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  Neiko

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Joined: 8/07/06
Posts: 630

10/20/11 12:49:37 PM#41
Originally posted by bbacardi

I did a quick comparison between their LoL and HoN review...

HoN Aesthetics: 7/10

LoL Aesthetics: 9.5/10

Except that HoN has a proper out-of-game UI with a nice shop and design and that smoothly transitions into the ingame enviroment and that HoN DOES have both stronger and (in my opinion) better looking graphics, then ok... oh wait, in that case HoN should get the higher rating here. LoL is pretty lackluster in it's GUI and the ingame heroes are like moving gif images. Seriously, 9.5?!



HoN Gameplay: 7/10

LoL Gameplay: 8.25/10

Except that the only thing the reviewer does is do a SHORT comparision between HoN and Dota nothing more is said about HoN... The fact that the game play very much the same as Dota is NOT a valid point to lower the score, the logic: "wow this game plays similar to a game that is very very good, let's lower the score"... In the LoL review they do a proper explanation of the game.



HoN Innovation: 3.5/10

LoL Innovation – 10

Wait WHAT?! a full score?! In the HoN review he also bashes HoN for lacking extra features... The extra features is what LoL is lacking and HoN does have. All the things we take for granted like a good spectator mode, kick, rmk, pause, guilds, bla bla bla is pretty much crap or non-existent in LoL. LoL is pretty much Dota without juking (grass instead), different jungle creeps and no deny and it gets 10 in inovation...



HoN Polish: 5/10

LoL Polish – 7.0/10

"There is no official replay, spectator, guild, or pause system" in LoL he states. He even criticize LoL on the GUI. But he does seem to forget the CRAZY LOADING TIMES everytime you join a freaking game because you have to wait for everyone to fully load all rescources every game, but anyway... In the HoN review it's just stated that the game takes some ram-memory and thus gives it a 5/10, much lower than LoL, seriously it's the ONLY thing that he criticizes...



HoN Longevity: 6/10

LoL Longevity – 10

Again, properly going thru LoL but just quickly brushing the surface on HoN...



HoN Social: 4/10

LoL Social – 6.5

What?! LoL doesn't even have a guild system, I'm not even sure it has a proper chat channel system and it does NOT have VoIP-function. Despite this fact the thing that lowers HoNs score is the guildsystem, WHAT?! They even state some of the things LoL is lacking (that HoN has) in the LoL review and still they give LoL a better score in social. How is this possible?! They are not even graded on the same scale obviously!!! This is the one thing LoL should have a score of like 2-3 and HoN should be in a 8-10, 100%.



HoN Value: 8/10

LoL Value – 6.0

woot? Well, I... what?... eh... *reading both sections again*, I think that... well... maybe... eh. bye


- MrPomac

I have to agree 100% here. I played both HoN and LoL for over a year, and stopped playing both when I became bored of them. But the amount of bias here to LoL is amazing. It's like not only did Riot pay them to promote LoL with a huge rating, Riot also payed them to give HoN a bad review.

It's just amazing how certain parts of the LoL review were given MUCH higher grades than they deserve, and the exact opposite here. I'm sorry to say, but this review is pretty much garbage in all aspects.

I never saw the LoL review, but if the values you give here are straight from their review, most of it is clearly biased. And when put side to side it is clear they are not only bias to LoL, but also hateful of HoN.

I can't believe that not only they let this review out in public, but the people who publish out the review couldn't even look it over. If they even looked at the review before they copy and pasted it here, they would have at least seen the typo at the start! Just wow.

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  Vorret

Novice Member

Joined: 8/23/04
Posts: 105

10/20/11 1:39:04 PM#42

And this, ladies and gentlement, is why people don't trust profesional reviewers anymore.

This is probably the worst, more uneducated, biased review I've ever read.  This needs to be removed from your website ASAP, what a joke.

  Amana

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10/20/11 2:29:57 PM#43

Guys, disagree or agree with the review as you like, as long as you keep your responses civil and posts have some actual content to them.

Examples:

Okay: This review sucks.  I played for 6 months and x,y,z .I think the gameplay is better than that.

