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  Distopia

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"what a boring life, HATING everything" -Gorilla Biscuits

10/19/11 12:30:05 AM#221
Originally posted by noturpal

the only actual reason is "because it has to be."  

 

They coundl't wrap their minds around the fact anet can't make a great mmo.  In fact GW was mostly bad, ever since the first expansion gw was considred bad pvp.  Will GW2 be great pve, I bet it will.  Thats what they pushed and tried to perfect in GW w/o consideration to the pvp.  Thats why there is almost noone from the original team that left blizard.

 

GW2 will in fact on both the small scale(which they call structured to make it sound 1337), to the large scale, where they failed miserably in GW.

It will just another fantasy mmo, with big dragons.

 

If you ever played the tempest of set from AoC you will understand skills that have no target are actually EASIER to use that skills with a target.  The whole pvpness that was anet is gone and this is just another homogonized mmo cash grab, ala every expansion they put out.

 

It will fall flat on its head and the hype they keep putting out seems to tell the tale that they know it.

Do you have anything to back up what you're saying about PVP in GW1? Most I knew thought that was the games only redeemable quality and I'd agree. I'll have to admit I stopped playing after the second release and have only dabbled between Prophecies and it from time to time since.

However not once that I have went back has there been an issue of low PVP, and I'm talking about the first two releases here. If those lands/BG's are still occupied I find it hard to believe the later areas aren't. I'm sure the PVP is still booming there as well. Seems like a contradiction to my own eyes and ears here.

On top of that, if it's not obvious I frequent forums, not once have I seen anything that would back up what you're saying about the mass PVP exodus of GW1, that game has always been reported as healthy in terms of PVP.

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  Icewhite

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Pink, it's like red but not quite.

10/19/11 12:38:22 AM#222

Oh, just forget it.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  Distopia

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10/19/11 12:40:37 AM#223
Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by AKASlaphappy
Definition of CONSTRUCTIVE: promoting improvement or development <constructive criticism>

So the question is, does anyone in their right mind honestly believe that thread #3646893 on an almost identical topic "Why I Hate (Game X)" is the tiniest bit constructive in any fashion?

Why would you avoid posting in thread #3646892, and start a fresh thread?  Is it all just LOOK AT MEEEEE attention seeking?

"I want to fight; I think I'll post another anti-Game X thread, people will surely applaud my originality.".

Of course not, lol which might be why we're discussing something else entirely.

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

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  BlahTeeb

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Posts: 628

10/19/11 12:55:03 AM#224
Originally posted by noturpal

the only actual reason is "because it has to be."  

 

They coundl't wrap their minds around the fact anet can't make a great mmo.  In fact GW was mostly bad, ever since the first expansion gw was considred bad pvp.  Will GW2 be great pve, I bet it will.  Thats what they pushed and tried to perfect in GW w/o consideration to the pvp.  Thats why there is almost noone from the original team that left blizzard.

 

GW2 will in fact on both the small scale(which they call structured to make it sound 1337), to the large scale, where they failed miserably in GW.

It will just another fantasy mmo, with big dragons.

 

If you ever played the tempest of set from AoC you will understand skills that have no target are actually EASIER to use that skills with a target.  The whole pvpness that was anet is gone and this is just another homogonized mmo cash grab, ala every expansion they put out.

 

It will fall flat on its head and the hype they keep putting out seems to tell the tale that they know it.

It depends on how you define good and bad. Since everything is trivial and opinion based, we shall only only look at facts. GW1 has sold more copies than just about every other MMO besides WoW. Also, to be clear, compare how much GW1 sold compared to other non-MMO game is still incredibly impressive. The game was not perfect, but it wasn't "mostly bad."

They call it structured PvP as to not confuse it with open PvP. This is actually NOT a good thing in the eyes of a lot of players. A lot of players still want open PvP. ArenaNet don't want to advertise it as open PvP, and so "structured PvP" was born.

Skills with no target are easier to use, but a lot harder to use effectively. Spamming skills doesn't require skill. Therefore, it doesn't require skills to spam skills in GW2. However, hitting a target is a lot easier with a skill that aims as opposed to one that doesn't aim. Heard of aimbot? Makes the game easier, not harder.

The combat in GW2 does not rely on die rolls. The only thing left is the actual timing/targetting of the player. You HAVE to block to block and you HAVE to dodge to dodge. Gone are the casual abilities to buff your blocking rate.

Hmm... cash grab by expansions... WoW has a sub AND expansions. LOTRO had a sub AND expansions. Aion did it, Rift did... see my point? Virtually every AAA MMO has a sub, cash shop, AND expansions.

