesnt mean they've given up on the game.

There is a difference between being committed to the game and being committed to the revenue stream from a game.

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by The_Quester

Yes, let's all focus on Pokemon!

Gotta catch'em all!

Yeah adding in things people want is a bad thing!

shame on them!

 Yeah I must be with the minority because this is not something I ever wanted. Maybe the monk class back in BC days.

Anyways the Op's thread caught my attention and my first thought to what the MOP is really about is milking wallets. Nothing I read anywhere has made me think otherwise. Enjoy your game folks and me and mine will stay out of it.

Originally posted by VirusDancer

There is a difference between being committed to the game and being committed to the revenue stream from a game.

I would really like to hear the explanation of this difference?

Blizzard are developing for the current expansion, have just announced a further expansion and all that goes with that which is probably, what, another 2-3 years minimum development of the game? Now even with all the talk of subs dropping etc this is a massive financial commitment in staff and infrastructure given they are also working on another MMO at the same time.

You could say they are doing this purely becaus people still pay their subs and they don't want to lose that revenue, but then again they didn't get into this for the love and admiration of the player base, they are a business and if you pull it that way then what MMO is any different?

I have no issue with any company being commited to maintaining their revenue stream as long as they are also commited to supporting and developing their product as well, which in my eyes Blizzard always has been.

i ant played wow in long time think right after catty came out but it got me ne laptop so cant say much about it never go back tho was going to play d3 ut it looks like a real money type game were you got to spend real money to get good gear so i'll wait .

Originally posted by jason_webb

Originally posted by VirusDancer

There is a difference between being committed to the game and being committed to the revenue stream from a game.

I would really like to hear the explanation of this difference?

Blizzard are developing for the current expansion, have just announced a further expansion and all that goes with that which is probably, what, another 2-3 years minimum development of the game? Now even with all the talk of subs dropping etc this is a massive financial commitment in staff and infrastructure given they are also working on another MMO at the same time.

You could say they are doing this purely becaus people still pay their subs and they don't want to lose that revenue, but then again they didn't get into this for the love and admiration of the player base, they are a business and if you pull it that way then what MMO is any different?

I have no issue with any company being commited to maintaining their revenue stream as long as they are also commited to supporting and developing their product as well, which in my eyes Blizzard always has been.

It is not a case of calling Blizzard out for this over any other developer.  It is business.  Even you acknowledge that fact.

Blizzard & WoW makes me think about the grocery store.  Have you been to the grocery store over the past couple of years?

A "product" used to cost A and came with X amount of "product"... A increased while X remained the same.  Then A remained the same while X decreased.  Now once again, A is increasing while X remains the same.

It would have been one thing for A to have increased while X remained the same.  That was not the case.  They hit people with an increase.  Folks could understand that.  Prices go up.  Then they snuck in shrinking the amount that you get.  Most people did not see that.  In some cases, product packaging remained the same side while the actual amount of product in that packaging decreased.  Then again, the prices went up again.  Folks could understand that.  The uninformed consumer probably never noticed that not only are they paying more - but they are paying more for less.

WoW Vanilla

Burning Crusade

Lich King

Cataclysm...

Yep... there is a difference between being committed to the product and being committed to the revenue stream... which in my eyes, Blizzard is in the business of making a profit.  Just like any other developer is.

They're not a cash grab developer offloading something just beyond vaporware... not saying they are.

There is still a vast difference in the actual quality of the game where it is now compared to where it was.  The quality has decreased.  The value has decreased.

The uninformed consumer is probably pretty understanding of what is going on....

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by The_Quester

Yes, let's all focus on Pokemon!

Gotta catch'em all!

Yeah adding in things people want is a bad thing!

shame on them!

People playing Wow ask Blizz to add a Pokemon system...... really?

Can you link me some stuff? Cause i am interested. To me this thing came out of left field. I was like that Plant Vs Zombies thing in the last expo. It just seems like they are adding random crap to keep certain people from leaving.

Originally posted by The_Quester

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by The_Quester

Yes, let's all focus on Pokemon!

Gotta catch'em all!

Yeah adding in things people want is a bad thing!

shame on them!

People playing Wow ask Blizz to add a Pokemon system...... really?

Can you link me some stuff? Cause i am interested. To me this thing came out of left field. I was like that Plant Vs Zombies thing in the last expo. It just seems like they are adding random crap to keep certain people from leaving.

I'm pretty sure he's referring to the request that pets be useful in some way. Blizzard gave them animations, but decided to take the next step with the battle system.

I wouldn't really call that a request for the feature, but I do love the idea of pet battles very much. I used to roll with a cockroach in PvP; I wonder how well he'd do in battle. :P

Originally posted by MyGarona
Excellent discussion all. I would pay for an xpac if there were no longer any monthly fees for WoW. Paying for both? To burn thru new content then repeat dailies? Add in dungeon finder pugs with teenagers? Not no, Hell no.

Imagine if it were not a case of burning through new content though, eh?  Imagine if there was as much value to the content with the xpac (that often costs the same if not more than the original game)... the issue with paying the sub and for the xpac would not exist, would it?  I know that for me, it would not.

Originally posted by The_Quester

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by The_Quester

Yes, let's all focus on Pokemon!

Gotta catch'em all!

Yeah adding in things people want is a bad thing!

shame on them!

People playing Wow ask Blizz to add a Pokemon system...... really?

Can you link me some stuff? Cause i am interested. To me this thing came out of left field. I was like that Plant Vs Zombies thing in the last expo. It just seems like they are adding random crap to keep certain people from leaving.

You are kidding right?  Honestly I'm suprised that people are complaining at all, when I was in highschool the one thing we complained about was why can't you play pokemon online.

People have asked for companion pets to DO something for years, disgusting oozling is very sought after, the lich you can buy from the store kills other critters, people freaked when they introduced that because they loved it. 

I'll look around for something that "backs up" that people want to play pokemon online and that those people also like to play WoW, but I think its just going to be a bit vague. 

Can't we just agree that a lot of people who like WoW are also gamers who played Pokemon at some point in their life, and probably would enjoy a mini game that felt similar?

I mean I know I'm 26 now, so I'm not THAT old, but Pokemon isn't too kiddy for most people is it?  Animals battling it out is kiddy?

I think this expac has finally cut my desire to return.  I always went back to look around in the new expac do a tier or two of raiding, but not this time.  I don't even want to anymore.  I think SWTOR will be my fix simply because I'm getting burnt out on raiding.   I would rather have insanely hard 3-5 man content and  not have to deal with getting 10-25 ppl together.  And the idea of a story driven game like KOTOR with a multiplayer function sounds amazing atleast, but I guess we'll see.