Not okay: THIS GAME SUCKS!!

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  Vorret

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Joined: 8/23/04
Posts: 105

10/20/11 4:31:46 PM#44

Amana, the problem is that the review is full of false information.


If I had a website and people posted review on them I sure wouldn't be happy if some of them we're bashing a game with uncorrect information, would make me look bad.


  jpnz

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Joined: 6/29/06
Posts: 3547

10/21/11 1:47:53 AM#45
Originally posted by Vorret

Amana, the problem is that the review is full of false information.


If I had a website and people posted review on them I sure wouldn't be happy if some of them we're bashing a game with uncorrect information, would make me look bad.

Care to explain further?

Would it be 'full of false information' if the gameplay score was 8? Or 8.5? Or 9? Or 9.5?

Technically nothing that was said in that review was 'false'.

Someone can say Mozart's music is really bad but that does not mean that person is 'factually wrong'.

 

It was a review, how the reader takes the review of one person on the internet is up to that reader.

 

Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.

  Tombrid

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Joined: 10/21/11
Posts: 2

10/21/11 1:58:08 AM#46

Pretty disappointed in this review. Really gives a bad image of HoN with is probably the best MOBA game out at the moment. The points people are making about it being an elitist game are not %100 true. It takes time to get good and fully understand the game, unlike LoL which is targeted at casual players.


Wouldn't say the diffiiculty of HoN is a negative, people just bash at it because of bad experiences playing it (people who only play it a few times and are complete trash so quit and move to LoL).


I do dislike the f2p change, but it was pretty neccesary. Fortunately I have a legacy account, but for new players only having limited heros, it would suck.


  Tombrid

Novice Member

Joined: 10/21/11
Posts: 2

10/21/11 2:00:58 AM#47

Originally posted by jpnz


Originally posted by Vorret



Amana, the problem is that the review is full of false information.




If I had a website and people posted review on them I sure wouldn't be happy if some of them we're bashing a game with uncorrect information, would make me look bad.



Care to explain further?


Would it be 'full of false information' if the gameplay score was 8? Or 8.5? Or 9? Or 9.5?


Technically nothing that was said in that review was 'false'.


Someone can say Mozart's music is really bad but that does not mean that person is 'factually wrong'.


It was a review, how the reader takes the review of one person on the internet is up to that reader.

















There is also a casual mode in the game, but not much is changed in it. You start with your hero at level three








 








You start with your hero at level three








 








level three











Not only false information, but the majority of this article is very misleading overall feels very negative.



 










 




 

  Rednecksith

Apprentice Member

Joined: 6/12/09
Posts: 1272

Bite my fiery metal ass!

10/21/11 2:08:32 AM#48

This game's community makes LoL's look fantastic.

Think about that for a minute...

  cinos

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Joined: 8/22/05
Posts: 975

10/21/11 3:39:27 AM#49

Originally posted by jpnz


Originally posted by Vorret


Amana, the problem is that the review is full of false information.




If I had a website and people posted review on them I sure wouldn't be happy if some of them we're bashing a game with uncorrect information, would make me look bad.



Care to explain further?


Would it be 'full of false information' if the gameplay score was 8? Or 8.5? Or 9? Or 9.5?


Technically nothing that was said in that review was 'false'.


Someone can say Mozart's music is really bad but that does not mean that person is 'factually wrong'.


 


It was a review, how the reader takes the review of one person on the internet is up to that reader.


 



 


'Technically' saying that you start at level 3 in casual mode is false.


'Technically' saying that all the maps are small and are very similar is false.


This isn't a review, it's a libel piece.


The score doesn't even matter. I personally don't care what it is, but it's how this reviewer came to it that makes no sense and has caused most here to be frustrated. Even if the score here had been a 9 and the reviewer had said that you can fly around the battlefield on a pegasus, carpet bombing opponents with maniacal glee. I would still voice my concerns that the reviewer is essentially lieing to justify his score.


It makes this site look incredibly bad.