 

Seriously though, everything you stated is based on opinions. You may not like the direction that ArenaNet is headed, thats totally fine, but to say things like they are cash grabbing and that auto aim is harder than manual aim... it's rediculous.

  Requiamer

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10/19/11 1:33:03 AM#225



Originally posted by Distopia

No true world PVP, for those it bothers it is a justifiable critique. No mounts, instead instant teleporting, justifiable critique. No tanks, justified critique, no dedicated healers justifiable critique.

The thing is those stuff are justifiable for someone new to those features. I mean, for someone from the Wow generation its really justifiable to ask for old style world pvp, i mean its something they have no real experience after all. But for someone that played a lot of world pvp mmos from UO, shadowbane... to today, i think the Anet vision of world pvp not only make sense, but is actually an improvement from the more traditional world pvp, strange isn't it? I don't think they see it as a removal of those features, but rather an improvement. Those people might think not only that the Mist is still world pvp, but it might be better than the usual world pvp from the old school pvp mmo.
And i think its exactly the same for mounts and healer tbh. Yes not having mounts but port might be better too, i mean we will see ingame right. No dedicated healer, if you would have played a non trinity mmo, you would probably agree their combat is just superior, more interesting and dynamic, not even to talk about the fact you won't need to LFG anymore, and from balance point of view its really a world between them.
 
So what sound to be justifiable for some poeple might not be for others, it really depend on your experience here imo. In any case i think everything will be washed once you play the game at release, especially if those things are really improvements, rather than unjustifiable changes as you might think. If they are improvements, then playing in the mist not only will feel like world pvp, but feel as a good world pvp.

  User Deleted
10/19/11 1:50:35 AM#226

Ultimately.....I have won this thread because I decided not to post in it.......

wait......

 

damnit.

  KhinRunite

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Joined: 11/05/10
Posts: 897

10/19/11 1:58:39 AM#227
Originally posted by noturpal

the only actual reason is "because it has to be."  

 

They coundl't wrap their minds around the fact anet can't make a great mmo.  In fact GW was mostly bad, ever since the first expansion gw was considred bad pvp.  Will GW2 be great pve, I bet it will.  Thats what they pushed and tried to perfect in GW w/o consideration to the pvp.  Thats why there is almost noone from the original team that left blizzard.

 

GW2 will in fact on both the small scale(which they call structured to make it sound 1337), to the large scale, where they failed miserably in GW.

It will just another fantasy mmo, with big dragons.

 

If you ever played the tempest of set from AoC you will understand skills that have no target are actually EASIER to use that skills with a target.  The whole pvpness that was anet is gone and this is just another homogonized mmo cash grab, ala every expansion they put out.

 

It will fall flat on its head and the hype they keep putting out seems to tell the tale that they know it.

Now here's your equalizer for the "evangelists" :)

By the way, noturpal, everything you said is so tainted with personality that I won't bother dissecting and countering them. Afterall, there are more GW reviews that disproves your statement than those that support it!

  xKingdomx

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Joined: 8/24/10
Posts: 1550

10/19/11 5:55:10 AM#228

Because GW2 is the game that players deserve, but not what we need

 

Nah scrap that, we need that game.

 

More devs in the market is always a good thing.

More devs = More games

More games = More errors

More errors leads to eventual success

Therefore more devs = faster production towards eventual success.

 

GW2 can either be part of the devs that eventually leads to success

or

GW2 is part of that success

 

Either one is worth having faith in.

Because faith keeps us stong? HA Rift.

How much WoW could a WoWhater hate, if a WoWhater could hate WoW?
As much WoW as a WoWhater would, if a WoWhater could hate WoW.

  Banquetto

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Joined: 10/06/09
Posts: 1034

10/19/11 6:57:26 AM#229

The developers aspire to do something fresh and different with Guild Wars 2.

Most MMORPG developers have zero interest in that, hence we get new coats of paint on the same old same old, like Rift and SW:TOR.

Will they succeed? Maybe, maybe not. They might crash and burn. But the fact that at least they WANT to move the genre forward has guaranteed my interest.

  MagisterXII

Novice Member

Joined: 9/06/09
Posts: 7

10/19/11 6:39:11 PM#230

Why am I all over this game? Many people forget that this is a sequel. I enjoyed playing GW1 especially Factions and enjoyed the people I played it with. Guild Wars 2 was announced many years ago as a played previous Guild Wars games, but little information was given until not that long ago. So, I'm glad to see that they're putting so much effort into this game, the large amount of additions being brought in, and also the amount of improvements being done. Remember that quite a few Guild Wars games came before this and I'm glad to see Guild Wars continue and advance from what it once was. Looking forward to it.

