Originally posted by Xondar123

Originally posted by Puremallace

No negatives at all. I think a very glaring negative and this is going to get endlessly debated. Is this a single player rpg or mmorpg. Everything in this article and a few others is only about you and I have not heard one reviewer mention others players or how you interact with them.

 

Is that just a oversight because it is worrying alot of people?

It is most definately NOT single player, it most definitely IS an MMORPG.

The article mentions Flashpoints. These have to be played with a full team (4 players) and there are 15 of them in the game. Other articles mention "Heroic Quests" which are everywhere, from the starting planets on up, and these need at minimum 2 players to complete. Further, the very fact of the PvP means that a huge portion of the game is multi-player as you need to play with and against other players.

You can solo the game, but then you are going to be missing an absolutely huge amount of content. It's be like only playing a quarter of the game rather than the whole thing.

In fact, this game is so much an MMO that the reviews don't feel the need to mention the "single-player vs. MMO" question. It's simply a moot point and not worth discussing.

Anyone who claims this game is single player is either lying or completely ignorant of what this game is.

4 players  is a co-op...not an mmo.......................... You can get this stuff on console games.

If the only part of mmorpg in this game is just multiplayer online rpg (MORPG)... then this is why people don't see it as an MMO.

I don't know how big the fights or the instances can get, but there's more massively in Battlefield and Killzone....and old Resistance 1 and Resistance 2 had missions that had 30+ people in them for goodness sake.

I mean. I'm not trying to say the game is bad, just that for an mmo it offers less MM than console games do at the moment.  Until I gess the "end game territory control planet".

As long as you realize that having 4 players doesn't make your game massive (4 players in separate instances is just like playing a console game with 4 players in separte instance in a game where 100s of thousands maybe even millions are playing).

The game's probably really good on the story/KOTOR side of things, but I have yet to see anything MASSIVELY about the game. You can argue shops etc. or the social hub, which is nice, but still... group play is getting smaller and smaller. It'll be a party of 2 before long. 

Originally posted by jamigre

I'm a Sandbox guy through and through, {mod edit} and am really looking forward to playing it for a while. 

Finally, a comment from a person I can relate to who's tested the game.

I'm concerned about the lack of pvp; specifically, World PvP.

Thanks, sounds like it's worth the price of admission at least.

-CC

There is something seriously satisfying about pumping unrelenting high speed blaster bolts into some poor guy's chest and watching him convulse like Chunk doing the truffle-shuffle in The Goonies.

Mike you get for that alone

Umm  my eyes strain badly when have to read so much text.Why is there such a shortage of videos here,i would have loved to have seen a sort of Ripper X dialogue explaining a video of someone playing,in this case Mr.Bitton.He made it quite clear that he never wants to see another text box,but then we have to read paragraphs of text in this case ../sigh...please videos,it is much more compelling and exciting to watch a video.

oh well i'm sure someone will post a video on you tube or something.

Frankly, story carries this game, nothing more, nothing less. Everything else is mediocre. I'd say more, but my blog was already a victim of the NDA hammer.

If you're already predisposed toward starwars, you'll give the medocre a pass because it does a reasonable job at representing your favorite fictional environment. If you're not all in for starwars, it's still a passably good game until something with a bit more mechanical substance comes around.

Story aside, if you're looking for a WoW alternative, prepared to be disapointed.

Originally posted by Wizardry

Umm  my eyes strain badly when have to read so much text.Why is there such a shortage of videos here,i would have loved to have seen a sort of Ripper X dialogue explaining a video of someone playing,in this case Mr.Bitton.He made it quite clear that he never wants to see another text box,but then we have to read paragraphs of text in this case ../sigh...please videos,it is much more compelling and exciting to watch a video.

oh well i'm sure someone will post a video on you tube or something.

 

Video / screenshots were not allowed. Sorry!

Few things if I may:

1) Maybe but PvP it felt like reading a KOTOR III review, not a MMO review. Shall we assume KOTOR is a single player game in its core?

2) How about character body customization, gaphics, space combat, medium term replayability, UI customisation, inventory management, guilds mechanism, grouping and queuing mechanism for instances, travelling, space ships, housing, furnishing, gear dyes, crafting complexity, game balance?