I'm sorry that for some reason you don't see this, but maybe just try to understand where everyone else here is coming from.


  cinos

Novice Member

Joined: 8/22/05
Posts: 975

10/21/11 3:45:15 AM#50
Originally posted by Amana

Guys, disagree or agree with the review as you like, as long as you keep your responses civil and posts have some actual content to them.

Examples:

Okay: This review sucks.  I played for 6 months and x,y,z .I think the gameplay is better than that.

Not okay: THIS GAME SUCKS!!

Amana, there is no agreeing or disagreeing with this 'review'.

Your website has posted a biased article with outright lies in it. I highly advise you get someone to take this down before you likely get sued for libel.

Edit: Sorry for double post.

  kostoslav

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Joined: 5/27/09
Posts: 467

10/21/11 4:08:27 AM#51
Originally posted by cinos
Originally posted by Amana

Guys, disagree or agree with the review as you like, as long as you keep your responses civil and posts have some actual content to them.

Examples:

Okay: This review sucks.  I played for 6 months and x,y,z .I think the gameplay is better than that.

Not okay: THIS GAME SUCKS!!

Amana, there is no agreeing or disagreeing with this 'review'.

Your website has posted a biased article with outright lies in it. I highly advise you get someone to take this down before you likely get sued for libel.

Edit: Sorry for double post.

http://www.dramabutton.com/

  kaiabob

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Joined: 11/05/05
Posts: 1

"Chirry"

10/21/11 4:36:27 AM#52

 

Holy cow! MMorpg.com needs to stick to MMorpgs!
 
“The maps are small and uninteresting with no imagination behind them a problem made even worse by there being only a few maps to choose from.”
 
Do you play MOBA’s? Dota had one map, and so does HoN. By the way, the maps are not “small”, I can walk more than three steps chasing after someone without hitting a tower.
 
 
"The game has sound, but there isn't much more to say about it besides that."
 
Hey play a few different heroes before you say that. Each one has a unique voice and each skill you use has a unique sound.
 
"The practice mode is useless because the lack of other heroes does not accurately represent the game as a whole, and the tutorial does not tell you anything about the met- game that feels like 90% of the player base has already mastered."
 
No, 90% of the player base has not mastered the met- game. I absolutely guarantee that. There are plenty of noobs (I do not use that in a derogatory fashion) that play at lower ratings.
 
"There is also a casual mode in the game, but not much is changed in it. You start with your hero at level three and gain experience and money faster, but besides that it plays the same as the normal game type. It is really only there to save people five to fifteen minutes, but seeing as no one ever plays it, you can take that long wait for a match to start at times."
 
Well this tells me two things. First, that you didn’t play casual mode or you did and had no idea what you were doing. Second, it tells me you don’t know what casual mode is. You don’t lose gold on death (like LoL), you get more money from killing heroes, you get more money for assists, there is a shorter respawn time, denies don’t deduct experience, and exp range is increased. There are also a few other minor differences you can look up.
 
I’m guessing the “you start at level three” business is an intentional troll because nobody could make that big of a mistake.
 
"HoN has many more heroes with many more abilities than was in Warcraft 3, but besides that not much else has changed. Again, griping on the lack of bots in Heroes of Newerth, Warcraft 3 had bots. HoN just doesn't do anything that hasn't been seen before, and some missing features really hold it back from shining in a quickly crowding genre."
 
Have you seen the dozens of hero skins with voice overs? The announcer packs? Colored names, taunts, new items, or icons? Theres a ton of stuff in the shop that really doesn’t take that long to farm with silver coins.
Why do you needs bots? Seriously why? So you can pretend your pub bashing a bunch of morons? Learn like everybody else, by playing. If you suck, then your rating will drop and you’ll play people just like you. PLUS, you get coins even if you lose. So why would you want to waste your time with bots?
 
" If you have not played a DOTA type game before, then be ready for a steep learning curve, especially with the half baked tutorial and lack of bot-matches."
 
You must really love your bots. And yea, it’s a steep learning curve. That’s why, once again, you play match making and it will put you up against people at your skill level. I'm not going to take some random idiot off the street and pit him in a game of basketball against the LA Lakers. I’m surprised they even bothered putting in a tutorial. 
Also, what do you mean by quickly crowding genre? Theres only ONE MOBA coming out called Dota 2 that has yet to see the light of day, the only other one is LoL.
 