  Aeander

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Joined: 7/15/11
Posts: 434

10/20/11 9:07:25 AM#231

I have faith in this game because I have faith in Arenanet. They are amazing developers with a supportive and creative staff, great customer service, and philosophies I can agree with.

 

Guild Wars was the  best game I have ever played, back in its day. It gave me more hours of enjoyment than any other MMO... or any other game, period. Over 4000 hours and many good memories.

 

Guild Wars 2 WILL be even better. This is a fact and a prophecy.

 

I'm happy for you, Blizzard,  and I'mma let you finish, but Anet are the best developers of all time. OF ALL TIME!

  MangaMaiden

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Joined: 2/06/11
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Would you destroy something perfect in order to make if beautiful?

10/20/11 9:11:52 AM#232

 I'm happy for you, Blizzard,  and I'mma let you finish, but Anet are the best developers of all time. OF ALL TIME!

Amen to that!

  User Deleted
10/20/11 9:24:35 AM#233
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Meowhead
Originally posted by Distopia

We're talking forum posters here, and the critique they offer, as well as the discussions that come from it. If it generates a good discussion it is constructive critique. This has nothing to do with what developers should do or how games should be made, it's about the act of discussing games.

Edit: as an aside, all critique is based on "personal preference"......

Actually, I would agree that sharing your opinions on a subject that is a matter of preference isn't really constructive criticism as such.

Sort of like seeing an orange and going 'I like apples'.  That's not exactly constructive.  IT's hardly even criticism, it's just stating one's preference.

... not that I think there's anything wrong with discussion of preferences!  I'm all for it.  In fact, I'm fine with people saying things like 'I dislike (insert design element of GW2) because I prefer (Insert alternative design element).  I'm personally willing to discuss such things with people, but maybe I'm crazy.

... but if somebody shows you a painting and you say 'Oh.  I don't like paintings of cars, I like paintings of airplanes', that is just a statement of preference in subject matter.  Of course, if the person says 'The problem with your painting of an airplane is it looks like a car', they probably don't really understand what's going on....

... constructive criticism would be more like 'There's too much negative space in this painting, it throws off the balance'.  :T

I completely disagree, that seems to be a play on semantics to me, a way to discount a topic of discussion.

If poster A says: I'm not really into the concept of GW2, I feel they should have designed world PVP differently. I'd prefer PVP that was server based. IE: My friends and enemies share an environment. This is a critique based on personal preference and it's stated in a way to promote constructive discussion in a forum envronment. As that's what we're trying to do here ( well most anyway)

They criticized the choice A-net made with their design and constructively offered what they'd rather see. That is constructive criticism.. The above could be taken straight out of a future review for GW2 which is nothing but a critique. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism

 

there you go, guys. knock yourselves out.

  pedrostrik

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10/20/11 10:23:53 AM#234

because all other mmo's out and some new incoming are booring to death

  Struggs

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10/20/11 10:26:44 AM#235


Originally posted by Aeander
I have faith in this game because I have faith in Arenanet. They are amazing developers with a supportive and creative staff, great customer service, and philosophies I can agree with.
 
Guild Wars was the  best game I have ever played, back in its day. It gave me more hours of enjoyment than any other MMO... or any other game, period. Over 4000 hours and many good memories.
 
Guild Wars 2 WILL be even better. This is a fact and a prophecy.
 
I'm happy for you, Blizzard,  and I'mma let you finish, but Anet are the best developers of all time. OF ALL TIME!

Nice reference at the end.

  Icewhite

Made History

Joined: 7/11/11
Posts: 6495

Pink, it's like red but not quite.

10/21/11 11:46:24 PM#236
Originally posted by MangaMaiden

 I'm happy for you, Blizzard,  and I'mma let you finish, but Anet are the best developers of all time. OF ALL TIME!

Amen to that!

Hmm, that's a little premature; let's wait until they actually get an MMO out.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  User Deleted
10/22/11 4:28:37 AM#237


Originally posted by MangaMaiden


 I'm happy for you, Blizzard,  and I'mma let you finish, but Anet are the best developers of all time. OF ALL TIME!


Amen to that!


AM2 says lol ok

  Man1ac

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10/22/11 8:42:46 AM#238

I think this thread has become retarded lol

We're all Geniuses. Most of us just don't know it.

  Onigod

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10/22/11 8:46:32 AM#239

@ topic tiitle

 

I dont

  Orious

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10/22/11 8:58:30 AM#240

It's a AAA dev making something the most dissimilar to WoW (well TSW as well) compared to everything else AAA devs are pushing out.

That and it's got no monthly cost.... people will buy it plainly because of this and people will not get any other mmos plainly because of this as well. 

 

 

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