3) How about time and money sinks, grind factor?

4) What's the feeling of being "required" to use companions in solo mode? Or is that a false perception?

If one doesn't think that this is an mmorpg, then I can't imagine that they think any themepark mmo is a mmorpg.  

can't wait to play my smuggler definitly is going to get slicing. think i'll give every class at try until lvl 10 at least

tjos game is going to be fun cause i want to be a jedi cause i played alot of jedi games like knights of the old republic 1 and 2 force unleashed 1 and 2 the older star wars jedi games for pc jedi outcast and jedi academy i am so ready for this game for the early game access full game and beta testing.

It's kind of funny how many people are excited for this game. I used to be one of them, until I realized I probably wasn't going to like this game. But, I have higher standards than most people I guess.

I wonder how many people will still be so excited to play this game a month after it's released? Half? A quarter? That first month falloff can be a killer. I still remember all the fanfare from previous big MMO releases, and how they all failed to deliver long term satisfaction.

Color me unimpressed.

Awsome, and thanks for the great read. I cant wait to play.

Originally posted by Biggus99

Originally posted by Xondar123

Originally posted by Puremallace

No negatives at all. I think a very glaring negative and this is going to get endlessly debated. Is this a single player rpg or mmorpg. Everything in this article and a few others is only about you and I have not heard one reviewer mention others players or how you interact with them.

 

Is that just a oversight because it is worrying alot of people?

It is most definately NOT single player, it most definitely IS an MMORPG.

The article mentions Flashpoints. These have to be played with a full team (4 players) and there are 15 of them in the game. Other articles mention "Heroic Quests" which are everywhere, from the starting planets on up, and these need at minimum 2 players to complete. Further, the very fact of the PvP means that a huge portion of the game is multi-player as you need to play with and against other players.

You can solo the game, but then you are going to be missing an absolutely huge amount of content. It's be like only playing a quarter of the game rather than the whole thing.

In fact, this game is so much an MMO that the reviews don't feel the need to mention the "single-player vs. MMO" question. It's simply a moot point and not worth discussing.

Anyone who claims this game is single player is either lying or completely ignorant of what this game is.

 

Not to mention, they encourage grouping because you get a chance for more social points by being in a group than you would solo.  

 

Yeah, but unless it's a group of 5180948204182421 players, some people don't consider it "Massive Multiplayer."

This is precicely why BW opened the NDA to press only, because of suck up writeups like this. You don't mention any of the things that are wrong with the game so you don't tick off BW and the readers are suckered into thinking the game is a gleaming subeam of love and butterflies.

Originally posted by Nirwyl

It's kind of funny how many people are excited for this game. I used to be one of them, until I realized I probably wasn't going to like this game. But, I have higher standards than most people I guess.

I wonder how many people will still be so excited to play this game a month after it's released? Half? A quarter? That first month falloff can be a killer. I still remember all the fanfare from previous big MMO releases, and how they all failed to deliver long term satisfaction.

Color me unimpressed.

 

Just because YOU don't like the game doesn't make you any more discerning than those that do.  It means you like a different style of game.  I'd imagine that you like some games I don't particularly care for, but I wouldn't be arrogant enough to suggest that I just have higher standards than you just because I don't like those games.  

You're clearly unimpressed, and for those of us who will be enjoying this game, we clearly don't care that you're unimpressed.  And to think this game will stop being enjoyable for half the population a month after launch is simply delusional.  

Originally posted by Warzod

This is precicely why BW opened the NDA to press only, because of suck up writeups like this. You don't mention any of the things that are wrong with the game so you don't tick off BW and the readers are suckered into thinking the game is a gleaming subeam of love and butterflies.

Or....maybe he likes the game and plans on playing it?  Nahhhhh, couldn't be that.  Must have been paid off by EA.

How much did Bioware pay this site? Nothing bad about it at all... there must be somthing.

Originally posted by Agricola1

I'm finding it difficult to put an opinion in words,

 

 

I didn't break the NDA did I?

LOL!

Thanks for the great article MikeB! Can't wait!

Originally posted by Ubudar

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It seems like trooper is a very popular class, IGN did the trooper impression first as well. I'll probably try all of them, since they all have different story?