 
 
I’m guessing your HoN experience wasn’t a good one. You decided to write a review for HoN, but had never played it before. Joined match making, got smashed by a team of Brazilian smurfs (all with the fabulous voice pack), then came back and wrote a scathing review on how poor this game was.
Well, that’s a little harsh. I’ve seen worse, but please play the game a little more and if you don’t understand something just look it up online. My advice for noobs is just pick one hero (buy it with silver coins), read some guides, and get good at that one hero. Once you pick up the mechanics of the game, then try out another.
 
I give you 1/2 out of 10 stars for your review. And that 1/2 is for effort.
 
P.S.  You should play casual mode. It’s made for LoL players.
 
P.S.S  I laugh out loud at your pros and cons.  
  cinos

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Joined: 8/22/05
Posts: 975

10/21/11 4:51:46 AM#53
Originally posted by kostoslav
Originally posted by cinos
Originally posted by Amana

Guys, disagree or agree with the review as you like, as long as you keep your responses civil and posts have some actual content to them.

Examples:

Okay: This review sucks.  I played for 6 months and x,y,z .I think the gameplay is better than that.

Not okay: THIS GAME SUCKS!!

Amana, there is no agreeing or disagreeing with this 'review'.

Your website has posted a biased article with outright lies in it. I highly advise you get someone to take this down before you likely get sued for libel.

Edit: Sorry for double post.

http://www.dramabutton.com/

Oh no I've been accused of being overly dramatic.

What ever will I do. :p

Go troll somewhere else if you have nothing useful to say.

  Hermn

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10/21/11 5:26:48 AM#54

So everyone has pretty much already explained how shitty this review is, i just got one question tho: 2 Staff of the master on Andromeda? Really? AHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA NOOB!!!!!

  Model192

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Posts: 62

Woo woo.

10/21/11 11:07:57 AM#55

Why is someone that knows nothing about MOBA games reviewing a MOBA game?


 


Seriously, one of the cons being too many heroes...one of the worst reviews I've ever seen. I mean for christ sake League of Legends got reviewed and in the "cons" section they are game-crippling cons and it gets an 8.2?


 


How much did RIOT pay you Bill. Sell-out hack.


  Gregross111

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10/21/11 11:37:11 AM#56

mmorpg.com is all about main stream mega corps,  When smaller companies remake games that are already out or try to improve apon them mmorpg.com reviewers tell us these games are junk and that we should not play them.


 


we are the 99% 


  Gregross111

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10/21/11 11:39:18 AM#57

i got banned for discussing my discust with this website. but im back! 


  BizkitNL

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"Free to play, pay to win""

10/21/11 11:41:51 AM#58

Something tells me that this review was supposed to be called: Heroes of Newerth; "A Newbie's look into the game".

Then, it all makes sense.

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  Requiem6

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10/21/11 1:02:48 PM#59

In the end, who cares ?  Dota 2 >>>>>>>>>> HoN >>>>>>>>>>> LoL.

And, by alot.

 

But yeah, mmorp.comg are biased, Riot games like to pay, ALOT, for good reviews and publicity.

  Hardsun79

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1/10/12 2:52:36 PM#60

Ive played several years in DOTA, month or 2 in LoL, and playing HoN from beta


DOTA 2 in its current state is bad copy of HoN, honestly ... probably will be better then HoN later with polishing and improvments (less dinamic, wrong colors sets, still too little features HoN already has)


LoL is, imho, DOTA for dumb generation of 21st century with the generalg trend of being friendly to  ...err idiots ? :), i mean new players who being too lazy to learn anything. Much less dinamic compared to HoN (imagine Counter-Strike in slow motion :), color setting is eye killing.


Still i think LoL has some pros like original heroes with unique skills, ofthen not trying to copy DOTA blindly. And bigger number of heroes with intresting skill sets to choose from is BIG pros for any MOBA game.


I do agree with previous post that LoL got its succes from good advertising and F2P model from start. While i think HoN is much better gameplay-wise.


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